'Alsatian Breed Campaign'

Thanks, everyone, for your advice. I'm just off the phone to the secretary of the "local" schuntzund club. Only 170 miles away! Who'd live in Scotland?:rolleyes:
 
There have also been a couple of token working dogs in the Sieger line ups as well, Timo Barrakesten (sp!!) who gave so much to the Nikonis kennel, Javir Talka Marda, just off the top of my head. There was a super grey dog this year but can't remember the name, think it was Bruno something.

Damn, I've got my geek on now, sorry!!

Dry Rot, if you want a few pointers shoot me a PM.
 
I'm sure there was a sable VA dog some time in the 80s but can't remember the name, over to you CC.
Dry Rot, long journeys are often the order of the day for IPO training, not just in Scotland. The owner of my pups sire travelled a similar distance every weekend when training him for his IPO 2, on one occasion getting up at 5 am to go training after travelling from the midlands to Scotland the previous day for a breed show. :p
 
Paint Me Proud said:
whilst i'm not a massive fan of the extreme slope of some GSD I can see how crafty handling and stances can make them look more extreme than they are.

Have you see these photos cavecanem? http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/Pietoro/Dog%20Breed%20Historical%20Pictures/German%20Shepherd/

There is so much progression of shape in the breed but if you look at the other photos this guy has uploaded it is exactly the same for every other breed going. They are all evolving over time. :)
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I do like the dog from 1938 and 1969 they are how I like my GSD to look big boned level backed with an alert expression but then I am old fashioned
 
Orno vom Murtal :p

He was in the top ten. He's in Brian Wootton's book.

Windandrain, they're not meant to be big-boned, they're not a giant breed.
Good choice in 1938, bred in Ireland, by a woman who worked her dogs to the gun and to cattle as well as campaigning show champions.


MurphysMinder, and him one of those breed dogs :p
 
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Maybe not but those two are beautiful dogs and as I would only ever want a pet one that looked like that with a superb temperament would be ideal for me
 
Sadly, it is not just the distance here in Scotland. To do a good job, I would need a good helper and, again, the nearest one would, I think, be 170 miles away. Someone more local might offer but I am not sure I would trust just anyone not properly qualified. The gentleman I spoke to tonight thought 6yo too old to train for sport anyway, so I would need to start with a pup.

I did suggest to the characters who turned up in a Transit pick up looking for scrap that they might help me out with training, but they haven't been back which I thought a bit selfish of them.:D:D:D
 
vieshot said:
I don't know anything about the breed but what is the purpose of slanted back?
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CC can give you a more comprehensive answer, but in short the GSD should be able to keep a sustained gait (trot) for a long time. The power comes from the rear end, hence a slight slope to the croup. It's more to do with bio mechanics that aesthetics (or at least, it would be in a perfect world).

If you meant a slant all along the back, that's generally due to being put into a show stance. Obvs as one back paw moves out and the other under, the hips are lowered. The same dog, assuming it's straight backed/not weak hocked etc., would look more 'level' if he was stood with all four paws square (but would still have a sloped croup, like a slightly rounded arse, basically).

Loki isn't the perfect model of a GSD, and these pics aren't great, but give a general idea.

Stood straight

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Not quite so level, but not as exaggerated as a full show stance

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I'm not an expert though, so hopefully CC or MM will be along to give you a fuller/better answer. :)
 
My opinion of the dog above would be too long from stifle to hock, and too deep through the chest making the dog look 'herring-gutted' and greyhound shaped. But really thats being over-critical, and PURELY my own opinion; This is, above all, a lovely picture of a nice dog in super condition enjoying the snow.
 
Vieshot, will refer you to earlier part of the breed standard, nowhere does it call for a slanted back, but a straight back (which is one part of the overall backline, not the entire length of the dog from withers to start of tail, leading to a gently sloping croup.
This is to facilitate the gait.

The extremities on all sides, sadly, are caused by trend/fashion.
 
stormox said:
My opinion of the dog above would be too long from stifle to hock, and too deep through the chest making the dog look 'herring-gutted' and greyhound shaped. But really thats being over-critical, and PURELY my own opinion; This is, above all, a lovely picture of a nice dog in super condition enjoying the snow.
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Pretty fair criticism IMO! Particularly the chest part, he's ridiculously deep chested. He's also too big, and a list of other faults.
 
LEGS!! He's like a flipping supermodel! Very shiny :D

Another thought that strikes me and an ironic one at that - breeding long, low, English types to the more athletic German types has actually produced some really quality animals in the past - there are still some older kennels like Norwulf and Shadowsquad (those are ones that spring to mind) that have retained their original dam lines and bred out to German dogs and have produced very nice middle of the road types.
While he was used probably far too much, the import Cito vom Konigsbruch in the 1980s, mated to old English types, produced very nice progeny.
 
Yeah, he's big, tall, and leggy with it :o Somebody gave me a very comprehensive but completely unasked for critique not so long ago, which was brutal enough that my brain has blocked out most of it, but I do remember him being described as "more newborn foal than shepherd" :o

I prefer the rather more affectionate term "donkey dog". :D:D

Do you mind me asking what the name of the dog was MM? I can spot one of Cito's daughters in the bitch line, but that's as far as my game of "find the dog" has gotten me so far!

Sorry for off-topic post. Not much to say about the "Alsation" split. I'm filing it into the same mental cupboard as "chastity belts for dogs".
 
Cheers MM, I'm a nosy beast so will look him up :) Bitch called Amulree Sindy was the one I came across on the bitch line.
 
Ah Sindy was a pretty little bitch, and a sable to boot. :D If you want to trace further back in his pedigree have a look on pedigree data base, you can usually follow lines quite a long way back.
Oh and I can sympathise with the leggy bit, Freya forgot to stop growing too (at 10 months she's bigger than her mother:p), as CC will no doubt agree having met her she too is a donkey dog.
 
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