AMDressage clinic report-a familiar spanish face returns to HHO!

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No reports from me for a long time as Millie has broken herself twice in the last 5 months :( firstly mangling a splint bone while having an argument with a fence post, and then last week she did her check ligament after putting her foot down a hole. Back to box rest for her then!

Anyway, onwards... In December a HHO horse came to stay with Millie at my yard... a little grey spanish called Armas! :eek: I expect many of the C&T regulars will have followed his threads in Tack Room now and then during the summer... it's with more than a little trepidation that I'm posting this so PLEASE PLEASE can I ask now that this doesn't go the way that many of those went- we don't need to look back at the past but very much looking forward to the future :) He's a super little horse with a lovely attitude and I've really enjoyed the last few months getting to know him and his little foibles.

Millie was booked onto the 3 day clinic at AM Dressage with him last weekend but her typical bad timing meant she just came along for a change of scenery and some holiday box rest. :rolleyes:

We arrived on Thursday afternoon to the usual laid back atmosphere at AM Dressage,installed both horses into their stables and set off to the kitchen to meet the other riders before dinner. Lovely mix of people with a wide variety of backgrounds and experience. Over the course of the 3 days I think we all bonded pretty well and it was lovely to follow everyone's progress :)

Armas had the previous day off as I was away for work so thought it would be prudent to ride him on Thursday evening. An hour and a half later he had climbed back down from the ceiling and was fairly settled and on my aids, ready to work the next day ;) He's not a horse that thrives with time off, he just spends his time dreaming up more spooks, I think!

On Friday morning Justine and Adam ran several assessment sessions. There were 3 or 4 riders in each and we basically had 45 mins to work the horses, shake out the initial spooks and for the trainers to see what we were doing when left to our own devices. They made some notes about the strengths/weaknesses of both riders and horses and we had a short discussion about what we needed to work on over the weekend.

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On Friday afternoon I had my first lesson, which was with Adam. I've had lessons on Millie with Adam, and Armas has been for one session in December so we had a starting point to work from. The main focus of the lesson was encouraging Armas to remain adjustable, in front of my seat and to wrap around my inside leg, which was something of an issue on the right rein, resulting in a few minor tantrums, some napping and a bit of getting stuck in passage ;) By the end, he was more supple and able to go on and back in trot and canter without becoming too tight, staying pretty straight and I think the paces were becoming more expressive. A good start, and not too spooky!

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The rest of the day was spent watching the other lessons and getting to know the rest of the group. Dinner and wine to finish ;)

Saturday morning began with a 3 hour lecture demo with Justine and Matt schooling several horses belonging to them and some clients. They all had different strengths and weaknesses, some too laid back, some too hot, all at different stages in their training. Adam led the discussion about each one and we talked about the different approaches needed for every horse. Matt has some super competition prospects coming up and Justine's horse which is aimed at GP this year I think looked really smart.

In the afternoon we all swapped trainers and my session was with Justine. I've only had a schoolmaster lesson with Justine in the past and found her pretty brutal :p if I sat weirdly or gave a rubbish aid.. let's say I was a little bit nervous at the start. However, either I've got better or perhaps Armas doesn't show my weaknesses as much as their schoolmaster ;) but it was a really positive session working on increasing engagement and moving toward medium trot, something that Armas doesn't find at all natural, but he will have a good bash at!

Firstly we worked on getting him up and out in the frame - it's taken me a while to get used to having to ride him in this frame and believing it's *not* wrong for him - you can feel instantly when he has let go of his back as he takes you along with him and reaches into the rein... and then I know it's right. To begin with it feels like his head & neck is far too high but I do think he's now softer in his neck and body, and the neck overall is longer and not wedged in, plus I have more control of his frame and can put him up or down as required (usually!!) It's not established yet and whenever you change something the tension and short neck comes back but I think it's becoming a happy place for him now.

Justine asked what level he was competing at. As he came into the country aged 8 he was automatically given 400 BD points .. so he was assessed and regraded to elementary, so that's where we will begin. Justine asked to see some half passes (which were OK) simple changes (which are a bit ropey as he gets in a stew about the downward transition) and then we worked towards building the medium trot. He's gradually getting the idea - just at the moment when he is about to break we are getting a few lengthened strides but he finds it difficult to find his balance and rhythm still so it was nice to have some eyes on the ground and help with that. All in all another good day, and he was more focused and more connected compared to the previous session.

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tbc....
 
continued... ;)
(well, it was 3.5 days of riding, so it was always going to be a long post!)


On the final day we had a lesson with Matt. I've never been taught by Matt but he's usually in the school with a client when I'm there with Adam and I always thought he seemed like a good laugh.. I really enjoyed this lesson and I wouldn't hesitate to have another. He had a really laid back approach which I found easy to gel with and we worked on gradually being able to put a bit more pressure on Armas and then take it away again. Matt noticed that he got equally worried about things whether it was just a walk transition or a flying change - he's just a horse that worries until he knows what the exercise is.

We had a play with some shoulder in/straight/shoulder out/straight in trot and canter, then added transitions until he was rideable and then popped in a couple of changes which were a bit anxious but correct :) Matt pointed out that if we kept repeating the changes then we would be giving him the message that he was doing them wrong - as he had done 2 good (enough for a starting point) changes that was plenty for the day, and we then went back to the on & back/shoulders in & out exercises which he was comfortable with, to relax him & tune him back into the work.

After a little break we went back to the trot work and used passagey steps to build the power, before trying to ride the front legs out and forward, and have him pushing along behind into lengthened strides. I think if we had been there for a week rather than 3 days he would have got it - by the end he had found a balance that enabled him to lengthen rather than scuttle and I think he will get it more securely in the coming weeks.

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forgive the comment at the end of the vid, I think there is still a bit of a raw nerve there :o:rolleyes: moving on...

He went back to the stable for a roll and a snack and then Adam did a short session in hand in the afternoon to begin the piaffe. I think he's going to do that very well as there were a few moments in the session where he really began to sit. I've had a few piaffe steps under saddle at home - have found it a useful distraction when he gets wound up by other horses around the school as he finds the concept so easy so you can use it to refocus him. Adam said that we would do a few mins tagged onto the end of our lessons in the future and just build on that foundation over the next few months. Piaffe vid to follow.

All in all, a super weekend - good company, good training, good food, good fun... can't wait for the next one and just hope Millie is back on the road by then!
 
Have you bought this horse? If not, I am sorry but his owner was so unpleasant I don't really relish any more contact of any kind with him or his animals. If yes, then fair enough, great update.

Sorry if this spoils your thread.
 
Great report, thank you for sharing :)

Armas dosent look like an easy ride, but i think you ride him very well :)

Fingers crossed mille dosent injure herself again!! And hope check lig damage isnt too severe :)
 
Booboos: no, I've just got the ride. No prob and don't wish to get sidetracked ;) I was so hoping this was going to be a thread all about Millie and the amazing progress she was going to make over the weekend, grrrrr :mad: As she's off the road thought it would be of interest to some to see what we got up to at the clinic especially as there was talk last year of a HHO meet up at AM Dressage some time :)

Great write up and vids :)
Is Armas going to be staying with you for a while?

Thanks, we had a super time with the team there and yes, that's the plan. Hopefully will begin his BD campaign fairly soon, I think he will need quite a bit of match practice before he can cope with working in new places ;)

Great report, thank you for sharing :)

Armas dosent look like an easy ride, but i think you ride him very well :)

Fingers crossed mille dosent injure herself again!! And hope check lig damage isnt too severe :)

Thanks, he is a funny bunny who gets in a tangle quite easily but he is very honest and willing most of the time. Millie will see the vet again this week to assess the damage :(
 
He's looking so much better :)
You got a little bit of my horse in the background of one of your vids (with his loaner!)
 
He's looking so much better :)
You got a little bit of my horse in the background of one of your vids (with his loaner!)

Oh really? :) Whose horse was that? The only one I was aware that was on loan was Rex, is that the one? If so I thought he was such a sweetie :)
 
Oh really? :) Whose horse was that? The only one I was aware that was on loan was Rex, is that the one? If so I thought he was such a sweetie :)

That's the one!
He was given to my sister as a foal, he's a lovely horse but not eventer material so J is having a lot of fun with him :)
 
That's the one!
He was given to my sister as a foal, he's a lovely horse but not eventer material so J is having a lot of fun with him :)

Oh that's so lovely. He seemed like such a nice chap, I watched a few of her lessons on him and could see them making brilliant progress :)
 
Ooh, I think you must have been there at the same time as a friend of mine too! Seeing her updates on FB (both of the riding and the post-riding activities!) from AM camps always makes me jealous - I wish I was back in England with my Spanish boy so we could join!

Armas looks so different these days, it's great to see. Well done to you and his owner! (I didn't see the other posts on here, only his updates on the BAPSH FB page, so I don't know what the various references are referring to!!)
 
Nice to see him back. I've been to an am camp and didn't rate it. A lot of sitting about, a lot of bitching, and a lot of people who are only interested in themselves and didn't even attempt to display any interest in me or my horse.
 
Nice to see him back. I've been to an am camp and didn't rate it. A lot of sitting about, a lot of bitching, and a lot of people who are only interested in themselves and didn't even attempt to display any interest in me or my horse.

Blimey, what a shame! I've only ever heard good things about them and I really wasn't disappointed. We had a lovely gang :) Hopefully see some of them again as I'm booked onto the September course ;)

Ooh, I think you must have been there at the same time as a friend of mine too! Seeing her updates on FB (both of the riding and the post-riding activities!) from AM camps always makes me jealous - I wish I was back in England with my Spanish boy so we could join!

Oh! Who was that? I really couldn't be happier with the weekend, it was jam packed and I went to bed exhausted from concentrating so hard every day! I think they all had a really good approach to training a Spanish horse - acknowledged the differences but the principles are the same as anything else so the hints and tips we picked up are equally applicable to my own little cobxwb :)

Great report - he certainly doesn't look easy but you appear to be getting on with him very well. It's good to see him again!

Thanks, thought a few people might be interested to see an update ;) we have some off days where all he can do is spook at a man on a roof half a mile away, but on the whole it feels like we have got the measure of each other!
 
Oh! Who was that? I really couldn't be happier with the weekend, it was jam packed and I went to bed exhausted from concentrating so hard every day! I think they all had a really good approach to training a Spanish horse - acknowledged the differences but the principles are the same as anything else so the hints and tips we picked up are equally applicable to my own little cobxwb :)

PM'd you :D
 
Gosh Milliepops, I don't know the history of the horse, but I think you're being very patient with some unecessary comments!

The weekend clinic sounds really good....mind PM-ing me with the price?!
 
Looks like a good weekend :)

Just wondering what do you do when he gets worried? My boys really similar and I can easily ruin a session from one worried moment dealt badly.
 
What a shame, not my experience at all and I've done a couple now with another later this year. I really enjoyed watching others have their lesson, I learned such a lot and as the "worst" rider at the camp I wasn't made to feel inadequate, people were very supportive. If they did any bitching, I didn't hear it! It's lovely to see Armas progressing so well, thanks for psting the videos.
Nice to see him back. I've been to an am camp and didn't rate it. A lot of sitting about, a lot of bitching, and a lot of people who are only interested in themselves and didn't even attempt to display any interest in me or my horse.
 
The weekend clinic sounds really good....mind PM-ing me with the price?!


Will do, though for anyone else who is interested it's all on the AM Dressage website. You can build your own course as they will put your horse up if you just want to stay there for a few days but I got so much more out of being able to watch everyone else's lessons that it was worth the extra cost. Plus the evenings were good fun too!
 
Looks like a good weekend :)

Just wondering what do you do when he gets worried? My boys really similar and I can easily ruin a session from one worried moment dealt badly.

I think the session with Matt really helped me to get my head around this - if you don't have time or inclination to watch them all, watch that one ;) as he talked quite a lot about that. I think the key thing for me - and we also discussed this in the wrap up chat at the end of the weekend - was not to see that as a bad thing necessarily. He is going to be a horse that worries about things and with him you have to not see that as a failing on the rider's part or feel bad about what you have done.

Matt pointed out that he gets worried by a trot to walk transition, just as much as a flying change. At that point we were just letting him fall out of trot into the walk so it's not as though you could say the horse was put under undue pressure during the transition- he just gets worried because he is trying to please. Eventually that will be a positive because he is so willing. Matt talked about his own horse who is similar and said that's great because riding 15 one time changes is no more stressful than riding 15 trot to walk transitions!

We did several things at different times when he got in a stew. In the session with Matt we did the changes and then returned to the shoulders in/out and on & back exercises because it gave him something else easy to concentrate on while he 'processed' what he had been asked in the changes. Those are always going to be useful exercises for him to increase engagement and straightness so it is not time wasted ;)

Later in the session we just trotted on a circle and left him to simmer. Matt said that in order to relax him I should just not get involved - unlike, say, another horse that you might actively ride deeper or lower in the frame to relax the body. It was more passive than that.

At other times it's important to recognise when he is not worrying about something but actually being a twit! There were times in the lesson with Adam when he was being more obstructive and nappy, and in those cases we had to keep the pressure on and work through the stress until he accepted the exercise. In this case it was something very simple that he knows well (stay soft around inside leg and then in front of the aids) so we made it more difficult for him when he was going against the aids until he worked out it was easier to square up.:p

I had to do something similar on the Thursday when he was just wild and actually out of control with napping and running away. I just kept it really simple and insisted on straightness and response to basic slow down/go faster aids ;)

So there's not one solution as it depends on the reason and nature of the worrying/stress response :D but as a rider it really helped me to be told that it's not my fault, and it will just happen so not to beat yourself up about it.
 
Twiglet, your PMs are full!
The cost came to £130 a day for the 3 day course, that included stabling (with bedding and hay) and food for me. It seemed expensive when I booked it but I got so much out of it that I wished I'd been able to stay for a 5 day course.

They book up really quickly though!
Best thing is to have a look at the website and then give Pat a call in the office, she is lovely and will tell you all about it ;)
 
Twiglet, your PMs are full!
The cost came to £130 a day for the 3 day course, that included stabling (with bedding and hay) and food for me. It seemed expensive when I booked it but I got so much out of it that I wished I'd been able to stay for a 5 day course.

They book up really quickly though!
Best thing is to have a look at the website and then give Pat a call in the office, she is lovely and will tell you all about it ;)



ooops emptied :)
 
He's not cocky, he's a PRE ;)

lovely stuff in the 3rd vid. When he makes a connection, he really makes a connection. It must be so rewarding.

He's such a flashy little horse. I love 'im!
 
He's not cocky, he's a PRE ;)

lovely stuff in the 3rd vid. When he makes a connection, he really makes a connection. It must be so rewarding.

He's such a flashy little horse. I love 'im!


hehehe actually I thought Adam summed him up pretty well ;) lots of hot air but underneath it all he's not very self confident! Just leading him down to the school sometimes feels like you are just waiting for a big white Scooby-Doo to leap into your arms quivering ;)

and yes, you can feel instantly when he understands and it's right - he changes completely and it's a lovely feeling.
 
Lovely to see Armas return. I enjoyed the previous training videos on the whole but sometimes the previous rider did things that made me go 'WHAAAAT??!!' (Now this isn't me slagging her off, as a rider she was actually very good but I think she struggled to understand him sometimes)

It is very obvious from the videos that you 'get' him. I think he looks great & already much softer. Really looking forward to seeing & hearing more :)
 
Can I just say, he goes 100x better for you than the other rider.

As much as I wasn't keen on James, I really liked Armas. I had a PRE stallion so I sympathise with everything you are talking about- they are hard work!!

But he looks great under you. All the best! I'm looking forward to more updates.
 
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