justabob
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I think QB needs to step away from the forum until she is in a better mood and normal service is resumed.
Amount of work...
- Thread starter Queenbee
- Start date
AmyMay
Situation normal
Well I didn't willfully ignore your question. But I didntl realise you simply wanted a yes or no. Maybe a poll would be more useful next time. And as an aside (if I may) everything you do with a youngster should be designed to make them 'think forward'. If that's not happening in a pessoa - you drop it. Also if you are looking to start showing him the sure fire way of building his muscles correctly is to do ridden work.
JFTDWS
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QB you have a cheek, nobody has 'jumped on their soapbox', only offered constructive advice for the sake of your horse's long term soundness. All you had to do was say 'thanks but no thanks, happy with my decision' and ignore the comments. You chose to be rude about it and get snotty with people for answering your question in the most accurate way they could.
Auslander
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I thought that too!
QB - I don't think anyone ignored the question, in order to hop up on their soapboxes. They just picked up on the element of a very young horses workload that didn't sit comfortably with them. It would appear that most people are in agreement - what does that tell you?
Goldenstar
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Well he's a lot nearer to four than three
Or he's four TBs are aged from first Jan and non tbs from the forst of April .
Or he's three years eleven months and xxx days
But it's all splitting hairs .
Although I do reduce work for horses who where born late in the season.
Goldenstar
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But Queenbee I have to agree you are abit scary Mary ATM.
Are you ok?
Are you ok?
Queenbee
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No my dear, it was a general comment, I'm certain that at one point I commented someone and even said... That my remarks were not purely pointed at the person I quoted... And no, I'm sure I never made a sweeping statement that all posters wouldn't care... But many of them were having a go, instead of helping. But hey, I've touched a nerve and now MY thread has turned into a debate abouts someone else's thread... Must have touched a nerve.
Obviously you missed the rule where they are classified as the age they will become that year... Three, is more interpreted as 36 months as opposed to 48 or even 47 months... And Ben had grown 1 inch in the last 2 years so not as if he's bum high.
Omg... Now I remember why I couldn't be arsed with this forum for such a long time... No one can give a straight answer, and those that give an opinion generally do it to bitch and not be constructive or informative.
Auslander
Well-Known Member
Don't let the door catch you on the ass on your way out...
Goldenstar
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QB horses don't really lend themselves to straight answers in most situations.
Mongoose11
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GS - I understand 
BUT she said he wasn't 3 
and as he isn't a TB and she knows his DOB - he is 3 and I have a bone to pick so I guess I'm picking it (so mature)!
BUT she said he wasn't 3 and as he isn't a TB and she knows his DOB - he is 3 and I have a bone to pick so I guess I'm picking it (so mature)!Mongoose11
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Ok, QB you should deffo revisit that thread where you quoted me and made your comment I'm out. You do my head in!
I'm out. You do my head in!
justabob
Well-Known Member
...........and don't SLAM it behind you.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
QB you're not usually like this- are you ok?
Queenbee
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Ha ha... Well, we have connie 1/4 and tb 1/2 so bit of a dolly mixture. Backed at 3, hacked on for six months then rested for three from December... Now coming back into work. He grew an inch this winter and was shedding his caps so he had a rest... Now he is so soft in the mouth and loving his work, coming on nicely.
Yep, as I said, I suppose the other thread riled me a bit, I just thought that regardless of everything the horse needed help and running the owner down for riding when it had already been pointed out was not productive, but that's probably more down to my experiences than anything. With this though, I just wish I as someone who knows my horse and is not a compete incompetent could ask a straight question and get and answer... It's really starting to put me off this forum and that's what is ticking me off I suppose.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
also you know there are a lot of different opinions on what people think youngsters should be doing.... so even if people did just say yes and no you probably wouldn't be any clearer on whether it was or not
Goldenstar
Well-Known Member
Well just take a chill pill , it's really not getting riled about something like this the question you asked does not really have a black and white answer.
The forum is supposed to be fun and informative if your not enjoying don't .
However I hope you enjoy the show when it comes and I for one would enjoy hearing how it goes.
The forum is supposed to be fun and informative if your not enjoying don't .
However I hope you enjoy the show when it comes and I for one would enjoy hearing how it goes.
Queenbee
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also you know there are a lot of different opinions on what people think youngsters should be doing.... so even if people did just say yes and no you probably wouldn't be any clearer on whether it was or not
I know, I think I'm a bit hypersensitive at the mo... Apologies peeps x
Ha ha... Enjoy the show... I will need intravenous Valium! I have Twizzle hopefully taking some pics... I want to do well or at least not embarrass myself,.. But can't imagine doing a ridden class... But who knows... May catch the bug for next year!
jhoward
Demon exorcist...
JFTDWS
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Yep, as I said, I suppose the other thread riled me a bit, I just thought that regardless of everything the horse needed help and running the owner down for riding when it had already been pointed out was not productive, but that's probably more down to my experiences than anything. With this though, I just wish I as someone who knows my horse and is not a compete incompetent could ask a straight question and get and answer... It's really starting to put me off this forum and that's what is ticking me off I suppose.
QB, you're projecting your own situation onto that thread and getting emotionally involved - but the flaw is that your situation was completely different. Your girl was ill, you did everything you could for her and sadly it didn't turn out the way anyone hoped. The horse in that thread was neglected - pure and simple, not fed sufficiently, exercised heavily despite her condition. You made comments about sudden weight loss and illness, which were just not relevant (the OP couldn't even know if the weight loss was sudden as, by her own comments, she hadn't seen her for ages due to birth etc). Owners have a responsibility for their animal's welfare, and if they allow situations like this to arise, they need to be held to account for it - especially if they do not seem to be taking advice / evading certain important questions / oblivious to the issues. There was tonnes of good advice on that thread too, so hardly a disproportionate response to the situation.
How close is it to the anniversary? Is it that which is clouding your judgement? Anybody can understand that, these times are always hard.
With this thread, you asked a straight question and got a straight answer - it just wasn't the answer you were expecting, that is, that one of the premises of your question was flawed (in the opinion of a number of posters). To paraphrase:
"Is pessoa-lunging and hacking in the same day too much work for a rising 4 y/old?"
"Yes, pessoa-lunging is too much "hard" work for that age, the hacking is fine though".
That is a straight answer, whether you like it or not
Cortez
Tough but Fair
No, that is barely enough work to make any sort of difference to the horse's fitness and muscling; if preparing for a ridden class in 6 - 8 weeks time I would be doing more riding, as in schooling and hacking, and MUCH more than walking on the lunge (in fact I would never walk on the lunge anyway except for transitions). Twice a day is great and means the horse can do more beneficial work in shorter sessions. I know for a fact that you are FAR too sensible to overwork a young horse, so why do you care what we all think anyway?
ester
Not slacking multitasking
in hand cortez
Roasted Chestnuts
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My oldie gets 15mins on each rein walk/trot/canter in the Pessoa to help his suppleness and build muscle over his back without a rider.
Your workload sounds fine to me QB
Your workload sounds fine to me QB
Queenbee
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If you say so billie
lovely you are...Sadly not... We'd all be so much better off if they did
Ok, QB you should deffo revisit that thread where you quoted me and made your comment
Nope... Don't think I need to... Pretty sure of your comments...
Yep, I'm ok, as I said Hun, I'm sure I'm a bit sensitive at the mo but, at the same time, It just lets me have less tolerance for people who seem to use one topic as a platform for another.... It saddens me that people can't be straight.
also you know there are a lot of different opinions on what people think youngsters should be doing.... so even if people did just say yes and no you probably wouldn't be any clearer on whether it was or not
Definitely need one of those, and yes, it should be fun and informative but it should be responsive to your queries too. I got some answers to my questions on here but not without begging/pushing.... Surely that's not how it should be?
*snort*
Oh, your still alive... Horse not sold then?
QB, you're projecting your own situation onto that thread and getting emotionally involved - but the flaw is that your situation was completely different. Your girl was ill, you did everything you could for her and sadly it didn't turn out the way anyone hoped. The horse in that thread was neglected - pure and simple, not fed sufficiently, exercised heavily despite her condition. You made comments about sudden weight loss and illness, which were just not relevant (the OP couldn't even know if the weight loss was sudden as, by her own comments, she hadn't seen her for ages due to birth etc). Owners have a responsibility for their animal's welfare, and if they allow situations like this to arise, they need to be held to account for it - especially if they do not seem to be taking advice / evading certain important questions / oblivious to the issues. There was tonnes of good advice on that thread too, so hardly a disproportionate response to the situation.
How close is it to the anniversary? Is it that which is clouding your judgement? Anybody can understand that, these times are always hard.
With this thread, you asked a straight question and got a straight answer - it just wasn't the answer you were expecting, that is, that one of the premises of your question was flawed (in the opinion of a number of posters). To paraphrase:
"Is pessoa-lunging and hacking in the same day too much work for a rising 4 y/old?"
"Yes, pessoa-lunging is too much "hard" work for that age, the hacking is fine though".
That is a straight answer, whether you like it or not
Not the answer to the question I was asking... I asked is the hacking too much... But hey, you want to be deliberately obtuse which I never thought was your style... Go for it.
It's not a case of whether I like it or not, sadly many people decided to willfully misinterpret my question for their own ends. JFTD, if you had to give a straight forward answer to my exact question what would it be? Or is that beyond you, I really never had you down for that. Normally you are able to be rational on these things. I'm not asking for people's opinions on pessoas or lunging, but I don't even hold it against someone for voicing such opinions, even in a thread where they are not solicited, but only when people have the courtesy to address the question in hand as well... Is that such a problematic request?
Mongoose11
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How's the air up there QB?
Re: Advice on weight (or lack of)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billie1007
Actually QB I think this case is bordering on neglect so I think it is important that we don't pussy foot around the OP. She has been given good advice, even by those who have shared their shock at the fact that she has been hacking, cantering and jumping the mare in this condition. If you don't think it is right to speak out strongly about that then I'm afraid you're part of the problem!'
Then you said (while quoting me as above)....
'And how will you feel 'if' it goes the same way as my mare, and all you did was jump on her for riding her horse and not give support? Probably wouldn't care a damn.'
Might I recommend that you don't use the word 'you' if you don't mean 'you'?
Re: Advice on weight (or lack of)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billie1007
Actually QB I think this case is bordering on neglect so I think it is important that we don't pussy foot around the OP. She has been given good advice, even by those who have shared their shock at the fact that she has been hacking, cantering and jumping the mare in this condition. If you don't think it is right to speak out strongly about that then I'm afraid you're part of the problem!'
Then you said (while quoting me as above)....
'And how will you feel 'if' it goes the same way as my mare, and all you did was jump on her for riding her horse and not give support? Probably wouldn't care a damn.'
Might I recommend that you don't use the word 'you' if you don't mean 'you'?
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ELFSBELLS
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Don't you think that's enough now !!
In answer to your question QB, I don't think a short hack on the same day as a short session of lungeing will do any harm x
JFTDWS
+++ Out of Cheese Error +++
But is IS the answer to the question you were asking - I genuinely believe it is not me who is being deliberately obtuse at this point.
I cannot answer your question any more clearly than I already have. It is too much because of the lunging - you could do the same "amount" of work purely hacking and I'd say it was fine. I don't get how you can't see that this is my only possible, accurate, true answer to your question.
Can't you see that the nature of the work you are already doing influences the answer to the question? If not, then I guess I give up
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Mongoose11
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Clearly not.
Queenbee
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I must say Queenbee having stuck up for you in the past i have come to the conclusion you are not very well recently
DD... I questioned your purchasing of anky gear on fb, when you are proactively against rolkeur on here... I voiced my upset that instead of people talking about diet and treatment of a malnourished horse, so many people were only focusing on the riding which was bad but not the only issue... Now I'm being considered not well... Sorry but, piddled off I may be, annoyed at people's ability to not answer a straight question I am, but I'm not calling people every name under the sun like some who have needed a holiday in the past. One thread other than this and you think 'I'm not well' sorry if not running with the pack classes as unwell.... Believe me, I'm aware of what its like to be unwell, and I find it offensive that someone is considered unwell because they work their horse for a maximum of 45 mins (40 mins of which is in walk) per week on the lunge and stands up for their actions...
****, many of you bet on the grand national and two/three year olds racing, I hack my boy for a maximum of 30 mins 3 times a week and lunge him long and low for 15mins 3 times a week and for defending that strongly.. I'm unwell.
I asked for an opinion and the anti lunge brigade come out, do a search people and you will see that lunging and even Pessoa at this level and age is acceptable to some posters on here... But hey Ho, not this week apparently.
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jhoward
Demon exorcist...
Nope QB Henry is with me and being a youngster in a field at his young age.
Not strapped down by gadgets when he's just starting out his life.
I thank you for your concern.
Not strapped down by gadgets when he's just starting out his life.
I thank you for your concern.
Mongoose11
Well-Known Member
I think the suggestions about you being unwell are in relation to you being irrational and rude, not the fact that you lunge your horse.
For what it's worth videos show that Ben doesn't really go forward so using a Pessoa that might even give him a tiny bit of a backwards feeling really isn't going to be productive.
For what it's worth videos show that Ben doesn't really go forward so using a Pessoa that might even give him a tiny bit of a backwards feeling really isn't going to be productive.
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