An interesting fact......

i've responded in the other thread. when you've seen the full sequence of photos of that fall (that were published in H&H) i think you'll agree that that really isn't a 'tuck and roll' at all, it's a 'headstand and topple' with v. serious injuries received.
 
Ok I have found another sequence of images of that fall, and I agree the one they have shown does suggest there was more 'roll' then there actually was...my mistake
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Damn there being 2 threads this is getting confusing
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Lucretia, it's obvious you are not a fan of the point 2 jacket but to be slating them for their (very good) marketing campaign is a bit strange, considering your own career choice!

I think the majority of the horse owning public realise that top riders often wear kit because they are paid too. In fact the entire sponsorship & endorsement industry is based on people wearing kit plastered with logos. I don't see other companies getting grief for having riders wearing their kit!

Regarding the Exo, Woof Wear has recently been the subject of a management buy out & so is a stand alone company again. No idea if the right to manufacture the exo was included in the deal but if they were the fact that the company is now 100% equine again may mean the product is pushed more.
 
I must be missing something here.

Can anyone name any serious professional footballer/cricketer/motor racer/golfer/whatever who has paid for any of the kit they compete in? Did Zara P buy that enormous horse truck herself? Is that sneaky?

Were the wearers of this gear told to, or did they choose to? If they chose to wear it when they had a choice they must have believed it gave them an edge in surviving in one of the most dangerous sports on the planet.

Now if someone says there's factual evidence that your chances of injury are higher through wearing one then there's a valid point. But the participants in this sport as a whole have a very poor attitude to safety from work boots through horse handling and onwards. So new products which might save lives or limit injuries sound to me like a good idea which needs smarter marketing than do fashion jodhpurs.

I remember well a whispering campaign against airbags in cars (I am that old) which focused on the possible injuries if the occupant had his finger up his nose at the time of impact

Do enlighten me as the facts of this matter
 
while I am loath to show you this series of embarrasing photos of a fall I had,http://www.digitalpicy.co.uk/photocart/index.php?do=photocart&viewImage=109955
When you have looked at the series and stopped laughing,I ask you to look closely at how curled up I am(ok I do have a beer gut but the fall makes it look worse).If I had been ridgidly held through the torso,I am certain this would have broken my neck,If you look further on you will see me reunited with horse and continue.
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while I am loath to show you this series of embarrasing photos of a fall I had,http://www.digitalpicy.co.uk/photocart/index.php?do=photocart&viewImage=109955
When you have looked at the series and stopped laughing,I ask you to look closely at how curled up I am(ok I do have a beer gut but the fall makes it look worse).If I had been ridgidly held through the torso,I am certain this would have broken my neck,If you look further on you will see me reunited with horse and continue.
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What a sport you are, it is s delight to come across someone so prepared to 'share'. I hope you were OK, as that looked like quite a tumble, especially when you were actually UNDER your horse.

Thanks for the chuckle, my OH has tears rolling down her face and thinks you are 'a real man', which is quite something, as every time I fall off, she uses a completely different phrase (does 'complete numpty' mean the same thing?).

On a serious note, the fact you were forced into an inadvertent roll undoubtedly helped your fall. If you had had time to react and tense up or put your arms out, then you could have suffered some nasty injuries.
 
wow, that is some fall, you were lucky not to get trodden on as well.
SimonH, i am not mounting a 'whispering campaign', i am asking for testing to be done.
to those who say that riders wear sponsored stuff all the time, i think there's a huge difference. if i decide to wear a Toggi coat because they sponsor a certain rider, it is not safer or less safe than any other coat!
 
If I was competing at BE at ANY level I wouldn't hesitate to pay the money to buy one, or better still the body cage. I know both products can't guarantee to save your life (after all nothing can) but having heard and seen some pretty horrendous accidents in my life I am POSITIVE I would buy one straight away. I always wear my skull cap and body protector when I go on pleasure rides, I don't care how hot I get so long as I am protected. Having woken up in intensive care and been carted off on a stretcher on another occassion anything that would help lessen any potential injuries has got to be worth it. I don't think making them compulsory woudl be fair unless the manufacturers were prepared to do a 'pay over installments' type idea which will obviously cost a lot of money to do.
 
With regards to the Point Two jacket not having been tested I have been informed, when I last spoke to the office, that Xray tests of the neck have been undertaken to ensure that there is no kinking or step of the spine caused by the Point Two jacket. These Xrays have been examined by an independant consultant to ensure that the jacket causes no adverse effects on the neck. At request of the BE doctors these Xrays have been forwarded on to the them and Point Two are awaiting a response.
It is at this point the only air jacket in the world that is CE approved.
 
having done a lot of looking into them, i wouldn't wear one. they make the torso go rigid (with the shock of it going off as well as pressure!) and a lot of riders in them land on top of their heads - either because of the rigidity which stops one from instinctively rolling into a ball, or because the lanyard slightly directs the fall before giving, or for some other reason. on top of your head is the worst way you can possibly fall.
because they make the torso rigid, the most flexible bit of the spine becomes the neck (already very vulnerable), and imho you are more likely to break your neck in a point2, because it stops you from tucking and rolling, and because it stiffens the rest of the spine. just mho, to which i am entitled, before anyone deletes...
btw, i think Faith Cook's fall at Bramham is a perfect, if horrible, example of what i'm trying to say.
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Where is the CO2 canister located? Having seen / heard about nasty injuries from people with mobile phones etc in their pockets / clipped to the waist, surely the placement of the cannister is an important factor?
 
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while I am loath to show you this series of embarrasing photos of a fall I had,http://www.digitalpicy.co.uk/photocart/index.php?do=photocart&viewImage=109955
When you have looked at the series and stopped laughing,I ask you to look closely at how curled up I am(ok I do have a beer gut but the fall makes it look worse).If I had been ridgidly held through the torso,I am certain this would have broken my neck,If you look further on you will see me reunited with horse and continue.
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Oh dear. I'm sorry to say I laughed for quite a long time! I'm glad you were OK!!
 
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