Am I right or wrong?..

Mrs. Jingle said:
The mystery deepens, I have tracked down the last owner. I probably will now leave this here for the OP to comment as I have seen all I need to see so that I can now feel confident I have enough facts to answer OP's original question on this thread. In my humble opinion OP, you are very wrong, very wrong indeed. :rolleyes:
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How did you manage that ? Good detective work 😀
 
IrishMilo said:
The horse's ridden history wasn't under scrutiny so I have no idea why any of that was brought up, it was irrelevant to the topic.
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Actually it was very relevant as the horse was advertised 2 weeks prior as riding and ready to go with an all bells and whistles advert for a very nice sort that had extensive experience showing and great movement that could possibly make a great dressage horse as has his dam. The advert that the seller chose to highlight on here was very different indeed from the earlier one. OP was trying to gender total support for her decision not to refund or take back horse or offer assistance with vet fees based on the buyer buying off that second very brief advert and having (apparently) discovered two areas of irregular skin that buyer had agreed were not an issue on viewing.

Based on the facts that seller gave us in her first post it would seem a fairly straightforward that she does not feel she has any obligation to allow return or refund based on an worthless receipt stating sold as seen, no returns etc. Worthless of course as any professional seller would know, in law seller is obliged to accept return of the horse within the 28 day time frame without loss to the buyer.

Naturally some of us did not immediately take the dealer's post at face value and investigated further if there was more to this 'honest and professional' sale that we were not made aware of by the dealer. There was indeed a lot more to the sale of this particular horse, that had gone from a much sought after useful type of good looking and easy going youngster with a promising future worth a very good price in the existing market, that suddenly morphed within a two week time frame, into a project sold from the field at a give away dealers basic price and any buyers would not even be allowed to ride the said broken and hacking out youngster at viewing.

My apologies if anyone feels that the above was irrelevant to answering the dealer's question on this thread. I think it is very relevant and obviously raises many questions why we were not given full information by seller to enable us to give her a fair and honest answer. This forum generally speaking is not stupid and has many people far more experienced and capable than I am or ever was, however, I am not an idiot and resent hugely being treated as one, especially by someone who tells the equine world repeatedly how honest, nice and a caring professional they are. If someone tells you repeatedly how wonderful they are, very often they aren't, and further research will illustrate that they sometimes fall short of their own hype and it gets a tad irritating to say the least.
 
IrishMilo said:
So, again: how does the horse's ridden history have any bearing on whether or not the dealer should pay for it's supposed sarcoid treatment?
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it doesn't as such if that was the one line question the opening post ie I'm a dealer, noticed elbow rubs when buyer visited, pointed out, horse sold regardless now buyers vet has diagnosed sarcoids and buyer wants vet's bllls paid. Answer would be no don't pay the bills just take the horse back. Problem solved.

Dealer not willing to take back so then people started looking to find more info about the horse and the distorted adverts came up and many had bought horses with problems and knew how to read for sale adverts. So the question as to honesty about the riding part came into it, dealer dragged the old owner in about the sarcoids, why I don't know it was up to her to check the horse before she bought it. So once one finds one chink in the armour then one starts questioning other points especially as the dealer left the thread days ago. Surprising that.

not sure how Mrs J found the old owner but I would suggest from her guarded comments that there may have been more to this story.

basically if you ask a question on a horse forum with a lot of very experience people you are going to find they study the question carefully and request more info to give an accurate and complete answer. I don't think HHO is the place for just yes or no answers.
 
I replied to the OP with the version of events they posted in their first comment, where they stated they were trustworthy and professional.

If I was aware of the 2 very different adverts for this horse I wouldn’t have commented as I don’t feel I have enough knowledge to give an opinion with the added information.

I don’t want to give poor advice on subjects I don’t actually know about which I feel I now did with the digging HHO’ers have done.
 
Mrs. Jingle said:
Based on the facts that seller gave us in her first post it would seem a fairly straightforward that she does not feel she has any obligation to allow return or refund based on an worthless receipt stating sold as seen, no returns etc. Worthless of course as any professional seller would know, in law seller is obliged to accept return of the horse within the 28 day time frame without loss to the buyer.
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Also relevant that this dealer has form for this, including previously trying to get a buyer who wanted to return a horse that decked her child twice to sign a document stating that the child fell on their own and not that the pony ran off with her and bucked her off.
IrishMilo said:
o, again: how does the horse's ridden history have any bearing on whether or not the dealer should pay for it's supposed sarcoid treatment?
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Nobody has advised the dealer to pay for treatment. Most people have said that she should take the horse back and refund the buyer or ask for a vet report. The differing adverts suggest that there is something else going on with the horse as to why it is now unable to be ridden before purchase when it was previously fine including for hacking out. This is very unusual at a dealer - including at this dealer. The dealer also has a previous history of refusing refunds to disgruntled customers. This brings into question the dealers opinion of herself that she is honest. She's been in business long enough to find out what the law is as relating to her long term business activities. Her previous antics don't show her in a good light even if you only read what she writes herself as an excuse not to give a refund. If she didn't want people to look into her background she shouldn't have used an identifiable user ID.
 
To be honest it was the OP's continuing insistence that she was right and we must all be wrong and we should agree and side with her that had my 💩 antennae on full alert and had me scurrying off to dig a little deeper. As we all know you post at your own risk on social media and be very cautious because all content can come back to bite you at a later date.

Incidentally there is another for sale advert for the same horse with another glowing description and backed and ridden out as long ago as October 24 from the owner, which in itself is of very little significance. But it does make one question why such a beautiful and promising youngster from an excellent home has dropped down the ranks to a dealer's bargain basement out of the field quick sale, and said dealer has said themselves they definitely do not want the poor horse back for any reason. Anyone else starting to feel a bit sorry for this youngster? Because I am for sure, hopefully it has a long life ahead of it, lets hope it doesn't spend those years being hawked about from pillar to post. All very unsettling IMHO.
 
Mollysmum said:
Sounds very much like a situation I was in. To protect your reputation just buy the horse back providing the horse is in the same condition that it left you. Mine came from a “reputable dealer “ with 7 sarcoids which said dealer stated they weren’t there when they left her yard. Now I’m no expert but I do know they take longer than 24 hours to appear. I did get my money back but it was a long drawn out stressful process.
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Also a very sad and disappointing situation when you have to send a horse back, I've been there sadly 😥
 
IrishMilo said:
So, again: how does the horse's ridden history have any bearing on whether or not the dealer should pay for it's supposed sarcoid treatment?
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But... but-but-but...

It's only the seller saying that. What does the buyer want? I have to say that I didn't trust the seller's word from the start. However I thought I was being a suspicious sort and admired posters who were taking her at her word.
 
Ultimately it is between the buyer and the seller to sort things out and I doubt either of them will be along to update a bunch of internet randoms, but you never know. If they do, I really hope it's a positive result for the horse.

The one thing that this thread highlights (along with too many others) is the effect the dishonesty in horse dealing has on the poor horses involved. They don't ask for this and are the ones more likely to end up in a bad place as a result.
 
Beausmate said:
Ultimately it is between the buyer and the seller to sort things out and I doubt either of them will be along to update a bunch of internet randoms, but you never know. If they do, I really hope it's a positive result for the horse.

The one thing that this thread highlights (along with too many others) is the effect the dishonesty in horse dealing has on the poor horses involved. They don't ask for this and are the ones more likely to end up in a bad place as a result.
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the poor horse is the victim every time sadly when a dodgy dealer is involved. I was terribly upset when I sent the horse that the dodgy scottish dealer sold me back and then heard that he had gone straight on the boat that night to Ireland and was put through the Goresbridge sales only to come back over to England to another dodgy dealer and start the whole dreadful business again. 😥
 
onemoretime said:
the poor horse is the victim every time sadly when a dodgy dealer is involved. I was terribly upset when I sent the horse that the dodgy scottish dealer sold me back and then heard that he had gone straight on the boat that night to Ireland and was put through the Goresbridge sales only to come back over to England to another dodgy dealer and start the whole dreadful business again. 😥
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Agreed. And that pony of Larkrise's really did look gorgeous and it would have been nice if he'd been advertised correctly and attracted the sort of buyer who could handle whatever ways about him that he might have.
 
Mrs. Jingle said:
Well I would question if the OP's original post would have got quite the same response on here if they had honestly disclosed two very, very different sale adverts within a two week period and the reason for that?
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Hello Mrs. Jingle - you seem like a very educated, reasonable sort. I'm a little late to the party, but a contact sent me this thread. I am the buyer of the horse. I'd be happy to tell you my story but I don't know how to get directly in touch. (I'd prefer not to post publicly here.)
 
paddy555 said:
OTOH how do we know that the buyer isn't actually reading this thread. They may be getting bits of info and viewpoints that they didn't have previously. Also an insight into the dealer.

I did wonder if this thread was a wind up of some sort, but then I looked up the dealer and they had a website so I'm not sure why they would want to publicise this. Either take it back or go to court, you don't need to tell the horse world. Someone on here will be on dodgy dealers, I'm sure they will shortly be a link to this thread if there isn't one already. OP was last on here late yesterday pm. If this horse was sold to someone geographically close to the dealer someone on here is bound to live there and either know the full story or be asking questions

don't really get it but getting curious why tarnish your reputation as you undoubtedly have done?



a group of people who must be well known for checking every inch of someone's story as they have here? I think I would have chosen somewhere without so many amateur detectives. :D:D:D:D
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Lucky you - she has found this thread. ;)
 
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