Allen & page Fast Fibre..

I use it!!! My horses love it. Wouldn't say it's the best food for putting condition on as it's just a hay replacer really. If you want condition I recommend Bailey's outshine it is really good a bag costs about £32.00:eek: but you only need a mug full daily so lasts a long time:)
 
Our oldie's on it as he lost a bit of weight coming out of winter. He seems to like it and he's looking pretty good on it. It does need a heck of a lot of water with it though!
 
Hi I used it on my skinny and it did not help at all. I felt that i fed loads of it too. I was dissapointed though as my mare loved it. I gave up and put her on Top specc conditioning flakes we had a huge change in her within 2 weeks and did not make her fizzy at all. I fed that with chaff, did try alfa oil but she didnt like it, spillers herbal mix.

Topspecc was only £12.50 a bag
 
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PC Steele said:
I use it!!! My horses love it. Wouldn't say it's the best food for putting condition on as it's just a hay replacer really. If you want condition I recommend Bailey's outshine it is really good a bag costs about £32.00:eek: but you only need a mug full daily so lasts a long time:)
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Seconded, didn't make a blind bit of difference to J when he had it, Bailey's Outshine on the other hand did the job and is well worth the money.
 
I use it, for the good doers, it is one of the lowest energy feeds there is so it doesn't really help with condition except perhaps in those with very poor teeth who find it almost impossible to eat hay or grass. I really rate Top Spec cool condition cubes for weight gain, particularly if you don't want to feed cereal.
 
Sorry to semi hijack OPs post but I fancy trying it but need to make my breakfast feed up the night before. Does anyone soak it the night before for the day after?
 
It's a filler-upper. Good for keeping condition but not great for adding condition.

Edit for Louby, yes, I soak overnight and it swells up massively. I'm annoyed, as is my horse, if I forget as it then needs to be soaked in the morning and is a wet sloppy mess that she wipes all over me when she's finished.
 
Louby said:
Sorry to semi hijack OPs post but I fancy trying it but need to make my breakfast feed up the night before. Does anyone soak it the night before for the day after?
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THe girl next to me does this, and doesn't seem to have any problems.
 
I used it all winter on my cobby horses.....It was great as something 'different' to feed them in addition to their hay, which they were sick of eating at times I think!!!!

I was soaking a bucket full at a time, like sugar beet, which would be fine for 24hours....During the sub-zero weeks, I was soaking it at home with boiling water, so it was still warm when the horses ate it!!!....They seemed to like that, but maybe it was my imagination!!!
 
Calm and condition is good for condition, I find I can keep my horse absolutely spot on desired weight with it, if he gets a bit fat he gets more fast fibre and less C&C. My diet is based on fibre content . All these Allen & Page feeds are molasses and barley free.
My alternative is Speedy beet or Quick beet plus a small scoop of of alfalfa oil chaff and a tiny scoop of Mare and Youngstock. But for native ponies I find Fast Fibre ideal. I agree they like it warm in winter.
It only takes two minutes to soak, the time it takes me to walk to the stable. C&C takes five minutes.
 
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What's the difference/advantage between Fast Fibre and Speedibeet other than that FF can be fed straightaway?
 
I think that speedy beet with a few pony nuts is a good feed for natives but that I would want to add alfalfa chaff with oil and or minerals plus a bit of another feed for other types. SB is more a basis for a feed than a complete feed in itself. It does not need to be soaked for 24 hours, has no molasses and is a better balanced feed than Dried Molassed Sugar Beet Nuts (it is more expensive than DMSBN)
The webpage for speedy beet is pretty full of information, but to me if you want a complete feed, in one bag, then the Allen and Page feeds are designed for that. Fast Fibre looks to have grass in it, it is quite green, speedy beet is micronised ie cooked to allow minerals to be absorbed by the horse, I would imagine the FF and C&C are based on micronised s/beet but are more advanced in that the company are specialist horse feed company
 
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I think that speedy beet is a good feed for natives but that I would want to add alfalfa chaff with mineral plus a bit of another feed. It is more a basis for a feed than a complete feed in itself.
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I've never fed it as a complete feed :eek:! I add it to her chaff and balancer in the winter.
 
If you feed the recommended amount Fast Fibre contains all the vits and mins they need - A&P advised that for my 14.2 Welsh 1 kilo (dry weight) a day was sufficient. She's a fatty so in winter I deduct this from her hay rations. In summer she still gets it with Hi Fi Lite to top up her poor grazing. She has a shiny coat and is the picture of health. Love all the A&P feeds. For condition though I found their weight gain mix to be amazing - turned my very poor oldie (came like that) into a gleaming perfect weight.
 
martha said:
I've never fed it as a complete feed :eek:! I add it to her chaff and balancer in the winter.
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I like to feed three types of feed in one bucket, just in case I run out of one, so there is no abrupt change, but the Allen and Page feeds are all designed as a complete feed, which is ideal for a new owner and for a Yard Manager I know (who told me about it), with a lot of different horses, all she needs to do is feed a bit more or less of C&C to each horse or pony, so it makes for a very simple system.
My horse is kept off barley and molasses, due to fruit and nuttiness, but I can never be sure when I buy nuts what they have them in it. I like him to have a variety of foods, as they would have in nature.
I have seen kids feeding their ponies (in winter) on soaked molassed sugar beet pulp plus cheap molassed chaff, and a few pony nuts, to me this is not a balanced diet, too much molasses and not enough minerals, with sugar beet nuts there is a possibilty of not being fully soaked, or at this time of year, fermentation.
all in all I prefer to feed small feeds of high end products, but if I had a veteran who struggled with hay, then I would be looking for a cheaper diet based on fibre, and i would not be worried about molasses, so would probably base the diet on either Fast Fibre or sugar beet nuts plus vitamin and mineral plus chaff (the cheap stuff)
 
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