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I think you should have established permission before you copied and pasted anything. It is standard practice. Some publications may not want their material posted on an unlicensed website. I am not saying you are doing anything wrong with the sentiments and work you are doing but I think H&H are in the right on this one.
 
I think the Website owners are very foolish to be honest, they knew they would be breaking copyright but went ahead and reproduced the articles anyway and once they were 'caught' are playing the sympathy card to try and continue to get away with it and because H&H are saying no they are being childish and petty.

If the site owners had approached H&H before posting any articles I bet you H&H would have been far more open to suggestions perhaps allowing significant quotes/sections to be used from articles as long as links were provided. But as they didn't ask in advance I can completey understand why H&H are taking the stance they have.

What is the betting the photos used are not their own either and so again breaching copyright??!!
 
Dear forum users

I was quite surprised to read this message on the Amershamhorses.com website and the facebook discussion that has arisen from it. I have responded to the facebook discussion with the following message, and am currently waiting to see whether it will be approved by Caroline and posted on the discussion board. I sincerely hope so.

For anyone who is interested, this is what I have posted.

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Dear all

I am really surprised by what I am reading. H&H cares deeply about the plight of the Amersham horses, which is why we have followed the case so closely.

However we are a business and if we allow one website to publish our content without our permission, however worthy that site may be, then it would be the start of a very slippery slope to finding the work of our journalists being reproduced all over the internet without any recompense for their work.

Our policy is that other websites are welcome to reproduce our headlines and intros/opening paragraphs to our stories with a link back to our site to read the story in full, which is what I see is now being done with other news sources on Amershamhorses.com. I'm not quite sure why Caroline did not feel able to extend this courtesy to us, as it was offered to her as an alternative to paying our syndication charges, but that is her choice.

Anyone who wishes to read our content is of course welcome to go to www.horseandhound.co.uk and read our latest news on the case.

Also in response to the post above by Suzi Wales, this matter is being discussed on the H&H forum at the current time and as long as the discussions remain within the t&cs of the forum, the thread will not be deleted.

Here is the link for anyone interested.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3796236/an/0/page/0/vc/1

Kind regards

Carol Phillips
H&H website editor
 
I think you are being very fair Carol It is sadly not possible to have grey areas in publishing it has to be black and white. I would say Ammersham horses should be thankful that IPC are not taking further action.
 
I'm confused at why whatever is written on the facebook group has to be 'moderated' first, surely that means Caroline will just decide not to put up H&H's post and any others in support of H&H?
 
To be honest i think it is rather petty!

Without H&H Operation Esther would never of happened so seems stupid to now bad mouth H&H over material that has been used when you should of asked permission anyway.

And i was involved in Operation Esther - i was a convoy lorry to Redwings so i am totally not against it - just think that the pettiness showed on that site is yet another show of why OE is no more.
 
Ok whats done is done can we all leave it at that ? The last thing we need is division here when at the end of the day we all want the same thing and thats " Justice " for these horses.

Both parties have played a major role in helping these horses HHO /forum members/Operation Esther and Amershamhorses.com/equineonline.net so lets not have a slanging match ay !!
 
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To be honest i think it is rather petty!

Without H&H Operation Esther would never of happened so seems stupid to now bad mouth H&H over material that has been used when you should of asked permission anyway.

And i was involved in Operation Esther - i was a convoy lorry to Redwings so i am totally not against it - just think that the pettiness showed on that site is yet another show of why OE is no more.

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Well said!
 
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just think that the pettiness showed on that site is yet another show of why OE is no more

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Totally agree with you Vicki (and Ovidius) - what a fiasco, such a well meaning thing turned into
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. And I totally agree with H&Hs stance on the matter.
 
Admin, apparently your comments wont go onto the wall of that facebook group because you are not a member....but strangely mu comments haven't gone up either - I have joined for the purpose of why....
 
I have just posted on the group, arguing H&H's case, and have basicly said "At the end of the day, they are a business, not a charity, their main aim is to survive, not give out their content willy nilly. They can ask you to take their content down freely, by LAW. You have breached copyright, you are very lucky H&H haven't taken legal action (I would be surprised if they did) Caroline needs to grow up.

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Infact, reading some of the posts, i think they are complete idiots, just read some of their replys! (I'll make it easy for you)

Surely the name horse and HOUND tells you these people don't care about animal welfare at all? - I'm sure they do, but they aren't a charity that were set up to care.

I Hope you point H&H in the direction of this website so that they can see all the NEGATIVE publicity they have achieved. Haha haha.... - Bear in mind only 13 people have replied to this post, is this a lot of negative publicity? I think not.

H&H news articles are syndicated for free via RSS across the internet daily. It's really not a hanging offence. - Anyone else feel like saying "It may be a hanging offense if hanging was legal"
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P.S well done Carys for arguing H&H's case!

Chunk
 
Nothing to do with caring or not caring - it is to do with YOU breaking the Law. I know you find it difficult but you would do your cause more dignity if you didn't act like some dictator.
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Well, Caroline... here you go.

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You wrote 10 minutes ago
H&H are a business, their main goal is to survive, as is any businesses main objective. They can do as they please in terms of requesting removal of content "stolen" from their site (That is the law). In response to Linzi Taylor; Horse & Hound were NOT set up to care for the welfare of animals. They are a magazine (did you know?) Also, do you know a hound is a dog? *Claps* Well done, you didn't know that one. As Carys has said, H&H could easily take several people in this discussion to court if they so wish. I'd be very careful. All H&H's content is copyright, if you have a problem with copyright laws, go moan to Gordon Brown.



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Caroline Bell (Manchester) wrote 7 minutes ago
H&H articles have been removed so copyright is no longer an issue.



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You wrote 5 seconds ago

Yes, but that is what you, and the others in this discussion are ranting about, H&H wanting their content on THEIR OWN SITE. At the end of the day, H&H wanted you to take their content down, and now you are in a beef. You stated "I explained that I realise that technically it is a breach of copyright " Therefore you know you were breaking the law. End of story. The only reason this topic started up is because you didn't like being told what to do. Grow Up.
 
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My oh my ........... the real caring personalities are coming out.

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H&H policy(as explained by Admin in this thread) is that anyone is free to post first few lines and a link to the story on HHO.
Cant really ask for fairer then that can you?

OE was organised via this website,provided free by HHO.
Admin even set up a tempory sub section to help those involved organise everything and the demise of OE was nothing to do with anything Admin said or did,but the desire of some involved to bitch at eachother
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Jeez you really do need to grow up. considering the way H&H and 99% of the users on here went out of their way to help get OE off the ground I think its you that is showing your true colours
 
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I didn't get in involved with OE - not because I didn't care but because of the constant bickering and bitchiness it brought out in people. Instead I sent a cheque to one of the charities in the hope it would do some good. This thread is 100% reminiscent of the OE threads - catty, bitchy and totally unnecessary
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People should be taking advantage of the current publicity in a good way, not descending into name calling and pettiness.
 
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