animal communicator has spoken to pilgrim - your thoughs???

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Ok so, you may remember my post about 10 days ago ref my TB who i have had for 4yrs and had lots of problems with.
well after all your wonderful advise i rung and got an appointment with an animal communicator.

Now basically some of the things she has said are so true and nobody else knows them. The problem is the answers my horse has given us leave me in 2 minds.

Basically a quick recap, this is the horse who has the most ability i have seen in a non competing horse (ie not better than a 4* horse but on the same wave length) but is always very nappy when i compete him and quite simply a pig.

well the first things he had to say to me were (please remember she had no info for either of us before the conversation)
He said he is not naughty for the sake of it, it is not on perpose and he has tried to show me this by being so good to handle.
Which yes he is, in 4yrs he has never put a hoof out of place, honestly he is everyones dream to handle.

He then went on to talk about being in pain. He said that his body wont allow what i ask of him. He said (and yes this came from the 'middle man' and not my words) that as he is so high behind, the saddle is going forwards and thumping into his shoulders.
This all makes a lot of sense as he has a banana shaped back.

He also went on to say that his near foreleg hurt.

He said he has a holiday, feels really well when he starts work and as the weeks go on his muscles hurt more and more. and guess what....when i start to work him he is great and as the weeks go on he get more and more naughty.

anyway, he has said he cant physically do dressage, he said it is all too hard and his body cant cope with it. He also said he can't fight me anymore :(

He then went on to say he loves the jumping but im not jumping him high enough, he said 4'6'' (we jump 3'3'' at home and 2'6'' out) he said it has to be done his way though he said point him at the jump and he would get us over it. He said he can't do it 'by the book' as that means holding an outline, but if i leave him to go the way he knows is comfy he will do it. ?????????????

so i then asked about eventing.....he said he cant do the dressage and some xc is ok but the uneven ground hurt his body too much. he said sjing on a level surface is great, he can see it all and know what he needs to do but xc can sometimes hurt (he sjed clear at the weekend and got eliminated at the steps xc)

He then went on to say that a sjing horse would not be enough for me (as in his owner (so confusing)) and that if i wanted to sell him as a sjer i could and he would make me proud :(
I said to the 'middle man' that that would be a problem as i don't sell my horses (im too soppy!) and he said that i had done it once before and questioned me that it wasnt so bad was it????

all this is true, i have only ever sold one horse and actually found it very easy but then it was a section A.

the other thing he asked for, and the MM actually said she hoped she had this right as it is an expensive request, he asked for the equisage to go on him everyday, he said it really helped........i have an equisage sat in the tack room that i only use once in a blue moon.

He then finished up by saying 'let the girl look at me'. Outside waiting to treat him was my back lady............she found him very tight all along the back again and (i feel very bad i didnt see it) he is lame in his left front.

I'm sorry this is so long winded but this is quite scary and causing a hugh problem now if i decide to listen. I really, really dont want to sell him as he is such a nice horse.

what can i do to sort out the saddle problem??? and all the rest of it for that matter???

do i beleive it or decide that she must of come to all these conclusions by talking to me and finding out what sort of person i am?????

Oh and one last thing .....he said i feed expensive food........Baileys outshine :)

Glass of wine and cheese cake if anyone made it all the way through and hasn't decided i need a trip to the doc's yt :)
 
well, I'm a believer. I am sure some of them are total charlatans, but some are not. was this AD, by the way?
I am not a fan of sjing horses in an outline anyway, why not try doing it 'his way', where you are in charge of the rhythm, speed etc but he's allowed to put his head wherever he wants (some great sjers over the years have gone like this).
If a lot of it was sooo accurate, I would go with it and see how he improves with the Equissage every day (very interesting, that) and it may be that, having had a chance to tell you, he'll be more relaxed etc.
If he'll be happier showjumping (and your last outing makes it sound as if he made his feelings clear then) then I think that's what I'd want him to do. "never try to teach a pig to sing" and all that...
*awaits men in white coats brandishing straitjacket*
 
Sounds very interesting, i have to admit to never being a beleiver but i would quite like to get one to look at my horse . Who was it that you used and do they have a website or does anyone know of a 'respected' one. Also are the expensive? Sorry to Hijack.
 
not at all :)

i used Jackie Weaver, if you google her you will find her website. i think its worth it as i think it is not expensive - especially as she new my horse was hurting and then we found he was slightly lame an i have missed it!!!
 
Jackie Weaver is local to me, i have heard good and bad things about her, im not a believer myself but from what iv just read in your post i dont see how she can make that suff up.

I hope you can sort your horse out :)
 
That's really interesting, I have been googling animal communicators today in my lunch hour. I don't have a specific problem with my horse but I really would love to hear what she has to say. The only thing stopping me (and this is really daft) is what if I hear that my horse hates me or my riding? :)

It would be really interesting to find out what happens if you follow your horse's wishes!
 
Quite apart from whether or not you believe this particular communicator what she's saying makes sense so even if the horse didn't "tell" her it lines up with what's been happening.

Horses with the conformation mentioned often have problems with the saddle sitting on their shoulders, refusal to jump off steps/banks if often shoulder related etc. And almost any degenerative condition/tack related issue is going to improve with rest or even a change of routine then reappear (often worse) when the level of work is resumed or increased. They physio agrees with the "diagnosis" and it seems everyone also agrees that the horse is not completely sound in front. So the fact that he's struggling with the work isn't so surprising. (Btw, this doesn't take away from the communicator, I'm just saying the pieces fit.)

As far as *how* the horse show jumps, it is probably the easiest discipline for an idiosyncratic - even a technically unsound - horse to succeed at. Since the only measure of success is leaving the jumps up, if the horse can its issues and develop a sustainable, practical way to get that done then there's no problem. I know some jumpers who are held together by spit and good luck, but they continue to do their jobs.

As far as going "in an outline" that's not essential. It's too complicated to go into but even at GP level the horse are not jumping in an outline, at least not the same one for all. It's also not the only school of thought and there have been people who have jumped at the top level who do not ride their horses that way, it's only in vogue now for various reasons that again, aren't really pertinent.

I leased a horse for a client who had melanomas in his throat and so could not stand ANY pressure that closed his throat or tipped his nose down. He could not be ridden in any sort of an outline (or even correctly over his back, in dressage terms) or he'd completely freak out. But he was a fantastic school master and won a lot, we just had to accommodate his situation. The owner (who had been keen to get rid of him) took him back because of his success with us and tried to event him, which basically resulted in him going back to being broken and dangerous. :(

As to the OP, it's obviously up to you how to proceed but from what you say, it does seem the horse is telling you many of the same things as the communicator. You can obviously persevere and see what happens but you seemed to be feeling that wasn't the best path even before you spoke to the communicator. You could try things "his way" and see if there's a way to get him riding and winning that doesn't break him. Then decide to keep or sell. (Even if you want to sell, he'll do better if he's doing a job well and you can show people how to get the best of him.)

I think the biggest question might be the lameness. If there is something serious brewing in there (he's not to know, even if his is communicating, any more than we know what's going on inside our own bodies) then there might be something in there, that even if you sort a system for him, will prevent him from doing the job anyway.
 
I have found it very helpfull in the past. I would give the advice a go and see how he progresses. I've used Jackie before and she was very helpfull at getting my Horse over his ditch phobia.
I have used a different communicator recently (Anne Towill) who was a godsend.

In terms of the saddle. The only thing would be a very very good fitter and possibly a custom made saddle. Kay Humphries perhaps? You do need to watch with custom made though as I recently went down that route and it wrecked my Horse's back. I have gone back to a saddle co saddle and I'll never use anything again (unless I ever own a Horse they don't fit). I reckon I was very unlucky.

If he wants to be a showjumper then I reckon you need to let him. But, you can try it first to be sure!

Showjumping in an outline? Crikey mine would have a fit if I asked him to do that!
 
PS He sounds like a lovely Horse who clearly is trying his best. One thing I've learned from various communications is to trust your own instincts as they are usually always correct.
 
I am just very confused. My back lady treated him and told me that despite what he wants, he will have to still do lots of flat work as she said without it his back would not be strong enough to jump. She believes if he goes round as he wants to he will do more damage???????

He asked for a sheepskin pad under his saddle to ease the bruising on his shoulders, I said a numnah but he said no one of the half pads the sjers usually use. I have never used one but as I have one I will give It a go.

He has asked for 3 weeks of and then start sjing which he can have. I don't think I will start at 4'6" as he wants to, maybe 3'0".

I think I may also get him blood tested to check his muscles are ok as they are very tight and go from there, oh and get that leg investigated.
 
I totally do not buy this at all. Don't really get the whole principal but aside from that, do people really believe that a horse is clever enough to tell someone he wants to jump 4'6'' and wear a fluffy numnah like SJers wear?

Not meaning to be negative but it sounds far too specific to be at all true to me.
 
Starbucks I do see where your coming from but there were things said that Jackie just couldn't of known, such as I own an equisage and he was lame in front.
As I currently don't have anywhere to go with pilgrim other than the hunt kennels as his behaviour is so bad I will give the sjing a go once he is sound and go from there. I figure I have nothing to loose x
 
Starbucks, I think the specificness of it is what is convincing. I found the same when I went to a medium, she knew very very specific things about me, my family history, etc etc that nobody could have just guessed.
If this communicator had said that the horse conveyed "i like eating grass and apples and carrots and doing nothing in the field, don't work me any more" then I'd have thought that was a huge easy generalisation.
fwiw the lady I used was also very specific and spot on...
I realise a lot of people will think we're utter loonies for trying this but tbh I've been at the end of my tether before with a horse, and if it's this or the bullet then why not give this a go?
 
I really would be intrigued to hear what my horse had to say (although he probably actually would say I don't feed him enough and he wants more time off :p ) I'd probably end up with one of the charlatans :rolleyes:

Can anyone recommend one who'll travel to Yorkshire? I'd love to ask him if he wants to come to my wedding! :D

ETA My horse to my wedding, not the communicator :D
 
Kerilli I agree with you, he doesn't have that many options so this is really worth following up.
Everyone is entitled to there opinion and I do praise ppl for voicing them but I also say don't knock it till you try it, ref the numnah, it was mentioned as 'he thought' it may help to stop the saddle bruising his shoulders as opposed to 'i want to look like a sjer'.

Oh I have to admit this is very weird :)
 
aregona, i'd definitely look into different saddles... tree shape at the front can make a huge difference, I remember being told years ago by a saddler that a certain v popular close-contact jumping saddle had a tree which, because of its shape, came forward and downwards onto the shoulders, especially when landing over fences.
Stencilface, this is the weirdest part of all... they don't need to meet the horse, they can do it at a distance, often from a photo and the horse's name.
I used Ann Dee with great success, was very impressed by her accuracy. Have recommended her and she was very good again.
 
I have been stood in a stable with a Horse and a communicator who somehow, conveyed specific pain from the Horse to me. It was very painfull and in no way could have been faked! I also felt the emotion. I can't say I enjoyed the experience but it made a believer out of me. I didn't enjoy it because I didn't know how to control it, but the communicator was able to control it and then remove it. Very hard to describe. I have also seen another well up within seconds of touching an animal.

For me it's like this saying - the ONLY saddle fitter you can trust is the Horse that wears the saddle. Also, no matter what someone feeling muscles says they aren't the Horse that's using those muscles. You have to remember that Horses will generally put up with pain quite a bit, as will a lot of riders. Think about how many people (in eventing especially) ride with injuries causing pain. In this case it sounds like he will tolerate showjumping as the surface is level and forgiving (well, mostly). Dressage must be asking too much of his body and XC puts too much strain with the varying gradients. In SJ he can adapt. You do sometimes see some very high level SJ's jumping awkwardly and you wonder if it's for the same reason. I've seen some turn their whole body sideways over fences.

To give you an example I recently got my own Horse a custom made saddle. It caused serious bruising to his back. The only sign he gave me was making faces when I tacked him up. He was fine to ride. He must have put up with quite a bit of pain. I still feel terrible now but because it was custom made I looked at all the alternative causes. He's now in a new version of his old saddle and within 2 rides the faces stopped.

From what I have heard, the Horse doesn't 'say' "4'6" but shows pictures and the communicator interprits. For this reason you have to accept that accuracy will not be 100%.

I would also in your case suggest equine bowen therapy. It doesn't just treat the back but the whole animal and is amazingly effective.
 
kerilli said:
I found the same when I went to a medium, she knew very very specific things about me, my family history, etc etc that nobody could have just guessed.
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Same happened to me, she also told me things that would happen in the future, and they have.

would love to have a communicator out to see our horses, as would one of my friends, I will happily join the straight jacket crew can anyone recommend somebody in the Notts Derby area?
 
I'm a believer! I've had a couple of readings and they were incredibly accurate about random things that they just couldn't have known or guessed at. One time in particular I lost a horse in horrid circumstances although didn't tell them what happened and the communicator td me exactlywhat happened, where we were at the time etc.

Agree that there are phonies out there but don't knock it till you've tried it!
 
suzysparkle said:
I have been stood in a stable with a Horse and a communicator who somehow, conveyed specific pain from the Horse to me. It was very painfull and in no way could have been faked! I also felt the emotion. I can't say I enjoyed the experience but it made a believer out of me. I didn't enjoy it because I didn't know how to control it, but the communicator was able to control it and then remove it. Very hard to describe. I have also seen another well up within seconds of touching an animal.
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I think people might be surprised how many people have similar experiences, most often without admitting it, many times probably without understanding what's going on.
 
suzysparkle said:
I have been stood in a stable with a Horse and a communicator who somehow, conveyed specific pain from the Horse to me. It was very painfull and in no way could have been faked! I also felt the emotion. I can't say I enjoyed the experience but it made a believer out of me. I didn't enjoy it because I didn't know how to control it, but the communicator was able to control it and then remove it. Very hard to describe. I have also seen another well up within seconds of touching an animal.
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]I think it'd take that to make a believer out of me...... can you pm me the persons details if you remember them. :)
 
The Bowen lady who I use also communicates. Don't knock it 'til you've tried it is all I would say. I used to be the world's biggest sceptic but I'm a convert now ;) I do find it quite funny that most of the requests I get from my mare seems to concern food and eating, I always thought we had a lot in common :o
 
kerilli said:
Starbucks, I think the specificness of it is what is convincing. I found the same when I went to a medium, she knew very very specific things about me, my family history, etc etc that nobody could have just guessed.
If this communicator had said that the horse conveyed "i like eating grass and apples and carrots and doing nothing in the field, don't work me any more" then I'd have thought that was a huge easy generalisation.
fwiw the lady I used was also very specific and spot on...
I realise a lot of people will think we're utter loonies for trying this but tbh I've been at the end of my tether before with a horse, and if it's this or the bullet then why not give this a go?
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See I'm not a believer in mediums etc. but can understand that others may do and that I might be wrong on that one. My main confusion is that it's generally believed that horses are not that smart. Not smart enough to be naughty because they can't be arsed today, not smart enough to recognize themselves in a mirror.. so how are they smart enough to tell someone they want to jump 4'6''??
 
Starbucks said:
See I'm not a believer in mediums etc. but can understand that others may do and that I might be wrong on that one. My main confusion is that it's generally believed that horses are not that smart. Not smart enough to be naughty because they can't be arsed today, not smart enough to recognize themselves in a mirror.. so how are they smart enough to tell someone they want to jump 4'6''??
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I think horses are just incredibly nice people, so we think they are a bit dim. The non-verbal communication they use is well beyond us. I watch my mare in her little herd, or hack out with one of her buddies, and there is a lot going on there and I don't think it's just body language. If that was the case, sticking a gimp suit on her when she's got her full fllyrug/fannyflap/flymask/muzzle outfit on in summer would basically mean she would be unable to communicate without making sounds. That's not what happens though. I guess some people can tap into this dialogue.

You know, if my 25 year old self was reading this she would probably be going 'OMFG what happened, was it all that cider I drank at Uni?' :o Hey ho!
 
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Ok. The one who conveyed the painfull feelings was Isobel Hogton. I also saw the Reiki energy visibly pulsing down the skin.

The saddle fitter and Bowen man who also does Reiki is Norman Hyett. I couldn't recommend a saddle fitter or Bowen therapist more than him. He spends a lot of time in South Africa and does it purely for the Horses. I believe he's based near Cheltenham but travels a lot - as you can see from my location.

The most recent (and amazingly accurate) communicator I used was Anne Towill. She also does Reiki from a distance. All done from a photo. I had every single one of her areas of pain confirmed by a Mctimmoney chiropracter without giving away any info. The things she relayed could never in a million years been guessed. And they were about me as well as my Horse.

It's believed that anyone can do communication. It's opening the door to it that's the problem. Many that you find (and from memory Jackie is one of them but I may be wrong) have had a near death experience. I've used Jackie a few times, also with one of my Huskies, and found her not only a lovely person, but also very accurate.

There's too much in this world that can't be explained to dismiss things like communication. I know I am quite receptive to it, I can feel different vibrations in crystals for example, some I find painfull to touch, but have never explored it. One day I will.
 
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Starbucks, I thinks that's a prity naive thing to say, even before this I would never say any of my horses are ''not that smart". I have found people who think that will usually end up on the floor as they are soon to catch the person out.

The first thing pilgrim said was that he was not stupid, he thinks bwfore he does things and that would not mean to be naughty but he could tell me ant other way, I had already realised something was wrong before I spoke to her.
 
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