Am I way out on price? Why have I not had much interest in my schoolmaster?

People are not selling their sound horses let alone lame horses - and I'm sorry but DJD is a lameness and it will only get worse and not better.
Dont forget too that you can't keep medicating joints and 3 is normally your lot.
If he has been a good servant who is coming to the end of his competative life then why not loan or lease him instead?
 
I reckon a decent run at xc and you will have a queue of people. At the moment his record looks dodgy and you just need to prove he is sound again, in which case he is a bargain.
 
BEUnderTheInfluence said:
Too expensive?

Are you guys for real?



Not a clue why people are saying too expensive! C'mon people....
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Perhaps because he hasn't sold yet and the OP is asking why, its a very good indicator of whether it is to expensive ,its OK everybody saying its about right or cheap but your not putting your hands in your pockets.The bottom has dropped out of the market for this type (and with issues) because the parents buying for Juniors have not got the spare cash for this type of horse who looking realistically has 1 season maybe being competitive left and has no value after that.He will be 16 in January and you will not even be able to cover your investment with insurance realistically.
 
I would lease him for long term!! Would love a horse to show me the ropes at BE Novice. :D

Can't afford to buy a horse but I think his price is very reasonable.

As others have said, horses just aren't selling at the moment. Hope you find a good home soon - he sounds lovely.
 
I think he is very good value for money. Had he been for sale earlier this year when I was looking, I'd have been over to try him like a shot. I might not be good enough for him, but by golly I'd have loved to have something that could safely convey me round the lower levels. And I've had vet problems with every horse I've EVER had (*although touch wood Bill hasn't gone wrong yet*), even though every single one passed 5-stage vetting with flying colours, so something that can be managed with medication wouldn't out me off necessarily.

Seriously, there are people like me out there. I just can't afford 2 :( (well, I can, but my OH would kill me). Although, even my OH likes the sound of him (I was trying to tempt him last night ;)).

I think a recent run with a positive finish is a good thing for his record (it does look a bit suspect recently to the casual observer). But I think the time of year is against you.
 
If I had space I would have your hand off for him, he's so lovely. I do think the advice of getting him another run is good, just to prove the problem was his hocks.

Its a bad time of year to sell and the market is terrible so it may take a bit longer to sell him.

I do think he is maybe a little overpriced due to his age and the medicating needed.

Someone on my yard has just sold their 14yr old grade a with djd for 3500 he was on the Market for 6 weeks before he went.

Good luck, I really hope te perfect person snaps him up soon
 
You can downgrade now for RC, you have to write to BrC and make a compelling case for downgrading. With OP's horse's fairly current record at N level, you'd probably have to rely on the rider being pretty inexperienced. They will downgrade a horse with points from years ago (friend has a horse that went to 2* but that was 8 years ago and she suffered a serious injury and hasn't eventer since, they have let her downgrade to 0 points for RC. Otherwise I think a more experienced horse with a novice rider can be downgraded.
 
To be honest I think he is over priced(I know not popular!) . Although a schoolmaster is worth its weight in gold, they also need to be sound. I know he is at the moment but at the end of the day, his condition is degenerative and there is a strong reason to believe that he will have issues again. That along with the issue of insurance would put a lot of people off. Sorry.
To put it into perspective, I bought a three star, 15 yr old a couple of years ago, he also had won 1.40 classes sj and was being placed at advanced medium, he had his fetlocks treated so I was taking a risk. I paid £400 for him. He was a bit quirky but a Fab schoolmaster.
 
I sold a 15yr old that had done up to IN for £4k a couple of years ago.

BUT that was at the start of the season and he was fit and ready to go.

At this stage someone would buy and then have the winter to get to know him, however he would then be 16 before they evented him. That may put some people off.

I agree his recent record (On paper) does not help.

I think it is just a case of be patient.
 
wonkey_donkey said:
People are not selling their sound horses let alone lame horses - and I'm sorry but DJD is a lameness and it will only get worse and not better.
Dont forget too that you can't keep medicating joints and 3 is normally your lot.
If he has been a good servant who is coming to the end of his competative life then why not loan or lease him instead?
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I think it depends what you medicate the joints with - if it is a steroid, then you are correct that you cannot keep medicating them. However, if you use something like Hylauric acid then you can keep medicating as long as you like.

I agree with many of the above - price seems very fair especially if you can get another good run under his belt. It just seems that it is a really bad time for selling at the moment.
 
Sorry if I say what others have but have only scanned all the thread to far...........

looking at his ad - maybe would be worth changing who the ad is targeted at.... prehaps saying he would make ideal riding club horse / PN level schoolmaster and would give an some1 at that level alot of confidence and fun. At a lower level then the vet issues are less of a concern and age doesnt tend to go against as much IMO.

I think also dropping price will help as it is going into winter, the market tends to flood at this time of the year with horses due to people going to university so its really a buyers one.
From having a scan of H&H horses for sale yesterday when bored at work...... horse prices are pretty low atm. I think loaning is also a good option as others have suggested - on loan with view to buy over winter would be good then potential buyers can see that the vet issues are major and you dont have the cost of keeping over the winter.
 
Sorry to say this but the market will tell you whether he is overpriced or not. At the moment, he is not selling therefore he is overpriced.

The question is how soon you need him to go. Bearing in mind the cost of keeping a horse over the winter, you might want to consider dropping the price so he sells beforehand. Otherwise if you are not desperate for him to go, you could hang on and see if the market picks up especially if you manage to get a couple of decent runs under his belt.

But its like trying to sell anything, houses, cars, horses - something is only worth the price that someone else will pay for it - not some theoretical figure. It doesn't mean you have to sell him at a low price but you just need to be realistic. I'd also go with those who have suggested a loan or lease as an option.

Good luck.
 
If I had the money and time I'd have him in an instant. But for lower level things as others have said, RC most likely. But for a schoolmaster who is likely going to be at lower levels, no matter how much you push wanting him to continue at intermediate, I do think he's a bit overpriced. If he was a little younger and/or didn't have DJD then that price would be fine, even cheap, but you have to consider that people will have to continue to pay to medicate him which will decrease their budget in buying a horse. He is just the type I'd like, something to teach me and take me round some lower level things and gain experience with.
 
This is probably the only time I'll ever agree with Susie T in the history of this board but I'm afraid I think he is overpriced too.
A horse that needs medicating is basically an unsound horse without it, so he's worth very little.
Add his age and the fact any problems will likely now get worse not better, and he's not an attractive buy.
I am so sorry I would love to say differently, but his real value is probably something around the £3k mark purely as a schoolmaster for a PClubber.
 
At the start of this year we struggled to find a loan home for a 16 year old advanced horse that my OH had been doing ON on. He had never had a XC jumping penalty in his whole career. We had had him on loan and no longer wanted him as OH was giving up, the owners offered us him for £5k and we both laughed!

Sorry but he's over priced. You can get a very nice youngster for £5k.

Agree that schoolmasters are a different market but if you assume he has 2 seasons left in him, that's £200 per month. You could lease a good horse for that and not have the vet issue to deal with.
 
Have a look on horsequest under schoolmasters, you can get younger horses without medical issues for that kind of money.
Yes as previously said they haven't done 2* but he is not doing 2* now so what he has done in the past is irrelevant really. They are doing pn some capable of novice, which is as high as most people looking at an aged schoolmaster want to go.
The people saying on this thread I'd have him if I had the money....... Well thats just it really, the audience who'd like him haven't got the money. I'll be looking begining of next year for a younger schoolmaster type doing the level that I'd feel your taget audience for this horse will be when it's 16, 17 PN, RC. And my max budget will be that, but I'd want it to be a sound for £5k and younger.
 
Sorry I think he's over priced.

A old livery sold their horse which has very similar issues to yours and was competing at novice BE too, he was 14 and they sold for £1500 Inc tack, was up for 6months as well. I must add that he wasn't a looker and his joints were treated with h/acid,

But they needed to sell and had to drop the price.
 
Too be totally honest if it were the other way around and someone was posting saying they had been to see a 15yr old was a lovely horse really clicked with him had done all this eventing etc but he had DJD in hock and fetlocks.

We would all be telling them to run for the hills and find something else

I honestly wouldn't even consider a horse like this for general RC. I'm really sorry!

I know a couple that have had similar issue and thought they were controlled and 12 months later completely broken
 
do you need the money? If not then I think that the best bet would be to loan him, if you do then readvertise at a cheaper rate. I phoned up about an 8 yr old (its in last weeks H &H) who has 36 BE points and competed at 2*, he was £5k ono. I'm afraid its the market,
 
soulfull said:
Too be totally honest if it were the other way around and someone was posting saying they had been to see a 15yr old was a lovely horse really clicked with him had done all this eventing etc but he had DJD in hock and fetlocks.

We would all be telling them to run for the hills and find something else

I honestly wouldn't even consider a horse like this for general RC. I'm really sorry!

I know a couple that have had similar issue and thought they were controlled and 12 months later completely broken
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I have to say though, anyone who puts any stock in what HHO thinks about the value of a horse and whether or not you should buy it is barking mad.

As far as I can tell, people seem to think an advanced horse should be £2.50 if they are buying it and a green, ill-mannered, off the track TB should be £8K if they are selling it.

OP in your shoes I'd get a couple more runs, offer him LWVTB as well if you can bear to, and then drop the price if you get nowhere. If someone gets two seasons experience at Intermediate on him, then I do think he is worth the money. If he breaks tomorrow then you've lost it, sure, but any horse can break tomorrow.....they are all a risk and a money black hole.
 
I have been looking at horses for friends and I would love to know where these nice youngsters for £5k are! I am just seeing rubbish at the moment despite having a budget of £8k.

Personally Op I also do not think he is ridiculously overpriced. In the USA horses like him are worth a fortune and they do not seem to have the issues about medicating. You can always put negotiable on the price. In fact two friends have just sold their horses to the USA. One was through an agent so this might be a direction to look at.

He is better than a RC horse and I think you need to push how easy he is and how he has built your confidence etc. I do think a couple of runs under his belt will help and maybe get him hunting once as this will also help.
 
I'm currently looking for something similar to him to introduce me to eventing as I had the news on Tuesday that my own similarly aged but not quite as talented big mare has a problem which explains the issues we have been having and means retiring her sooner rather than later. I never got a chance to event as a teen and need to get on and do it before I'm too old.

So, I'm in the market, I have the facilities, I have the cash, I would be looking to give any older horse a long term home with my collection of oldies (I must be mad) but I'm very sorry, whilst I am looking at horses of his age for that money, and I would even consider one with known treated problems, I wouldn't consider consider paying that money for one with those problems. Looking at his record he looks like a horse that's been great, but now needs to have an easier life, which is what I'm looking for. There's nothing on paper to suggest he is going to go back out and get any more points so I fear that either you need to get him back out at a reasonable level to keep his price realistic or you need to sell him as what he looks like on paper, that depends on how quickly you need to sell and how much you need the cash.

I hope you find him a lovely home.
 
SpottedCat said:
I have to say though, anyone who puts any stock in what HHO thinks about the value of a horse and whether or not you should buy it is barking mad.



OP in your shoes I'd get a couple more runs, offer him LWVTB as well if you can bear to, and then drop the price if you get nowhere. If someone gets two seasons experience at Intermediate on him, then I do think he is worth the money. If he breaks tomorrow then you've lost it, sure, but any horse can break tomorrow.....they are all a risk and a money black hole.
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I also agree with this.
If you can get him competing again showing that he can stand up to it then that would be totally different. but if I looked at the add I would suspect that the owner was uncertain as to whether he could and didn't want to risk breaking him before selling him

When you have done this then I would say he is surely worth what you are asking but at the moment as far as a buyer is concerned he could break down first time out
 
I've entered him for Bishop Burton Novice HC with a friend on board, and will enter him for Oasby, either ON or Int once my friend has had chance to sit on him, and see how she gets on with him, and if he sells in the meantime brilliant! I'm not desperate to sell, so don't need to drop the price down to nothing just to get him off my hands, but at the same time, having had a loan go completely wrong and end up in court I am not going anywhere near the loaning route again, even if it LWVTB. Once bitten, twice shy and all that!
 
charlimouse said:
I've entered him for Bishop Burton Novice HC with a friend on board, and will enter him for Oasby, either ON or Int once my friend has had chance to sit on him, and see how she gets on with him, and if he sells in the meantime brilliant! I'm not desperate to sell, so don't need to drop the price down to nothing just to get him off my hands, but at the same time, having had a loan go completely wrong and end up in court I am not going anywhere near the loaning route again, even if it LWVTB. Once bitten, twice shy and all that!
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fantastic just by completing the events it will make a massive difference and if I were looking for one would definitely be interested then

wish you luck finding a perfect home for him

when he has done these try advertising on PC website, I think he would appeal there
 
OP imho I think he looks a cracking schoolmaster type and just the ticket for someone to get great experience at BE. What a super horse and nice to see consistent dressage scores on his record. Don't think he is too expensive tbh and I don't think 15 is past it by any means (I event an 18 yo who thrives on his work!), I just think it will take that one, right person to come along. Selling horses is so fickle - best of luck!
 
I think this is the type of horse whereby you need the right people to come along at the right time, and I think you will massively help this by getting some current runs/form on his record.

For many many people 5K is a lot of money to spend on a horse, it clears out their savings and as such they want to have every chance of a sound horse. Unfortunately buying yours would be too big a risk. I think this would rule out the vast majority of RC/Intro/PN people at 5K. They may take a punt on 2-3K.

However, there are a smaller number of people out there, particularly wealthy parents of aspiring younger riders, who appreciate that a good schoolmaster is a rare find and they would spend 5K on something a little risky if it meant their child could have a season or two on a safe experienced horse at N/I. These sorts of parents are practical and see the longer term benefit, however they do need to be relatively confident said horse hasn't jacked it in or is in need of an Intro/PN home.

Good luck, I hope you find him the right home.
 
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