Allergic reaction to bute and danillon

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I have a friend who has had on many occasions her mare coming down with spots all over her body; mainly neck and sides. After a lot of cutting out various feed stuffs and anything she may have physically come into contact with she knows that the mare is allergic to bute in her feed.

She swapped to Danillon and again the same thing happened. She tested this theory out over a number of weeks gradually introducing danillon/bute into the diet when the spots had abated and three times the mare reacted to the point that there was no doubt that this is what was making her come up in lumps over her body.
She is now considering Metacam for her mare.

Does anyone else have a horse/pony allergic to danillon or bute?
What did you try as a substitute?
 
afaik Danilon is a phenylbutazone precursor, so it gets metabolised into bute - as such it makes sense that the mare would be allergic to both. I would definitely discuss with the vet as many other pain killers on the market.

Why does she need regular bute, or is this for in case of illness/injury?
 
Hi, think she needs it for a limb problem that was never actually resolved at the time but I don't know of the ins and outs. I don't believe she ever got a diagnosis.

She needs a very small amount every day. She is going to try Metacam. She's been on the forum before asking about her horses lumps and bumps before she knew that it was caused by bute and danillon.

I was just curious if anyone else suffered with this, it took a lot of guess work and I think it was very suprising to everyone to find that bute and danillon were the culprit.

Incidentally I did a search on the forum after I put this OP on and found a photo someone had put on an old post about their horse being allergic to bute and its as if I am looking at this very mare when she has an outbreak so I will tell my friend tonight. FYI here is the photo http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?641041-Bute-allergy&highlight=allergic+bute

Very interesting.

I think I know why you have replied to this thread Polar Skye and before we go any further I will just say now that this is not me writing for my own horse and disguising it as someone else's thank you.
 
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Wishful said:
Alternatives I've come across are finadyne and metacam. Think finadyne exists as a paste. Not sure what route metacam is available other then iv...
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Finadyne very easy to give as a paste. I recently had this for my pony after soft tissue injury and I think it can't be given long term. It's used as a treatment for muscular disorders, usually 3-5 days. Costs about £10+ (from vet) or £6 (online) per tube.

Here's an older thread on metacam: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?279182-Metacam-for-Horses

Hope you get it sorted!
 
Metacam comes in liquid form which has to be syringed, it is eyewateringly expensive, My horse had some this year and it cost £145 for 11 days supply if I am remembering correctly, can double check if you want to know for sure.
 
applecart14 said:
I think I know why you have replied to this thread Polar Skye and before we go any further I will just say now that this is not me writing for my own horse and disguising it as someone else's thank you.
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I replied because I agreed with GG - from what you had written it was perfectly clear to me that you were not talking about your own horse, but it was NOT perfectly clear whether or not the person you were writing about had consulted her vet about the reaction.

If I had something else to say, I would have said it - I have always been forthright and honest with you (not to mention polite).

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PolarSkye said:
I replied because I agreed with GG - from what you had written it was perfectly clear to me that you were not talking about your own horse, but it was NOT perfectly clear whether or not the person you were writing about had consulted her vet about the reaction.

If I had something else to say, I would have said it - I have always been forthright and honest with you (not to mention polite).

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Yes she has consulted her vet over both issue constantly and they have been working together to get a resolution to the problems.

I know you can't usually resist a chance to jump in and 'chastise me' about the care of my horse hence why I jumped to that conclusion. I am feeling very worn down by it all to be honest. Never again shall I be honest on this forum, I shall learn to keep my mouth shut which is what wise people do...
 
applecart14 said:
Yes she has consulted her vet over both issue constantly and they have been working together to get a resolution to the problems.
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Good to know - as per GG's question, what has vet said? Honestly, it's hard to know how to answer your original question without having all the information/facts.

I know you can't usually resist a chance to jump in and 'chastise me' about the care of my horse hence why I jumped to that conclusion. I am feeling very worn down by it all to be honest. Never again shall I be honest on this forum, I shall learn to keep my mouth shut which is what wise people do...
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If you feel "chastised" then that's really your interpretation - all I have ever done is express concern and sorrow over how you choose to manage your horse (competing him on bute) and explain WHY you have received some of the responses you have - I am, after all, not alone in how I feel about this issue. I have never suggested that you don't love Bailey - but I still stand by the above-stated opinion/view. Moreover, I have never been rude or nasty to you.

I wish you luck with your horse - really . . .

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PolarSkye said:
Good to know - as per GG's question, what has vet said? Honestly, it's hard to know how to answer your original question without having all the information/facts.



all I have ever done is express concern and sorrow over how you choose to manage your horse

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Hi PolarSkye The question as I remember was "has anyones horse/pony ever had an allergic reaction to bute/danilon".

As for your word sorrow - you should get a grip (polite request). If you had seen my horse at competitions and jumping at home previous to me putting him on buteless you would not have felt sorrow towards him. If the horse was in pain he wouldn't jump- believe me he has never been short on expressing his opinions on various things throughout his many years with me. Just because I chose to follow my vets suggestion for his stiffness by giving him half a sachet of bute prior to a competition anyone would think from your replies and that of others that I was a total bitch of an owner who thraped him round courses in order to win a rosette! In fact half the time we never get placed because I refuse to thrape him round as fast as the others, I am more delighted to get a double clear than get placed, and he nearly always gets a double clear these days - its very rare for him to have a fence down, in the last six outings (averaging 2 classes of single phase a time he has only had one fence down). Fair enough we only usually jump 2ft 6 - 2ft 9 since his injury a long time ago but even so. I only ever go for a fun day out with him, its never to win as some have suggested. He doesn't go out every weekend anymore either, its more like every second or third week, and then its not jumping every time, its fun rides more often or not in the summer.

You seem to have the impression he is some tucked up little lost soul stood head down at the back of his stable in agony dreading the day he goes competing, with me beating him to get him over the fences. ha ha. Whereas in actual fact he was always excited to go jumping, I never had to cajole him to jump, every single photo that has ever been taken of him shows his ears forward, with an eager and happy look on his face. Those that know my horse well and see me at comps would testify this. As soon as the top door of the trailer is open he's looking out in eagerness and when he hears the commentators voice he will often start scraping his foot on the trailer floor in anticipation of getting out there and doing 'his thing' which he totally adores. I keep him trim and as fit as I can (given my own physical problems) and he is grid work jumped once a week to keep those joints freed up and to detect any problems prior to a competition as I wouldn't attempt to take him if there were any problems.

The only time you ever see him miserable at an event is when the collecting ring is full of horses and he feels cramped and threatened with his space, then his ears come back and he wants to escape the claustrophobia and get into the main ring. This is usually by the second class, particularly if he is fed up as he's been there a few hours by this time. He has a net the whole time.

If he starts stopping at fences or knocking them down regularly then I will know something is up and get him re-examined by the vet and then perhaps it will be time to hang up his show jumping boots who knows. But whilst he loves his jumping he will be doing it.

Here is my 'sad hard done by horse'
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Here he is waiting to go on a ride 'tucked away all sad at the back of his stable'

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applecart14 said:
Hi PolarSkye The question as I remember was "has anyones horse/pony ever had an allergic reaction to bute/danilon".
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I responded to the original question - you chose to get snipey and drag this off topic.

As for your word sorrow - you should get a grip (polite request). If you had seen my horse at competitions and jumping at home previous to me putting him on buteless you would not have felt sorrow towards him. If the horse was in pain he wouldn't jump- believe me he has never been short on expressing his opinions on various things throughout his many years with me. Just because I chose to follow my vets suggestion for his stiffness by giving him half a sachet of bute prior to a competition anyone would think from your replies and that of others that I was a total bitch of an owner who thraped him round courses in order to win a rosette! In fact half the time we never get placed because I refuse to thrape him round as fast as the others, I am more delighted to get a double clear than get placed, and he nearly always gets a double clear these days - its very rare for him to have a fence down, in the last six outings (averaging 2 classes of single phase a time he has only had one fence down).

You seem to have the impression he is some tucked up little lost soul stood head down at the back of his stable in agony dreading the day he goes competing with me beating him to get him over the fences. ha ha. Whereas in actual fact he was always excited to go jumping, I never had to cajole him to jump, every single photo that has ever been taken of him shows his ears forward, with an eager and happy look on his face. Those that know my horse well and see me at comps would testify this. As soon as the top door is open he's looking out and when he hears the commentators voice he will often start scraping his foot on the trailer floor in anticipation of getting out.

The only time you ever see him miserable at an event is when the collecting ring is full of horses and he feels cramped and threatened with his space, then his ears come back and he wants to escape the claustrophobia and get into the main ring.

If he starts stopping at fences or knocking them down regularly then I will know something is up and get him re-examined by the vet and then perhaps it will be time to hang up his show jumping boots who knows. But whilst he loves his jumping he will be doing it.

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I could bute my own horse up enough to compete him and he'd bomb round very happily - but I won't, because I don't feel it's right (for all the reasons I have elucidated before). As I said, I stand behind my opinion.

Also, please don't put words in my mouth - I am sure Bailey looks a picture of health and I am sure he loves going to competitions . . . I've NEVER accused you of neglect. I have just (and I realize I am repeating myself, yet again) stated that I don't think it is ethical or fair to compete a horse on bute . . . not to your horse or to those against whom he is competing. It's really that simple. My horse is currently lame off bute. He is sound as a pound in the field. He would drag me up the ramp of the lorry. On bute, he would storm round a SJ-ing course and probably go clear. Off bute, you probably wouldn't see a problem as long as he stayed in canter or walk. Would he have a lovely time? Oh yes! Would I love to see him out and about again? You bet. Will I do it? Nope. Not in a month of Sundays.

I will never agree with your decision/choice to compete a horse requiring bute to look sound. End of.

I won't be responding further to this - I have made my feelings perfectly clear and I'm tired of explaining myself. Good luck with your horse.

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PolarSkye said:
I responded to the original question - you chose to get snipey and drag this off topic.

I have made my feelings perfectly clear and I'm tired of explaining myself. Good luck with your horse.

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That's good as I am tired of justifying myself too......very very very tired of it.
 
applecart14 said:
Oh go get lost you sad person.
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How polite! I have defended/supported you in other threads. Your attitude could do with some adjustment as if you respond like that to the people that are being honest, as much in your favour as not, I don't see how you are doing yourself or your horse any good.
 
In fact...I'm going to just put you on user ignore. You seem to enjoy being argumentative and accusing people of the same when they are just trying to be constructive. I wish you and your horse well.
 
Previcox is much much cheaper than Metacam and is good for arthritis and lameness problems. My horse is hypersensitive to most drugs - hers is immune mediated.
 
My mare was put on bute earlier in the year due to arthritis in her hind legs. Because she is such a fussy one she just wouldn't eat it, that and i didn't actually find it helped as much as i thought. I was advised to retire her in winter but decided to do this earlier as she got very uncomfortable after being ridden. I now have her on NoBute which i actually find is helping her more than the bute was.
 
Thanks everyone the horse in question is mine....today she has started on Metacam (very expensive...ouch!) as a last resort so would be interested to know more about what previcox is so will look that up. Getting a bit fed up of constantly hitting a brick wall with it all tbh :( We had just got her comfy on the danilon and was enjoying a little walk out down the lane on her 3 times a week when she suddenly became allergic...took us a while to figure it out. Vet said its pretty rare to be allergic to the actual drug that appears in both danilon and bute and normally if a horse was allergic to one it would be to the carrier that's in it not the drug itself.

Fingers crossed for the metacam....at the price it cost it better work!
 
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