Am I alone in this view?

[FieldOrnaments]

I must admit the aggression from some pro R+ people is really putting me off it.
There's more than one way to skin a cat; you can love, care for, want the best for, and make a positive difference to a horse with other methods too, it isn't and never will be one size fits all. Misapplied it could certainly cause a horse to go backwards as much as any other school of training.

 

[smolmaus]

I must admit the aggression from some pro R+ people is really putting me off it.
There's more than one way to skin a cat; you can love, care for, want the best for, and make a positive difference to a horse with other methods too, it isn't and never will be one size fits all. Misapplied it could certainly cause a horse to go backwards as much as any other school of training.

I know you mean specifically me. Everyone else has much more patience. But are you ignoring the people insinuating everyone who criticises SY has basically never touched a horse before or that despite a literal student of applied behavioural science giving us the benefit of their literal expertise, that we are all just throwing treats at horses and would be killed immediately if we tried training a difficult one?

This happens every time anyone mentions R+ (not mentioned by any of the people who advocate for it, in this thread. Brought up by a critic). If I allowed myself to be put off pressure-release by the behaviour of its advocates I would have burned all my headcollars and would be leading a pony past an open haylage bale with only the power of thoughts and prayers. Have a spine. Letting one slightly mean forum poster "put you off" learning about an entire quadrant of how all sentient creatures learn is pathetic.

 

[The Fuzzy Furry]

I know you mean specifically me. Everyone else has much more patience. But are you ignoring the people insinuating everyone who criticises SY has basically never touched a horse before or that despite a literal student of applied behavioural science giving us the benefit of their literal expertise, that we are all just throwing treats at horses and would be killed immediately if we tried training a difficult one?

This happens every time anyone mentions R+ (not mentioned by any of the people who advocate for it, in this thread. Brought up by a critic). If I allowed myself to be put off pressure-release by the behaviour of its advocates I would have burned all my headcollars and would be leading a pony past an open haylage bale with only the power of thoughts and prayers. Have a spine. Letting one slightly mean forum poster "put you off" learning about an entire quadrant of how all sentient creatures learn is pathetic.

Whoa, name calling isn't pleasant, please edit your last sentence.

 

[FieldOrnaments]

Wow

 

[FieldOrnaments]

Brb to shoot my horses because I don't use treats lol

 

[smolmaus]

Whoa, name calling isn't pleasant, please edit your last sentence.

No. I'm describing behaviour, not name calling. Report it if you need to.

Changing how you train your horses and what you learn about because a stranger on a forum is a bit bitchy about it is completely spineless.

 

[paddy555]

I know you mean specifically me. Everyone else has much more patience. But are you ignoring the people insinuating everyone who criticises SY has basically never touched a horse before or that despite a literal student of applied behavioural science giving us the benefit of their literal expertise, that we are all just throwing treats at horses and would be killed immediately if we tried training a difficult one?

a lot of people have not had to deal with the sorts of horses that SY is called out to. That is simply fact not criticism. If someone hasn't been put in that position their experience in dealing with such a horse is more limited and there really is the possibility they could get hurt. If someone has simply had relatively easy horses to deal with then SY's handling may look more extreme to them. OTOH is you are more familiar with the behaviour of the horses he visits then you can understand what he is doing and that he is using his expertise to try and resolve a situation.

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It would be nice if all horses were nice easy ones and he wasn't needed but sadly unfortunate things happen to horses and they are left in a difficult situation. If SY can spend 2 hours making that horse's and owner's life better with a way forward then I cannot see a problem.

This happens every time anyone mentions R+ (not mentioned by any of the people who advocate for it, in this thread. Brought up by a critic). If I allowed myself to be put off pressure-release by the behaviour of its advocates I would have burned all my headcollars and would be leading a pony past an open haylage bale with only the power of thoughts and prayers. Have a spine. Letting one slightly mean forum poster "put you off" learning about an entire quadrant of how all sentient creatures learn is pathetic.

I really don't think forum posters are going to be put off learning about a method if they are interested. I have spent a lot of time today reading about R+ (for want of a better word to describe it) and watched some Utube videos. I am unconvinced that in the video I posted that it would work nor that it would be in the horse's best interests in sorting it's immediate problems nor that it would be safe in that confined space. As far as treats go the horse has already been over treated and is ruling the roost over treats.

I don't understand your comment of leading past a haylage bale with only the power of thoughts and prayers. Why wouldn't it and I don't get where pressure/release comes into your point. Sorry bit lost on what you mean.

 

[PurpleSpots]

a lot of people have not had to deal with the sorts of horses that SY is called out to.

But many of us have - and 'worse'.

 

[smolmaus]

I really don't think forum posters are going to be put off learning about a method if they are interested. I have spent a lot of time today reading about R+ (for want of a better word to describe it) and watched some Utube videos. I am unconvinced that in the video I posted that it would work nor that it would be in the horse's best interests in sorting it's immediate problems nor that it would be safe in that confined space. As far as treats go the horse has already been over treated and is ruling the roost over treats.

I don't understand your comment of leading past a haylage bale with only the power of thoughts and prayers. Why wouldn't it and I don't get where pressure/release comes into your point. Sorry bit lost on what you mean.

You also say this every time R+ is mentioned, almost verbatim, which is why I usually have you on user ignore but I do want to point out for everyone else that this is a script. I don't think I believe it is true, certainly not every time (unless you have significant issues with short term memory, in which case I apologise.) Luckily, a scientific principle of learning doesn't need you to be convinced to be evidenced!

I'm lost by what you mean that the horse is "ruling the roost over treats" can you explain? Without using outdated and disproved theories of dominance please. If anyone talks to me about dominance I'm afraid I will have to never listen to a thing they say about anything ever again.