An ongoing animal abuse case (TW)

[TPO]

Also had child abuse material on computer, I really hope that Aussie laws are more severe than our own. He should never see the light of day again.

I've other done any fact-checking but what I've seen floated about online is max 5yrs for animal abuse resulting in death, 3yrs for possession child p0rn and 2yrs for beastiality.

If they are correct I don't know if that would be per animal or event, or one sentence for all of the abuse.

I don't know of sentences would run concurrently or consecutively.

I hope his fellow inmates dish out some karma

 

[AmyMay]

I've other done any fact-checking but what I've seen floated about online is max 5yrs for animal abuse resulting in death, 3yrs for possession child p0rn and 2yrs for beastiality.

If they are correct I don't know if that would be per animal or event, or one sentence for all of the abuse.

I don't know of sentences would run concurrently or consecutively.

I hope his fellow inmates dish out some karma

There has to come a point, though, where a person is so psychologically f’d up/perverse that you simply throw away the key - surely???

 

[Errin Paddywack]

There has to come a point, though, where a person is so psychologically f’d up/perverse that you simply throw away the key - surely???

You would hope so.

 

[bonny]

There has to come a point, though, where a person is so psychologically f’d up/perverse that you simply throw away the key - surely???

The scary thing is though that if any of us had met him before in all probability we would have enjoyed his company and thought he was an ok bloke.
its hard not to wonder how many men have secret sexual desires. I say men because it is always men who are caught although his wife must have known.

 

[Asha]

I find it hard to believe she didn’t know/ have an idea of something not right . Lots of animals disappearing , then there’s a huge great container with all his ‘stuff’ in . Wouldn’t anyone wonder where all the pets had gone ? Or even looked into the container ??

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

I came across an article on this initially that had more information than I wanted to know - the crimes were utterly beyond the imagination of any remotely normal person. There is no hope of rehabilitating this man, something went seriously wrong in his development, and there is no way back. I have absolutely zero hesitation in saying that I would support the death penalty here, and I am not someone who supports that as an idea generally.

 

[TPO]

I find it hard to believe she didn’t know/ have an idea of something not right . Lots of animals disappearing , then there’s a huge great container with all his ‘stuff’ in . Wouldn’t anyone wonder where all the pets had gone ? Or even looked into the container ??

I don't think the dogs were around for long or taken to the family home. He obtained them via Gumtree etc and took photos so he'd have ones to send to the old owners should they ever ask for an update. They've pieced together that he sent updates and photos long after the dogs were gone.

Out of 42 known abused dogs 39 of them are dead. He abused his 2 pet dogs and they are 2 of the 3 that are still alive, presumably because his wife would notice if they weren't. His wife has moved away and changed her name and all of the newspapers have gone to great pains to emphasis that she had no involvement.

It's definitely all on him and I don't think it's fair for anyone to imply that she "must have known". Lots of people do lots of horrible things and no one would ever have known.

 

[Asha]

I don't think the dogs were around for long or taken to the family home. He obtained them via Gumtree etc and took photos so he'd have ones to send to the old owners should they ever ask for an update. They've pieced together that he sent updates and photos long after the dogs were gone.

Out of 42 known abused dogs 39 of them are dead. He abused his 2 pet dogs and they are 2 of the 3 that are still alive, presumably because his wife would notice if they weren't. His wife has moved away and changed her name and all of the newspapers have gone to great pains to emphasis that she had no involvement.

It's definitely all on him and I don't think it's fair for anyone to imply that she "must have known". Lots of people do lots of horrible things and no one would ever have known.

I get the point about not being part of it . But I fail to believe she didn’t know something was wrong . I’m not saying she must have known exactly what he was doing . As who could even think that someone they know / loved would be capable of that . But she must have seen some change in his behaviour and there must have been a change in behaviour of his pet dogs when he started to abuse them

 

[SilverLinings]

I don't think the dogs were around for long or taken to the family home. He obtained them via Gumtree etc and took photos so he'd have ones to send to the old owners should they ever ask for an update. They've pieced together that he sent updates and photos long after the dogs were gone.

Out of 42 known abused dogs 39 of them are dead. He abused his 2 pet dogs and they are 2 of the 3 that are still alive, presumably because his wife would notice if they weren't. His wife has moved away and changed her name and all of the newspapers have gone to great pains to emphasis that she had no involvement.

It's definitely all on him and I don't think it's fair for anyone to imply that she "must have known". Lots of people do lots of horrible things and no one would ever have known.

It is extremely rare that the wives/partners of men charged with crimes against children knew what they were doing (except for the high profile cases where the women were involved or in some way facilitated the offending), and I expect bestiality is the same. As he got away with it for so long I think it unlikely his wife knew as she would have had to either be involved or at least not see a problem with such behaviour (otherwise presumably she would have reported him), and the police have said she wasn't involved in any way. I feel for her as it must be hugely traumatising to find out that the apparently 'normal' man you married was actually hiding (and exercising) such horrific tendencies. I hope that she is able to access some specialist support.

The only way I can 'understand' people like this man (or any abuser of children or person who treats animals or humans sadistically) is to believe that they have a serious psychological defect, and that they were born with something in their brain not being formed correctly. I do not in any way mean that this excuses them, but this behaviour is surely far beyond the reaches of most humans, however they were brought up, or whatever they have been exposed to in life. I find it hard to believe that he would ever be safe to be let back out into society.

 

[SilverLinings]

I get the point about not being part of it . But I fail to believe she didn’t know something was wrong . I’m not saying she must have known exactly what he was doing . As who could even think that someone they know / loved would be capable of that . But she must have seen some change in his behaviour and there must have been a change in behaviour of his pet dogs when he started to abuse them

But the reason that paedophiles get away with it for so long is that they are so good at hiding it from the people close to them. They are not all loners, a lot of men caught were previously thought to be happily married 'normal' men.

I unfortunately come across child victims through work, and the perpetrators continued for so long purely because they are so good at appearing normal. Some men abuse their own children without their wife/partner knowing.

 

[TPO]

But the reason that paedophiles get away with it for so long is that they are so good at hiding it from the people close to them. They are not all loners, a lot of men caught were previously thought to be happily married 'normal' men.

I unfortunately come across child victims through work, and the perpetrators continued for so long purely because they are so good at appearing normal. Some men abuse their own children without their wife/partner knowing.

Exactly, look at Ian Watkins from The Lost Prophets. I can't even begin to explain his heinous crimes but his bandmates (shared tour buses etc), family etc were none the wiser - heck he was dating Fearne Cotton and was a well known celeb at that time. So yes, these people are extremely good at hiding their perversions.

 

[SadKen]

I don’t believe the state should play a role in violence against prisoners.

Has anyone seen the film Law Abiding Citizen?

I wish I had not even seen the headline.

 

[skinnydipper]

I don’t believe the state should play a role in violence against prisoners.

He is a vile, depraved, evil creature so with great reluctance I'll suggest a compromise. Death by lethal injection, though personally I think he deserves to suffer a long, slow and torturous death.

 

[YorksG]

Part of the reason that these people (mostly men) continue uninterrupted in their paraphelias, is that the majority of people prefer to believe that these things don't happen. Sadly they are wrong and people continue to get away with extremely depraved behaviour.

 

[SadKen]

He is a vile, depraved, evil creature so with great reluctance I'll suggest a compromise. Death by lethal injection, though personally I think he deserves to suffer a long, slow and torturous death.

I believe he deserves the same - he deserves what he did to those animals, but I don’t believe the State should administer it. Which is why I referenced the Law Abiding Citizen movie. I would not have reported it. The State must out of obligation not inflict violence on prisoners. Natural Justice would be far better served in this instance by citizens with the capacity and will to act, as it was in Law Abiding Citizen, rather than expecting the appropriate punishment from the State. This man cannot be locked up for life as far as I’m aware, and therefore justice will not be served by any punishment the State can impose. He will be protected as that is the State’s obligation. He will be considered for rehabilitation and parole as that is the State’s obligation. My point is, it would be better not to involve the State, given those limitations - and for citizens to craft the punishment that SHOULD be delivered.

You would need to have seen the movie to see the point I’m trying to make, as I don’t want to get banned.

 

[skinnydipper]

You would need to have seen the movie to see the point I’m trying to make, as I don’t want to get banned.

I haven't seen the film but I have now read the plot.

 

[CorvusCorax]

I've skimmed over a lot of it as I don't want to know the detail, but a girl who went to school with me married a guy that's been done for child porn, we all ran about together for years, I thought he was a bit of a creep/cheater but nothing like that. They have their own kids.

Anyway, point is, the conclusion of the court case was months ago and for a long time she couldn't accept it, said he'd been framed, tried to explain it away as kinky/S&M stuff when some of the images were in the worst category. She fell out with those who believed it.
She is only now realising that it was all true/separating from him.

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

Can the judge hand out more than the maximum sentence for something, if the crime is above and beyond the 'normal' parameters of the crime?

 

[ycbm]

Can the judge hand out more than the maximum sentence for something, if the crime is above and beyond the 'normal' parameters of the crime?

Sadly I don't think so, other than running the sentences consecutive rather than concurrent, which would be very likely to be appealed as it's so unusual. I agree it is overdue to update sentencing to reflect how we now understand and feel about animal sentience.

I can't read about this case, it's beyond bearing to know any of the details. I'm not someone to call for death penalties but it feels like flaying this man to death would be too lenient a penalty.
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