Amazing video, I've never seen riding like this.

Blimey, that makes you sit and think
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Now I wasn't that impressed to be honest, she is far too confrontational with a lot of the horses and I am pretty certain a lot of the bucks are caused by her spurs.
Either that or they are fed on far too much feed.
Yes horses can have pasts and issues, but there are better ways of dealing with them than she shows.
Sorry, I think the softly softly approach is far better, she asks a huge amount of the horses, ie working absolutely correctly even when they aren't going forward to start with, and I would far rather have seen them relax first on a loose rein.
Horses that try to bolt are scared, fact. If she inspired enough confidence they would settle without he mega fights she has.
(gosh all that from me who loathes parelli!, I sound like a convert
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I doubt many will agree with me but although she is a capable rider few of the horses seem to like her much....
 
They are all good points but you really dont know where these horses have been before. When a horse with problems like that has been in the wrong hands for a long while before, it can be almost impossible to use the calm and softly softly approach with them, as they just wont have any of it.. also I would say tis is probably her living and doubt she has the time to do it that way if someone is only paying her to sort the problem for a couple of weeks/months...

Maybe the horse was bolting because it was scared by something that happened before, I think that having someone like her sitting quietly and not budging would, in this case, be more comforting once the horse realises he wont get a beating, or whatever he is scared of.

I didnt feel she was asking the horses to go absolutely correctly?

I am sure that she has horses that do like her, and that these horses will like her once they have stopped trying to floor her (they will soon get bored of bucking etc when the realise she's not going anywhere!!)
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Yes, this was posted a while back.

I think a lot of us were of the opinion turn out would solve all her problems.......
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I agree with mat - you don't know whats happened to these horses to make them like this. Sometimes a horse gets so far that going softly softly only makes it worse - my old rearer was like that - i took the softly softly approach with him and ended up with a horse on top of me. I am under no illusion that a more forceful rider would have got him over it.
Also agree that yes bolters are scared - but hardly ever of the current rider - most likely of what has happened in the past or a memory of pain. She didn't beat it did she? She sat there, with a firm position as if to say "I'm not going to hurt you, but i'm not going to let you call the shots either".

This video is saved on my favourites, i think it is amazing and I admire her courage and the way she has sorted out these horses by the end.
 
Also want to point out that all the horses in the end work for her - and that she is praising them all the time one way or another.
She also is treating each horse that bit different - so clearly knows that one rule for all won't work, its different for each horse.
 
Not impressed, she sits horribly-very heavy and her legs move about 2 feet every time the horse takes a stride- not good with spurs on!!
 
I haven't had a chance to watch the video the whole way through yet, have seen just over half and I have to say that it doesn't look like anything my horse doesn't chuck at me from time to time. Especially in the winter so I don't think it's that spectacular!!
 
Um, I don't really get it.

First, the song cracks me up. Yup, she's still alive but she better keep an eye on that.
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And a very interesting production from someone warning specifically about the wages of pride when dealing with horses.

Second, she seems to sit well and have good feel but she ain't THAT good and the horses aren't THAT bad. I've certainly ridden more screwed up and volatile horses in my time. No offence to her - I'm sure she's starting to build a good business - but the real trick comes for solving the problems quietly and SAFELY. Yes, horses misbehave for all sorts of reasons and when everything else is ruled out it may just be a case of riding through it and getting the job done but in a situation like, say, the one where she nearly came off the rearing horse the only thing that "saved" her was dumb luck. If the horse has REALLY wanted her off it would have just kept going when she was half off and let her have it. If it really was having a meltdown it certainly would not have stood around waiting for her to climb up the side of it. Hence my comment that they aren't such a bad bunch. (VERY few horses are "bad" but I tell you, if you meet one you never underestimate how easy it is for ANY horse to hurt any of us if it wants to again. It really makes you understand that the VAST majority of them DON'T want to do us harm.) Most of these horses really just stick off the driving aids and the one bolting is CLEARLY not doing it out of disobedience. Because we don't know the story (as Matt said) it's impossible to know what's really going on but with, say, the horse kicking out in canter I'd want to see how it went in different tack and with a lighter seat. Every time she swings her seat at the horse it snaps and I'd want to know why.

Thirdly (and I'm starting to feel mean picking on a kid but I'm interested in why this video is any sort of a big deal at all) the horses at the end, while they aren't being actively disobedient anymore, are all too quick and hard in the hand. If you look at the few regular speed steps it's pretty obvious but even in the slow motion the tempo is not much slower than it should be anyway in a relaxed, carrying horse. Fast is not forward. And "fixing" a horse between the seat/driving leg and the hand is a pretty common and easy way to get compliance, the catch is it makes horses heavy in front and in the hand, which interfers with the end goal of lightness. It's not a horrible problem - it can often be a necessary stage to working with a horse that doesn't go forward like all of that crew - but it's not correct either.

Hmm, I think I need to go and have another cup of tea.
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Really, I'm not bashing the girl - again, she's probably going to make a decent name for herself - but I've seen far more impressive riders do a lot more with far more difficult horses with a lot less fuss.

The trick with being good at anything is to make it look like anyone could do it. The trick of being a good trainer is to not only make the horses LOOK easy but to make them BE easy. The trick of being a good teacher is to teach other people to ride them easily. You don't get points just for staying on the bad horse, you get points for helping it become a good horse.

And by the way, just because a horse "works through" a problem doesn't necessarily rule out a physical issue. First, horses have TREMENDOUS pain tolerance - heck, they WALK back to their stalls from colic surgery! there aren't enough painkilles in the world to get people to do that - and are biologically compelled to move under durress because a still horse is a dead horse. Secondly, as most of us getting older know, starting is the worst part. I have bits that hurt when I get up that ease out with a bit of walking but that doesn't make the arthritis any less real. And with saddle fitting they've now done pretty definitive studies proving the horse's back goes numb after about 20 minutes, which can account for "improvement". Not to mention that horses are BASICALLY compliant - they are well strong enough to opt out of just about everything we ask (ever seen a horse kick it's way out of a stable?), it's their default setting. If progress was a straight simple line then everyone's horses would go well all the time.

Okay, off to get that restorative caffeine now . . .
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I think its a very inspiring video. We all have different ways of dealing with different horses and what she has done with hers works, in the end all the horses look relaxed, she is praising them and overall has got a very good result.
 
Im sorry but this woman looks like a wonderful rider to me who would knowingly get a horse that could do those things at any time! She has the condfiednce to give the horses confidence maybe its nothing more that anyones horses does but you all know your own horses it looks to me like this woman is doing this to help alot of horses!Very brave id say!
 
I haven't got sound so thankfully I didn't have to listen to nickelback
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But I'm of the opinion that she's nothing special. Yes the horses were playing about, but nothing awful, and I'm sure the bucks and fly kicks were as a result of constant niggling with her spurs. I've sat on worse behaved horses. Also like Cruiser mentioned - if the bay was so BAD why did it just stand there and allow her to right herself?! It looked to me as if she pulled the horse over and that's why she lost her seat. Maybe I'm being cynical but this video was produced to promote her business of dealing with "problem" horses - seems to me she could well have aggravated the issues (bucking, bolting - FYI neither of which were terrible!) to simply look good after "sorting them out".
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I'm not saying she didn't stick on ok, but once you've sat to something like this a couple of times you know what to do. Stay calm and quiet and just ride it out, after a while they get bored and shut up, eventually they learn it isn't worth it in the beginning. In my opinion those particular horses weren't that sharp, yes they were being naughty but not nasty. My friend deals with a lot worse on a day to day basis in her business however she doesn't put herself on the internet to promote herself!!
 
I'm not sure what I think of that to be honest, except I would have been on the floor in the first few seconds, and what I wouldn't do to have an indoor school like that!!
 
Credit to her I say. Its not a conventional way to deal with these type of problems and personally I would have worked from the ground for longer first. I don't agree with the use of spurs on these horses as she doesn't need them. However, providing the horses are free from pain and poor tack fitting I believe she has done a good job. Her ridden position is not the best but in fairness she has sat out some serious bucks and rears which would have a fair amount of people ending up on the floor!
These problems are the sort that my sisters ex OH tackles on a daily basis on Oz and he would so a similar thing, sit it out and ride them through it.
 
The kid is sorting out some problem horses & has received quite a battering from some forum members. Complaining about her seat, her spurs, wether she should use another method or not? Give the kid a break, she's sorting out horses & giving them another chance. As they were they would have been placed on the scrap heap by many. So she either has them in for sorting from owners, or buys them in, sorts them & sells them on. Does it really matter. She is doing stuff that alot of us wouldn't bother doing. I hope she continues doing this, & it's a pity some people don't appreciate what she's trying to achieve & shut up with their condecending comments.
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Oh & as for the music.....Who cares....put on 'The Archers' for all I care, does it really matter?
 
I was referring to the "amazing" riding, which IMO, isn't that amazing. Yes, well done her for giving these horses a chance, I'm sure many of us would love to devote our time to helping horses get better, and spend our entire time sitting to bucks and bolts. I just think this video isn't all it's cracked up to be -again just my opinion!!
 
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I agree, people in glass houses and all that!
 
Agree. I don't think shes claiming anywhere that shes the best rider in the world, so whats the need to be so harsh?

I think shes a good rider doing a good job with these horses, and they're going pretty nicely afterwards aswell. I think her seat and legs could be quieter, but on the whole, shes benefitting the horses and I don't think she deserves flak for being proud of what shes achieved.
 
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Exactly what I was thinking when I was reading the comments, I know I couldn't have sat on half of that.
 
If that comment is directed towards me, then as i've said my horse does throw these kind of things into the equation, so yes I do deal with it.
I am in no way trying to belittle whoever this girl is, it's just that some of the posts were saying how amazing it was that she could sit it, my opinion is that it isn't that amazing, that's all.
Surely this forum is intended for people with different opinions.. otherwise it would be very boring!!
 
Aw come on, it's the internet.
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The POINT is to discuss whatever's on the table.

She seems a nice kid with talent, enthusisam and perseverance. I wish her all the luck and hope she doesn't get hurt. (Riding bad horses is easier when you're young but it IS dangerous, even if you do everything right, which none of us ever does - the trick is to gain knowledge without getting hurt enough that you don't want to do it anymore). But SHE's the one who put a video promoting her business (which she mentions in her blurb) on the internet and if you're going to be a professional you're going to take public comment just like the rest of us. It's hard but it's part of the business.

We were asked to weigh in on whether or not we thought this video was "amazing" - some of us do, some of us don't.

There's a fine, indefinable line between self-promotion and bragging. If you're asking (and since you don't know me from the local tinker) if I, as a commentator, have done work like that then, yes. And more/worse/better depending on your perspective. I LOVE working with "problem" horses and most of my clients have seemed happy with the results - at least they told me they were and kept paying! For the past 25 years I've made a decent living at it until I stopped very recently of my own volition in order to move. And I'm still here with all my bits. I was absolutely that kid 15-20 years ago. Heck, she probably knows things I don't - there is always more to learn about horses. But I've had great teachers - horse and human - and spent most of my life trying to learn about horses full time so yes, I feel qualified to at least have an opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own.

Since you asked . . .
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Quite clearly most of us would be off in a shot on most of those horses. And actually I think she rides beautifully. I can't hear the music or any comentary - as I have no sound on my computer.

But I still can't help thinking - turn it out, stop grubbing it up - it would solve so many problems. Also - take your spurs off, and drop the schooling whip.

The little arab mare was clearly very frightened - and I think at the blue barrells at the top of the school. So why not make life easy and remove them - and reintroduce in stages. Oh, and drop the schooling whip.

Just an observation. But I know plenty of Dressage offionados - all the horses are over fed, have no turn out - and act like absolute monsters when first mounted, and take an age to settle.

The horses in the clip look well muscled, and worked. So unless these 'problems' have occured overnight, I am not convinced that they are problem horses, just victims of their environment.

Of course none of us know the real story behind this vid.
 
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