Am I wrong to be annoyed?

[dianchi]

Ok I have my two girls on DIY livery, I'm very lucky I have my own field for them and my filly is rising two.
My filly has been through alot and is super to handle and isn't bothered by much-very pleased about that.

However today in the yucky rain I bought them in together as usual walking across the yard when little one stops- I turn round and one of the dippy liveries has let her dog off the lead and its hanging off my 2yo tail!!!!!!!

Luckily she didn't kick or leg it she just stopped in shock.

Dippy livery appears and half hearted calls the dog, dog ignores her and is now running circles round me and my two horses.

Again luckily my two just stand there mildly annoyed at still getting wet but no real fuss. She grabs hold of dog doesn't tell it off, or apologise!

So I point out that perhaps she should keep said dog on a lead as she has been really lucky that the dog hasn't just been injured, still no apology but says the dog is better behaved that previously been!?!

She seems to be oblivious to the danger and no apology, I would have been mortified if a dog of mine had behaved like that. Clearly I'm not going to get an apology but am I right to be annoyed? Starting to wonder if I'm going mad!

 

[LucyAmelia]

Thats ridiculous does she not realise how dangerous that could have been for her dog?! And not to mention how inconsiderate she was towards you, not even an apology! I would be annoyed too!

 

[EllenJay]

Annoyed at what? Good training for your youngster, she obviously wasn't worried or reacted so not sure what YOU are worrying about

 

[mightymammoth]

I would also be very annoyed, what if had of caused your horse's to bolt/rear etc with you on the end of the lead rope or your horse could have kicked out and killed the dog outright.

I love having dog's/chickens etc on the yard as it's good for them to be exposed to them but that is just dangerous.

 

[eggs]

No, you are definitely not going mad. I think you would have been within your rights tho to be mad at the dippy livery!

Years ago I was at a livery yard and the YO used to let her dog chase the horses in the field. Sadly it wasn't a surprise when the poor dog got kicked and killed.

 

[AmyMay]

It's a dog. C'mon......

 

[JFTDWS]

Annoyed at what? Good training for your youngster, she obviously wasn't worried or reacted so not sure what YOU are worrying about

Ah c'mon, yes it's great training while the horses aren't phased by it, but it's a short step from hanging off a tail to nipping a leg and actually giving the filly a bad experience. In fact, the owner's very lucky the OP's horse wasn't bothered by it as most horses would kick out and injure the dog. It's not acceptable for the other owner to let a badly trained animal out with other people's horses, not least because it's rubbish for her dog.

And I say that as someone who believes in desentisation and having my dog around my horses all the time. I wouldn't let my dog do that to someone else's horse and I wouldn't be happy with someone's dog doing it to my horses.

 

[Spring Feather]

It's a dog. C'mon......

This ^^^ I have 7 big dogs so all of my horses are used to dogs running around the farm and in the fields with them all and none of mine bother about the dogs, not even the foals. Now my dogs don't hang off tails lol but I very much doubt the horses would react to it if they did.

 

[mandwhy]

It's a horse livery yard, where people pay to keep horses so they should take priority, so yes I would be annoyed that she did not immediately want to remove the dog from your horse's tail or rush to make sure it didn't get kicked in the head!

 

[Janette]

I would be annoyed too because I don't think she would like a dog hanging off HER horses tail.

If she is your livery, I would be informing her of her duty of care -to keep her dog tied up!
If it were my yard, that would be the rule I would enforce if this had happened to my mare.

 

[EllenJay]

Ah c'mon, yes it's great training while the horses aren't phased by it, but it's a short step from hanging off a tail to nipping a leg and actually giving the filly a bad experience.

Yes - and in all my years of being around horses and dogs (about 45) I have yet to see a dog "hanging off a tail" - would love to see a photo.

This is yet another case of an over anxious owner. The horse didn't react - nothing happened and yet the owner (hours after the event) is still stressing about it. Nobody was injured, or upset - so in answer to the oriinal question -the OP is wrong to be annoyed!

 

[JFTDWS]

Yes - and in all my years of being around horses and dogs (about 45) I have yet to see a dog "hanging off a tail" - would love to see a photo.

This is yet another case of an over anxious owner. The horse didn't react - nothing happened and yet the owner (hours after the event) is still stressing about it. Nobody was injured, or upset - so in answer to the oriinal question -the OP is wrong to be annoyed!

I've seen my old collie hang off my highland's tail in the field. I didn't think it was acceptable behaviour and dealt with it - for my dog's safety as much as my horses'. I think the OP is right to be annoyed with the owner's lack of care for her dog's well being. (I think I have it on video somewhere actually... but I'm on my way out now)

I actually know the OP (not well but well enough to know she's not neurotic) and am reasonably confident she's not exaggerating.

 

[Spring Feather]

Yes - and in all my years of being around horses and dogs (about 45) I have yet to see a dog "hanging off a tail" - would love to see a photo.

One of my (dead from old age) border collies used to do this to one of my horses. They grew up together and were always larking around the fields. The collie used to run after the horse and then grab his tail. The horse used to bomb off with the dog still attached to the tail! The dog sometimes got caught in the tail and would fly around the field for a few minutes until the horse realised and then he would stop and the dog would be put back on the ground and was then able to extract her teeth from the tail hairs. Then once the horse knew the dog was free he would bomb off again with the dog running after him. Rolls were sometimes reversed and the horse would chase the dog into trying to get her to chase him again. I have to admit to having my stomach in my mouth at times though!

 

[EllenJay]

I've seen my old collie hang off my highland's tail in the field. I didn't think it was acceptable behaviour and dealt with it - for my dog's safety as much as my horses'. I think the OP is right to be annoyed with the owner's lack of care for her dog's well being. (I think I have it on video somewhere actually... but I'm on my way out now)

I actually know the OP (not well but well enough to know she's not neurotic) and am reasonably confident she's not exaggerating.

Don't get me wrong - I don't beleive that it is acceptable for a dog to upset a horse, but to be "annoyed" over an incident that didn't have a "bad" outcome is a bit of an over reaction. If the dog traumitised the horse then yes be annoyed. Still do not believe that the dog was "hanging off the tail"

 

[mynutmeg]

put it this way - my mare is used to hacking with our dogs, very happy around them but if a dog did that to her it would be lucky to be intact as she would boot it.
Yes horses should be used to them but if you're going to have your dog around horses then it needs to know how to behave as well

 

[tessybear]

It's not ideal and i would perhaps ask owner if she would like to partake in training/bombproofing with you ? would benefit both dog and your youngster

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

Ok I have my two girls on DIY livery, I'm very lucky I have my own field for them and my filly is rising two.
My filly has been through alot and is super to handle and isn't bothered by much-very pleased about that.

However today in the yucky rain I bought them in together as usual walking across the yard when little one stops- I turn round and one of the dippy liveries has let her dog off the lead and its hanging off my 2yo tail!!!!!!!

Luckily she didn't kick or leg it she just stopped in shock.

Dippy livery appears and half hearted calls the dog, dog ignores her and is now running circles round me and my two horses.

Again luckily my two just stand there mildly annoyed at still getting wet but no real fuss. She grabs hold of dog doesn't tell it off, or apologise!

So I point out that perhaps she should keep said dog on a lead as she has been really lucky that the dog hasn't just been injured, still no apology but says the dog is better behaved that previously been!?!

She seems to be oblivious to the danger and no apology, I would have been mortified if a dog of mine had behaved like that. Clearly I'm not going to get an apology but am I right to be annoyed? Starting to wonder if I'm going mad!

This is one reason why i will not let dogs on the yard. Just my dog , yes Op i would be annoyed

 

[Sunshine]

I have a collie which regularly tries to herd/bully my gelding, despite lots of reprimands. It is so infuriating that it still won't stop when I know it could be a risk if he did the same to other horses, and only seems to do it when you're not looking.
Yes I think the OP is right to be annoyed, besides the possible risk to either the pony or the dog, I think the lack of respect from the dog owner is what is really annoying. Fine if she chooses to let her dog chase her own horse, but to allow it to do this to someone else's, and not apologise after, shows a lack of concern and respect for other people's things or their safety. On this aspect the OP has a right to be annoyed -with the dog owner's attitude.

 

[Equilibrium Ireland]

On my Facebook page a few weeks ago popped up a story of a dog with a broken pelvis. Seems the girl's pony was having a roll and a buck and a kick in the arena as normal. The dog was also in there as normal too. But on this day pony accidentally kicked the dog while messing about. Dog is now miserable and owner has huge vet bills.

My horses all grew up around dogs and are unafraid. But I also do not let my dogs wander about in the mare field. I have two that like to "play" with dogs. I say play but not much fun for the dogs.

Thing is it's so wonderful to desensitise horses to various things. However, rule in my house is if it could turn into a possible vet bill we don't partake. This is mostly with dogs and horses. My horses are ridden with the dogs about all the time. No problem. On their own time in the field I just don't take chances. Both horses that that want to "play" (more like kill) were both chased as foals by somebody else's dogs. People who didn't think it a big deal and the horses needed to deal with it.

So had the filly kicked this dog into the middle of next week what would be the responses here. I'm guessing the following: OP idiot for walking in 2 at a time, OP needs to pay vet bills as her horse at fault, OP should have spent at least 6 months desensitising her horse to dogs. If you're a dog owner be a responsible one. I am and I'd be mortified if mine did that. Mine are loose in mornings and I have another couple of liviries here. They do not mess with them or their horses. I also do not want my dogs in pain or have unnecessary expense for something so simple to rectify.

Terri

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

Don't get me wrong - I don't beleive that it is acceptable for a dog to upset a horse, but to be "annoyed" over an incident that didn't have a "bad" outcome is a bit of an over reaction. If the dog traumitised the horse then yes be annoyed. Still do not believe that the dog was "hanging off the tail"

right so let me this right!!

Op as there was no bad outcome to horse or dog its fine for this dog to hang on your horses tail


but if there was a bad outcome it would not be ok

talk about double standards.


OP I would make anew rule NO dogs on the
ATEOTD this is a livery yard and my home with cats not a dog park
Either leave dog at home or walk it and leave in car TMR

YES op i would be annoyed you did nothing wrong. if this owner cannot keep dog under control i would tell them sorry no dogs allowed on the yard any more.

If her dog had been badly injured or killed, i bet she would be after you for payment or-if dead dog she may sue u.


what if horse had broken free injured itself badly life threatening or got into road died on road or car driver died??

 

[Littlelegs]

The dogs behavior wouldn't annoy me in itself. What would annoy me is the lack of a quick 'ever so sorry, I didn't think he'd do that'. And an assurance that until the dog had learnt not to grab etc, she'd keep a closer eye on it.

 

[EllenJay]

right so let me this right!!

Op as there was no bad outcome to horse or dog its fine for this dog to hang on your horses tail


but if there was a bad outcome it would not be ok

talk about double standards.


OP I would make anew rule NO dogs on the
ATEOTD this is a livery yard and my home with cats not a dog park
Either leave dog at home or walk it and leave in car TMR

No double standards - no harm done - so no reason to get annoyed. The horse wasn't upset, the dog asn't hurt. The OP was only worried about something that didn't happen. There is enough in ths world to worry about things that do happen without worrying about things that do not happen.

The OP is WRONG to be annoyed - question answered

 

[mynutmeg]

No double standards - no harm done - so no reason to get annoyed. The horse wasn't upset, the dog asn't hurt. The OP was only worried about something that didn't happen. There is enough in ths world to worry about things that do happen without worrying about things that do not happen.

The OP is WRONG to be annoyed - question answered

but the potential for the dog to be killed is there - as I said if a dog did that to my mare and probably to many other horses as well it would now be seriously hurt or dead.
a lady I knew had a young collie who hung off her horse's tail, it was just fun but the horse kicked, dog had a broken jaw, severe concussion and lucky to survive. This, and the lack of responsibility from the other livery, is the reason why I would be livid about this, not to mention the potential to freak a horse out over dogs for the rest of it's life.

 

[HappyHooves]

No double standards - no harm done - so no reason to get annoyed. The horse wasn't upset, the dog asn't hurt. The OP was only worried about something that didn't happen. There is enough in ths world to worry about things that do happen without worrying about things that do not happen.

The OP is WRONG to be annoyed - question answered

What a blinkered view. What has the dog learnt from this? That it can get away with taking on a horse. OP's horses are clearly well trained and sensible. Dog owner clearly a poor owner or she would have been able to call her dog off and a way from danger and apologise. No harm done so its all ok? Give me strength!! So you don't mind when your friend or child is riding out on a less sensible horse and this same dog runs out of the woods and has a go at the same fun game?

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

No double standards - no harm done - so no reason to get annoyed. The horse wasn't upset, the dog asn't hurt. The OP was only worried about something that didn't happen. There is enough in ths world to worry about things that do happen without worrying about things that do not happen.

The OP is WRONG to be annoyed - question answered

I would be annoyed if i was leading my youngster in I would not want some body else's damn dog hanging on my horses tail

Op rents the land so its hers rules her control of what can and cannot be.

Just because nothing happened this time does not mean something wont happened next time if this a dog is not kept under control.

So we wait till horses or dog is injured then we say there is something to be worried about now. ?

Op I still say due to recent event rules are now no dogs on the yard unless they are yours or your families.

 

[amandaco2]

I'd be bloomin mad.....lucky the horse didn't kill the dog by kicking it

 

[EllenJay]

What a blinkered view. What has the dog learnt from this? That it can get away with taking on a horse. OP's horses are clearly well trained and sensible. Dog owner clearly a poor owner or she would have been able to call her dog off and a way from danger and apologise. No harm done so its all ok? Give me strength!! So you don't mind when your friend or child is riding out on a less sensible horse and this same dog runs out of the woods and has a go at the same fun game?

Where have I said that it is acceptable - all I have said is that the OP is wrong to be "annoyed". In a few years time to OP will be pleased that the youngster doesn't react to an "enthusisatic" dog - she has a well rounded horse. The dog wasn't hurt in the "INCIDENT". The OP wasn't hurt in the "INCIDENT" so no harm done.

***** happens -you deal with it. And I would still love to see a photo of a dog "hanging off a horses tail"

 

[MagicMelon]

Annoyed at what? Good training for your youngster, she obviously wasn't worried or reacted so not sure what YOU are worrying about

Are you joking? Its dangerous and incredibly rude of the owner to allow her dog to do this. I have just got a puppy, my horses aren't used to dogs so I'll be working very hard to get them used to each other the correct way - not simply letting it run around their feet / grabbing tails etc.! I'd be livid if someone let their dog do this to my horses and this teaches the dog nothing! Stop assuming all horses should be used to dogs - why on earth SHOULD they?!

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

What a blinkered view. What has the dog learnt from this? That it can get away with taking on a horse. OP's horses are clearly well trained and sensible. Dog owner clearly a poor owner or she would have been able to call her dog off and a way from danger and apologise. No harm done so its all ok? Give me strength!! So you don't mind when your friend or child is riding out on a less sensible horse and this same dog runs out of the woods and has a go at the same fun game?

^5 Happy


and what if this owner is walking her dog in the woods and the dog has learnt its ok to hang on horses tail and .................................................
meets a horse rider while off the lead then..............................
chases horse grabs its tail.



1. horse kicks dog seriously injures dog
horse kicks dog .... kills it.
dogs grabs horses tail horse freaks bucks owner off . owner falls breaks her back or kills herself on road
horse gallops off out of control down road straight into a car kills itself or the driver or rider???

But thats ok no harm done ..............................

either
on injured dog
horse
driver

or one
dead dog
owner
horse

 

[ebonyallen]

No you are not. I would not have pointed it out I would told her the dog goes on a lead or stays in the car, or better still stays at home, and if you do not like it well.....................