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I have just received the spring news. In it is an article on the Amersham case. This is not to start an argument about it
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Taken from the article ' Tragically, Amersham was not the only large case we were involved with. Very soon after it, we dealt with another major welfare concern in North Wales involving multiple horses, 14 of which were taken into World Horse Welfare care. We are also involved in an ongoing situation in Scotland which could result in another influx of ponies into our care. Although the public reaction to the case in Amersham showed that we are a nation of animal lovers, there are still a horrifying number of welfare cases in the UK every year and we will always need your support to help the horses involved.'
I have mentioned before Amersham is nothing new and there are many similar cases - worse! Amersham made the news, many don't. We work tirelessly on horse welfare. We are a very small charity with no funding/donations (not about funding by the way, it is our choice to do this work) and usually only make the local paper. We are currently working on a case of 100+ horses. Many of the cases cannot come into the public eye and i cannot talk about the big case unfortunately, its hard going but i won't give up.
My point is everyones heads were turned to the Amersham case. It is fantastic the support people have shown but as WHW has said and i have said there are many more cases. My point is, those of you that have taken a big interest and done something, you can help bring to light other cases. The Amersham case is being dealt with by the courts, of course we are all interested. You could help 100's more horses by carrying on the fight with the ones not yet brought to the attention of charites. People have spoken loud and clear over the Amersham case, there are more cases that need you to speak loud and clear and help put an end to suffering. We discovered the 100+ horses from a phone call from a worried horse person. They had gone to view a horse for sale in a magazine. What they found was not good and they spoke up. It only takes one phone call.
 
S_F, T his was my point all the way through the Amersham "Debates"....something that the "esther bandwaggon jumpers" just wouldnt/couldnt see.

this was/is a high profile case and as you say in your thread, wasnt the only case going on....with similar/worse cases of "neglect"...so where were/are the calls for the "ba5tards" to be hung here??

double standards methinks...or are these low profile, media wise, cases not "interesting" enough for the publicity seekers?

as i said before Amersham, after Amersham and during Amersham...where was the outraged/shocked/ angry/speechless brigade then??
 
I do understand your point JM07. I put the post as i am often not listened to regards big welfare issues - not in here by the way but in my work. I just wished to point out it is happening on a daily basis out of the media eye. It is now in print and not just my say so. It would be nice to get all the support for these cases, from those that wish to voice there concerns. All charites need people to speak up, together we can make a difference.
 
But, though we all know it goes on all the time and is largely ignored, the public don't have a clue.

The one thing about Amersham is it got the public's attention, hopefully a way can be found to use this to start a bigger change?

Not holding my breath mind you
 
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But, though we all know it goes on all the time and is largely ignored, the public don't have a clue.

The one thing about Amersham is it got the public's attention, hopefully a way can be found to use this to start a bigger change?

Not holding my breath mind you

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That is what i am hopeing for
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I totally agree we should be putting forward a united front and a united voice regarding animal cruelty cases however the OP's 'clip' is contradictory - how can we make a noise about something we know nothing about?

Amersham hit the headlines, so OE was formed and we DID manage to bring widescale awareness of the work done by the charities and some relief to them. If no-one ensures that a case does not get in the papers, then we can't act in any way.

The charities that act on these atrocities should be notifying us - perhaps via the OE Website/forum so we can help raise awareness in specific circumstances?

In an ideal world there would be no animal cruelty but we do not livve in an ideal world. If we can help bring wide awareness to multiple cases that is atleast a step in the right direction.
 
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I totally agree we should be putting forward a united front and a united voice regarding animal cruelty cases however the OP's 'clip' is contradictory - how can we make a noise about something we know nothing about?

Amersham hit the headlines, so OE was formed and we DID manage to bring widescale awareness of the work done by the charities and some relief to them. If no-one ensures that a case does not get in the papers, then we can't act in any way.


The charities that act on these atrocities should be notifying us - perhaps via the OE Website/forum so we can help raise awareness in specific circumstances?

In an ideal world there would be no animal cruelty but we do not livve in an ideal world. If we can help bring wide awareness to multiple cases that is atleast a step in the right direction.

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I understand this. My suggestion was the cases we do not know about and bring them to our attention. It can jeopodise things if some cases are brought public. I do not explain myself properly sorry. The 100+ horse case was brought to my attenrion by a potential buyer. If they had not, what was going on would have carried on. They walked away did not buy the horse and told me about it. Charities cannot be everywhere and do rely on help in bringing cases to our attention.
I don't wish to dig up mud but the Raffle horse is an example of what can be done.
 
As long as there is indiscriminate breeding and human stupidity with horses, there will be horrific welfare cases, be they well publicised or not. You only have to go to the worst of the sales to see what's going on.

The trouble is it's a never ending cycle. I don't think long term neglect will ever end. And it isn't only the scabby dealers that neglect their animals, it can be the person with the super-duper competition horse on show and the poor, underfed, worm and lice ridden oldie hidden away.

All anyone can do is help out where and if they can be it on a practical or financial basis. And sadly I think that sometimes decisions have to be made that may not be popular, but are probably the only feasible solution with some horses that are beyond rehabilitation of any sort.
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Like this idea BER. There are loads of us on this forum, who genuinely care about horse welfare.

Perhaps, through here and OE, we could set up a network of people to liaise with the local charities, develop relationships with local welfare officers etc. That way, we could build on the good work already started by OE, and continue to raise awareness of smaller or less publicised welfare cases.
 
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maybe a network of individuals/groups could be set up demographically to keep an eye on what is happening in their own areas, that way we are able to monitor and publicise issues

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What a good idea.
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Like this idea BER. There are loads of us on this forum, who genuinely care about horse welfare.

Perhaps, through here and OE, we could set up a network of people to liaise with the local charities, develop relationships with local welfare officers etc. That way, we could build on the good work already started by OE, and continue to raise awareness of smaller or less publicised welfare cases.

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This is what i was trying to say in a bad way as i can't write what i mean. With the raffle horse it was a joint effort with certain people being knowledgable about different things. Working together we got a result. I think my knowledge is on upsetting people
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lol SF, I don't think you upset people at all. Except maybe "mad women from north of the border"
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BER, yes, area co-ordinators would be pretty essential so that we don't all end up going off on a tangent. I'll PM you shortly.
 
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I think we would need an area co-ordinator to whom other members in the same location can report to

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Yes i agree that would be needed and shareing info on certain cases with other areas. That way there is a wide network of knowledge and what is happening as people sometimes move from area to another once convicted.
 
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Most of our rescues come from private homes.

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it also has shocked me recently how many horses suffer whilst on loan, i honestly dont think people always meen horses to end up the way they do, its shear ignornace, ok so its no excuse, but id much rather somebody was ignorant and able to be taught rather then the a holes that just put a horse in a field and let it waste away!
 
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Most of our rescues come from private homes.

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it also has shocked me recently how many horses suffer whilst on loan, i honestly dont think people always meen horses to end up the way they do, its shear ignornace, ok so its no excuse, but id much rather somebody was ignorant and able to be taught rather then the a holes that just put a horse in a field and let it waste away!

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I do say that on our website which is why i don't put on there most of the stories as i want people to think they can aproach me without telling the world. We do concentrate a lot on education, in a walks of life/horse owners with success and change.
 
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Like this idea BER. There are loads of us on this forum, who genuinely care about horse welfare.

Perhaps, through here and OE, we could set up a network of people to liaise with the local charities, develop relationships with local welfare officers etc. That way, we could build on the good work already started by OE, and continue to raise awareness of smaller or less publicised welfare cases.

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There is also so many knowledgable people on here in many areas. That knowledge would be a huge help. Say if a member brought something to attention, someone on here could be looking into the laws whilst i was makeing a visit for instance, much like what went on the other day.
 
A good starting point might be to get a list of the less well known, local charities who post on here such as you and Silver Florin. A co-ordinated approach, not affiliated to any one charity, may be more beneficial. Also, what are the legal implications of setting up a welfare checking network? And there's the issue of training to think of too.

I would like to help where I can, but I am busy with a young family and my own horses so probably couldn't commit to much time. I'm not well known on here either, so wouldn't be much use drumming up interest!
 
Is there scope for using the network of BHS Welfare officers as a start?

I don't know how active the BHS welfare "division" is, but the BHS is for the welfare of the horse, and there you have the benefit of a large organisation with the resources to help when required?

Just a thought..
 
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A good starting point might be to get a list of the less well known, local charities who post on here such as you and Silver Florin. A co-ordinated approach, not affiliated to any one charity, may be more beneficial. Also, what are the legal implications of setting up a welfare checking network? And there's the issue of training to think of too.

I would like to help where I can, but I am busy with a young family and my own horses so probably couldn't commit to much time. I'm not well known on here either, so wouldn't be much use drumming up interest!

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You are helping by bringing up these points Grumpy Herbert. I realy would not wish to be afiliated to a charity. We can work together but some of us have different views on certain things, as a whole it works better as we are not following the same lines but get to the same end result - happy healthy horses.
 
I agree that it should not be affiliated to any one group. My opinion is that we as individuals or small orgs will be able to network more successfully without one big group taking over and the rest of us becoming obsolete, and I do think that will happen if we involve the biggies.
 
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