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Is it possible to get one which 4yrs and over (backed or unbacked) of 15.3hh and over UNDER the £5k mark? It's not is it......? Everything Ive seen on the internet is at least £10,000! Not that Im looking or anything........
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BD have some very good breeders in their magazine and im sure you could get one for your budget.
 
Absolutely VERY possible - just don't buy from the ridiculously over inflated internet sites that aim to catch the Brits and make them pay through the nose
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Agree with Weezy
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Best bet is to actually go to spain and have a look round for what you want (although really you need to take someone with you who knows the lingo obviously).

The Iberians are rather fashionable here atm and dealers know that...
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Echo Weezy - stear clear of those sites!

Going rate for a 15.3 4yo fully papered is about £6 - £6.5, they used to be more expensive but slowly coming down. Beware imported horses that have been 'backed' in Spain, the training may not be what you want
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A friend of mine has just bought a beautiful 16.2 5yo gelding here in the UK for £6,750 - feeling quite proud as I found him for her and she loves him to bits
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I think with the PREs that in the UK it is very possible to pay over inflated prices for poor quality horses, but horses that are high quality horses will always be pricey because of that quality – same as with other breeds. For the 15 - 15.3hh range prices of 6 - 8k are very do-able and for fully papered, cracking lines and very nicely trained at a basic level.

Some of the xs price in the UK for those who import to sell on is of course the on-cost of travel and livery (travel being around £820 for a single horse now) although I appreciate that the bigger importers benefit from a reduced transport cost due to numbers.

I have seen examples of a people being sold horses where the dealer that, whilst not telling lies about the horse, certainly did not explain the full information surrounding paperwork, the difference between papered and un-papered horses and the impact this has on their real value. Arguably this is not necessarily a dealers role as a buyer should do their homework – BUT when someone starts looking at a breed that is new to them, I personally feel that professional dealers should take an active role in fully explaining the paperwork that goes with the breed and what the would-be purchaser needs to know both in terms of what they are buying and the paperwork registration in the UK. In the cases I have seen owners have paid PRE prices for non PRE horses.

Also worth bearing in mind that you will pay more for a bay/black/chestnut and the other relatively newly allowed colours. Greys are the cheapest option and once you hit the 16hh and above mark the horses do tend to be in another price bracket - generally. I am generalising about PREs with full papers (ie graded if 3 years and above, inscripted if younger than 3) not part or non-papered horses.

I go with a rule of thumb
0 – 3 years the horse should be inscripted and be £3 – 5k depending on quality and colour
3 –4 years grey and 15 – 15.3hh the horse should be graded (APTO) for breeding and nicely started price £4.5 – 11
5 years and above the horse should definitely be graded and most likely will be £7k + up the ????????
With the rule of thumb – this is for buying in Spain so transport costs apply, the range is from ‘OK’ quality to ‘very good’ quality. With this if you add a colour different than grey then add about £1000 and if you go over 16hh again add about £1000. VERY approx and there will always be exceptions, but roughly speaking from a nice quality stud with professional trainers in place this is what I would expect.

Thought this might help anyone who is not familiar with the breed (I know this is not true of you Weezy) but wondering if they are about to pay over inflated prices. Also worth reading if you go down the Spanish route is ‘This is the Spanish Horse’ by Juan Llamas – this has good descriptions/photos of breed type with examples of good and bad in the Spanish horse so you can judge better what you are buying. Web site ELPRE also does this http://www.equiandalusian.com/inicio.cfm

Weezy – pm me if you want a 16.2 - but it is a mare. Happy to help anyone if I can.

Happy hunting – for the best breed in the world – IMHO!
 
they go for ridiculous prices! i think it would be best to import one yourself tbh, weezy knows a bit about them i think, not my cup of tea personally, but good luck if you are looking
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Whilst I agree that there are some poor quality horses in the UK, there are also a lot of very good quality british bred PREs, the trouble is that there are a lot of agents now and british breeders are finding it hard to sell their quality home grown stock, hence many of them giving up. I have seen some very good horses imported into the UK but have also seen very many bad ones either with incomplete papers or simply just c+ap. In my experience UK grown stock is less likely to have paper troubles.
 
Well I may have just purchased unpapered crap or got myself a very nice horse, depends on your view I think
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15hh, dark bay and 8 years old. Picutres have been in the gallery and under your budget.

I was just after a fun horse so papers really didn't mean anything to me.

Am very very pleased with my boy and looking around I still haven't found anything remotley as nice for the same price.
 
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Very true - interesting that people are struggling to sell them, I thought I would have this problem with mine (pure and parts) particularly with my remote location - but thus far have sold all that I needed to. Fingers crossed I haven't just been lucky to date.

I wonder if some of the difficulties is that UK breeding of PREs is still relatively young, and many breeders (me included) have only got very young stock to sell and often people want the done deal - or have not got the confidence to hope they have a good horse in a young foal - especially if buying the 1 - 2 years bracket where they can go a bit ugly!

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He looks lovely - congrats for finding him - part breds are fantastic, and in many ways tick more boxes for people than the PREs. Papers are only important at the end of the day if you want to do the breeding thing. There are plenty of classes for the partbreds and the more they get out and prove the merit of breeding with Spanish horses the better.

Good luck with him
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wonder if some of the difficulties is that UK breeding of PREs is still relatively young, and many breeders (me included) have only got very young stock to sell and often people want the done deal - or have not got the confidence to hope they have a good horse in a young foal - especially if buying the 1 - 2 years bracket where they can go a bit ugly!

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Nail on head there I think!
 
Your boy looks lovely Ali and in no way did I mean he was crap, you will not have full papers because he is a partbred and no one said he was any different, the crap I am talking about is the stuff that's passed as PRE, charged for as PRE and isn't PRE.

Incidentally, my mare was imported by the people you got your boy from
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StPiransStud - Thanks for all the info! Must say Ive looked at your site and love your horse for sale Alagado IV, looks like he has a fabulous nature! Shame he's so small!

AliBabe - What is your lovely boy crossed with?

Does anybody know if these horses naturally jump well? I mean, I have a Luso x who is fantastic and is doing well SJ & eventing. I know these horses would have a great attitude to it but Im assuming they'd jump well too? The only 2 Ive really heard of are 2 Lusitano's - the one who did Badminton a few weeks ago and Novilhero (sp!) ridden by one of the Whitakers.
 
We had a grade A show jumper from down here come and teach Bierzo, he said after 2 sessions that he was a 1 m 60 horse - but I am a chicken so he won't do it! Our old stallion Mendiondo use to jump 3 ft 10 off a couple of trot strides in our 13 x 23 m indoor - so I would say a definite yes to the show jumping. I think you may loose it a bit when eventing with a purebred if - like Bierzo - it has lots of movement, I reckon they would be fine in the lower levels but no sure they would make the gallop pace (not from a stamina point of view) at the upper levels - though obviously the dressage they would they excel at.

If a good quality big horse is what you are interested in look at
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