Amy Tyron...????oppinion

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OK i haven't completely grasped this story but it's something like: Her horse went lame and she didn't realise (so she said-debatable?) and her horse had to be put down, therefore she was diciplined for not pulling up....(correct me if i'm wrong or if you have more info to add to this...)
I don't really have an oppinion on this because i don't know enough about it, but it seems odd to me that the fence judges who frequently pull riders up for harmles cutts and scrapes, failed to pull up a horse that was dog lame... surely they must take some of the responsiblity? I am in no way excusing Tyron but it is harder to feel lameness in canter/gallop then it is in walk and trot, however i haven't seen the film of it happening so i don't know if it is pheasable for her to say she hadn't noticed!?!

can anyone shed any light on this for me?
 
Oh oh too - I think if u get ur hands on the video it'll answer all your questions.

I was horrified to put it mildly as was my husband who is not horsey and said something along the lines of 'what the hell is wrong with that poor horse'.
 
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humm me thinks u may have opened a can of worms here!! i think plenty of things about her however i cannot say on here as what i think would be deframatory and admin will get mad!
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ok my opinion- she should have stopped, my 6 year old cousin knew to pull up his pony when it was lame, even though he was having fun...

i showed the video to several non horsey friends, and they could all pinpoint the moment le samurai went lame.

her punishment was pathetic as well

but heyho

*runs fast*
 
major can of worms here that should have been buried..... however, there are transporter loads of posts on this subject if you care to do the seach and if you can get to see the vid ( it was on youtube at one point) so much the better.

Now I am going to have to ask you to close your eyes and count to 10 while I run away and hide.
 
it's been gone over a million times and we have to be very careful what we say.
i haven't seen the footage, but have been told that it is very VERY obvious to anyone who watches it that the horse was very VERY lame. in front, i believe, which is easier to feel than a hindlimb lameness, when you are on top.
you cannot blame the fence judges - i have seen lame and exhausted horses ridden xc, and one which had broken a blood vessel and was bleeding profusely, but fence judges often do not get the time to see the problem, assess the situation, and get the right flag out and stop the competitor in time. at best, they can radio ahead for the rider to be stopped further on... this wasn't possible in AT's case, as the injury to the horse happened on the way to the last fence.
at the Euros last year a certain horse (mentioning no names) looked pretty lame behind for about 6 fences until the pain wore off, but no-one stopped him. in fact the horse did not even trot up the next morning iirc, so he had definitely incurred an injury, and really should have been stopped.
i think the adrenalin running in both horse and AT, and the fact that she was in the lead after dr, had gone clear and fast, and was coming to the last fence, had a very large influence on the situation.
she made a huge mistake, and imho was not punished enough for it.
however, i can think of other top riders who have ridden horses to collapsing point (and in at least one case death) who were not punished at the time.
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OK saw the video and she was SOOOOOOOOO wrong and i don't believe for one second that she didn't know it was lame.

But why the HELL didn't someone pull her up? i mean isn't that one of the reasons we have fence judges? It was mainly Tyrons responsibility as it's her horse, but i know fence judges have pulled me up before for blood on my horses nose which was clearly a surface scratch and wasn't pouring with blood, all you saw was a red scratch on his muzzle, so they surely should pull Tyron up when her horse was in that state? (not to excuse Tyron!) I think there should have been a harsher punishment on Tyron but i also think that more enquiries should have been directed towards the fence judges on why they failed to pull her up!!!!
 
the fence judges can't react that fast, usually. they have literally a few seconds to make the decision that something's wrong, then have to grab the correct coloured flag, etc etc. think of the speed at which the horse is approaching the fence, and it's often only just appeared over a hill/around a corner, etc etc.
it is the rider's responsibility, 100%.
there is also a huge responsibility on the fence judge - imagine if they stopped a top rider whose horse was momentarily wrong (e.g. after hitting a fence hard, sore for a bit but then fine) and which was totally sound within 30 secs of pulling up... you'd have a totally irate rider, owner, etc etc. it could affect the whole outcome of the competition. a lot of fence judges aren't that brave or that quick to make a snap judgement, i think!
btw, i was at the fence at Burghley 06 when the crowd stopped Lucinda Fredericks, because the 4 fence judges had all managed to forget that there would be another horse coming in a minute, and were all totally preoccupied with the fallen rider - who was in fact only winded, and said to me later that all she needed was a hand up (which none of them thought to offer her!) and she'd have gotten out of the way!
 
Oh god, not this again.

JessDoesItBetter - This happened a few months ago and basically the topic ruled this (and most other!) forums for some time.

Im totally against Amy Tryon for the choice she made that day. Im not saying anymore!
 
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Not defamatory if its all true! We're all allowed an opinion on what happened and what we think of her. Surely, being defamatory to someone is only when your opinions are unfounded?!
 
Whilst the Amy debate has been done to death, I do think fence judges are now far hotter on stopping people. I went to the Europeans this year and saw at least 3 riders stopped on course. One horse was exhausted and even the crowd were shouting at the bloke. They were very quick to get the red flags out.

So I suppose one good thing has come of this shameful display of 'riding'.
 
she is evil, there is absolutly NO WAY she couldnt feel how lame le samurai was.

she deserved a much more severe punishment, deserved her sponsers to drop her like a hot potato and should in my opinion never be allowed to compete again.

harsh you may say, but having seen the video this is the way i feel.

im running to teapots now!...........
 
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Not defamatory if its all true! We're all allowed an opinion on what happened and what we think of her. Surely, being defamatory to someone is only when your opinions are unfounded?!

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no there not infounded, very much based on fact but im not the best for expressing things that make me mad!
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I'm not running and hiding.

She is an incredibly cruel and selfish person that killed a horse. Which ever way you look at it she shouldn't be allowed to compete again because

A) she knowingly rode that horse to it's death

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B) she is such an awful rider that, as she claims, she couldn't feel that the horse was lame.

So she is wrong either thru greed or ignorance - take your pick - but she was very very very wrong
 
Well I love a debate, so I'm staying.

She cocked it up BIG TIME, granted, but what made my blood boil was the extent to some people here took it to the extreme. For example...
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she is evil, there is absolutly NO WAY she couldnt feel how lame le samurai was.

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I personally don't believe a mistake that lasted all of ten seconds gives justification for someone to call anyone evil. In my opinion "evil" would be used to describe someone who abuses over a sustained period of time.

I don't profess to know her at all, but she has always been though of very highly within the sport prior to this, and indeed after for that matter, which again suggests she made a single, albeit substainal, error. This does not call for the 'kill Tryon' type comments.
 
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Well I love a debate, so I'm staying.

She cocked it up BIG TIME, granted, but what made my blood boil was the extent to some people here took it to the extreme. For example...
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she is evil, there is absolutly NO WAY she couldnt feel how lame le samurai was.

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I personally don't believe a mistake that lasted all of ten seconds gives justification for someone to call anyone evil. In my opinion "evil" would be used to describe someone who abuses over a sustained period of time.


well that is my personal opinion. i felt the same as you to start with, but then when i read her account on the whole thing it was full of holes that made no sense and a rider of her calibre should feel a horse go lame - le samurai wasnt just lame, he was crippled - and she made the consious decision to continue and jump the last fence rather than pull up.
that in my eyes was evil and caused further suffering to the horse.
 
I missed all the previous debates and have not seen the video so while I couldn't offer a fair opinion on that actual case I'd just like to throw in a personal experience that does make me feel a bit sorry for her.

Bearing in mind that I am someone whom my own vets consider a bit of a hyperchondriac on my horse's behalf, once at a show I rode a pony over a fence and in canter in a showjump arena for at least ten seconds when it was only on three legs. It apparently stopped using a front leg on the approach to the jump and I was carrying on non the wiser until I heard people shouting stop. I swear I had no idea that pony was lame until it came down to trot still putting no weight at all on this leg. It turned out the pony was fine and within minutes came sound - weird but she must have had a dead leg or something. However for those few minutes just stood there thinking she'd broken her leg or at best done a tendon, I felt like the most disgusting person in the world and I just couldn't believe I hadn't felt it. I hadn't though, hand on heart that pony carried herself along in a forward canter entirely on three legs and I didn't have a clue. I know riding club isn't international three day eventing but I know from experience a horse can look terribly lame from the ground but it can feel less obvious on their back. I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.
 
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