Animal Communicator Recommendations?

We don't either patterdale. We also live in the moment. We hold memories that are accessed when needed. I don't live in fear of spiders but when I see one, I'm petrified. I'm not constantly going around screaming all year just in case I see one. I don't even actively remember I'm scared of spiders until one appears.

As humans, we grieve for a lost friend or relative. Now that we do think about on a daily basis. We do sit there and meditate on it and feel sad. If you have sen grieving horse then you will be in no doubt that the horse is actively meditating on his loss.

A friend of mine has a blind horse. She knew he was going blind but it wasnt until his sister started nudging him to guide him as the grazed if he got too near the fence or got too far from the herd that she called the vet again and he confirmed that he was now completely blind. The horses all behave differently with him and always guide him back to the herd if he grazes away too far or the wrong way. It moved me to tears to see this for myself.

I respect your views patterdale, I'm no-one to try and change them, I have been arrogant in the past and that is wrong. I just want to tell you what I have seen that makes me think there is more to life than what you can see.
 
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tallyho! said:
We don't either patterdale. We also live in the moment. We hold memories that are accessed when needed. I don't live in fear of spiders but when I see one, I'm petrified. I'm not constantly going around screaming all year just in case I see one. I don't even actively remember I'm scared of spiders until one appears
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You may have misunderstood my point a bit :)
While you are quite right about not running around screaming all the time, you can, if asked, recall the fact that you are scared of spiders and any associated memories, at any time.
You have this mental capability; a horse does not. He knows he's scared of the trailer, but not until confronted with it.

For example, you might not want to crawl into a dark cave for fear there may be a spider inside, but a horse won't be scared to go through a car park in case there is a trailer there. This is what I mean by the fact that you can recall your fear at any time, but he cannot.

(This is scientific proven fact about animal v human thought processes, not just my opinion :))

tallyho! said:
I respect your views patterdale, I'm no-one to try and change them........I just want to tell you what I have seen that makes me think there is more to life than what you can see.
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I TOTALLY (and quite strongly) believe this too.
This is why things like horses telling ACs all about their childhood sits so badly with me, as it perpetuates the idea of ALL clairvoyancy being claptrap too.
 
I actually know an animal communicator. Animals don't literally speak but the voices heard are like thoughts or images that appear to the reader. I think it's amazing how people completely dismiss the idea of it. How do you know that it can't happen just because you can't seei it? They used to say the earth was flat! Anyone is capable of being able to do it - you have to open your mind (literally). Google Anna Twinning or James French (Trust Technique). We have no idea what animals think or feel as we are not them.
 
Patterdale said:
They certainly do have memories and emotions, I'm not disputing that.
But they have memories in a different way to us, as they act in the present and on instinct.

So if a horse has had a bad experience in a trailer, the memory he has of that will make him scared to go in a trailer, and he will act accordingly when asked to go in one.

But what he won't do, is lie awake at night thinking about his bad experience, and telling people about it. Because it will only be 'remembered' when the sight of the trailer, or getting travel bandages on, makes him instinctively go 'this is a bad place. I'm scared.'
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How can you prove that though? That is just your belief. You do not know how a horse thinks because you are not a horse. I actually DO think that horses think things over and consider things, not to our extent but I have seen how horses can be 'off' with someone for days after they have done something they don't like such as a cold bath etc. I have seen how they send others away and keep them away for some time before letting them back into the herd. If they lived in the moment, they would react, chase them away and then just let them back in. But the fact that it can be several hours or days show that they are carrying the memory of what that horse has done wrong and carry that thought until they think they have had long enough punishment.

We are discovering all the time that animals are far more intelligent than we have previously given them credit for. Tragic really, considering the way we treat them in experiments and even providing our meat.
 
Wagtail said:
How can you prove that though? That is just your belief.
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With respect, it's not :)
There have been MANY studies done on how animals process thought, memories, and feelings. The facts I have stated about animals acting on instinct and present stimulants has been proven and proven again.

This doesn't mean that I think they are 'lower' than is or 'stupid' - but they are certainly not capable of the thought processes attributed to them by some of the ACs quoted on this thread.
 
One very interesting author to read is Temple Grandin.She is American, a highly intelligent and educated person who has autism.She thinks her form of autism is, for want of a better way of putting it, the missing link between how animals think and how humans think.She thinks more in pictues and feelings than words and she also says animals notice DETAIL, minutely and much more than most human beings who tend to see the big picture but not the details.As I said, very interesting.
 
I was always sceptical about animal communicators but wanted to try one out. I chose one who did it via a photo because I didn't want someone to be reading me. I sent a photo of the pony in question tied up after being groomed and all my email said was "can you speak to my pony". The AC sent back a very detailed report which I went through with different coloured highlighters and marked parts that related to my pony specifically, parts that were completely not true and parts that could apply to any horse. Some things were very accurate, I will look out reading and tell you what bits were specific.

Then to further test this my I sent a picture of my friends pony (we have 11 between us so decided we could try this out a few times) from a different email address and got someone else to pay for it via paypal, picture was of the pony grazing. The email this time said "I have attached a picture, I look forward to your response" AC asked if I had any specific questions, I replied "No specific questions, just want to know if all is well".

Again a very accurate report for this pony which was completely different from mine, not once were the same word/phrases used. We did this again with a third pony from a different email and paypal, yet again a different report with no repeated phrases from either of the previous ponies.

Lastly, my friend sent off a picture of one of the horses/ponies and didn't tell me which one it was, when the report came I read it and knew which horse it was straight away.

If anyone who thinks that they can do it with just generalisations/googling the client then I would be happy to send the pictures we sent to the AC along with my name, address and facebook page and see how much you can find out about me and my ponies.
 
Patterdale said:
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You may have misunderstood my point a bit :)
While you are quite right about not running around screaming all the time, you can, if asked, recall the fact that you are scared of spiders and any associated memories, at any time.
You have this mental capability; a horse does not. He knows he's scared of the trailer, but not until confronted with it.

For example, you might not want to crawl into a dark cave for fear there may be a spider inside, but a horse won't be scared to go through a car park in case there is a trailer there. This is what I mean by the fact that you can recall your fear at any time, but he cannot.

(This is scientific proven fact about animal v human thought processes, not just my opinion :))



I TOTALLY (and quite strongly) believe this too.
This is why things like horses telling ACs all about their childhood sits so badly with me, as it perpetuates the idea of ALL clairvoyancy being claptrap too.
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Those studies exist and I have looked at them but they are all subjective to what was being studied at the time.

The trouble with psychological studies relating to animals, wre searches can only ask one question at a time (hypothesis), with a very specific measure and so can only come to one conclusion. It either proves the hypothesis, or it doesn't. Hanngi et al, did a meta-analysis of all the studies about cognition, memory, perception and thinking and did quite a good report on it. I'm sure if you googled, you might find it without having to subscribe to something. I hope! They also concluded that still more is unanswered and more needs to be done as the surface of equine and animal psychology is unknown and unresearched. Much of it is too subjective and while it can provide a yes or no to very specific questions, there is not enough evidence to say what horses are actually capable of.

Until such a paper exists, I can only go by what I have researched myself, seen for myself and done for myself and I cannot categorically say if horses actually can daydream, or reminisce. But I don't want to rule it out.

In the wild, herds that are used to roaming e.g. In Dakota, have specific trails they use. If a trail is blocked or something has changed, the stallion can "think" of another way to go from that point. This is well documented and also documented with the Pryor herd. If a watering hole has dried up when last year it was full, they know how to navigate to another one and choose a direct route even if it isn't one they have used before therefore this begs the question if they have a "map". It's not been studied so we don't know.

All animals do this.

Wild animals in America "learn" how to use motorway bridges to stay safe. The rate of deaths on the road have plummeted. How did all the different species learn that the bridge will allow them to cross? They can't read signs. They just watch and learn.

In 1992 we learnt that chimps can empathise and display role-reversal behaviour. A chimp could tell his mate how to get food. Tell, not show. Using signs.

Anyway, I don't know enough and that's about the extent of my very little knowledge. I only know that there's no evidence to suggest that they can't visualise so I'm in the dark and unable to deny that they can. Until proven otherwise, I'm going to go with the flow :)
 
I have used two AC on my mare , one was with me in the yard and the other had a photograph and sent me an email with her findings.

Both came up with things they were never told. The most interesting was the lady who came to my yard. While there my dog went off down the lane so I went after him. When I got back the lady told me that the mare had been in either a lorry or trailer and there had been a death. This was very true.

Some of the things they tell you could be general to any horse but there are things that are only your horse. Both the ladies came up with the same thing and neither had spoken to each other.

If we are really in tune with our horses we too can feel their moods , the way they go and that things are not right.
 
I think there is a sixth sense, don't get me wrong, and I know my horse's mood and whether she's had a good or bad bad day within seconds of arriving at the barn.

My issue with my wee experiment is indeed the fact that some of the information was scarily accurate, some was accurate in a vague, general way, and some wasn't accurate at all. Like Patterdale said, surely if those people had actually been communicating with my horse, there would not have been any wrong information at all.

Patently inaccurate statements include, "Has she had a foal? I think she misses him" (this would be news to me and I know her whole history); "Was she owned by a young boy" (would also be news to me); "The horse stabled next to her reminds her of her mother" (Really? The neighbour is a grey Connemara while her dam was a bay TB and by the way, thanks Dr. Freud); "You used to event and now you've switched focus to dressage" (Amount of eventing competitions I have done in the 15 years I have owned horse: zero).

I would love to continue the experiment, get more data from more communicators, but they usually aren't cheap and I am skint. So that limits what I can do.
 
Yes. I used a communicator for a pony I had problems with as she was getting dangerous to ride. She told me that my pony was missing another horse and gave a description of other horse but this horse had been put down. The communicator went back and explained what had happened. Incidentally this pony stopped having problems instantly and has now gone on to do very well under saddle.
 
tallyho! said:
Those studies exist and I have looked at them but they are all subjective to what was being studied at the time.

The trouble with psychological studies relating to animals, wre searches can only ask one question at a time (hypothesis), with a very specific measure and so can only come to one conclusion. It either proves the hypothesis, or it doesn't. Hanngi et al, did a meta-analysis of all the studies about cognition, memory, perception and thinking and did quite a good report on it. I'm sure if you googled, you might find it without having to subscribe to something. I hope! They also concluded that still more is unanswered and more needs to be done as the surface of equine and animal psychology is unknown and unresearched. Much of it is too subjective and while it can provide a yes or no to very specific questions, there is not enough evidence to say what horses are actually capable of.

Until such a paper exists, I can only go by what I have researched myself, seen for myself and done for myself and I cannot categorically say if horses actually can daydream, or reminisce. But I don't want to rule it out.

In the wild, herds that are used to roaming e.g. In Dakota, have specific trails they use. If a trail is blocked or something has changed, the stallion can "think" of another way to go from that point. This is well documented and also documented with the Pryor herd. If a watering hole has dried up when last year it was full, they know how to navigate to another one and choose a direct route even if it isn't one they have used before therefore this begs the question if they have a "map". It's not been studied so we don't know.

All animals do this.

Wild animals in America "learn" how to use motorway bridges to stay safe. The rate of deaths on the road have plummeted. How did all the different species learn that the bridge will allow them to cross? They can't read signs. They just watch and learn.

In 1992 we learnt that chimps can empathise and display role-reversal behaviour. A chimp could tell his mate how to get food. Tell, not show. Using signs.

Anyway, I don't know enough and that's about the extent of my very little knowledge. I only know that there's no evidence to suggest that they can't visualise so I'm in the dark and unable to deny that they can. Until proven otherwise, I'm going to go with the flow :)
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Tallyho - your post ties in neatly with the other 'can horses get bored ' thread.......
 
interesting discussion, I admit to being torn between my logical side which says no way , it's all a load of mumbo jumbo and my other side which argues that it is entirely possible !
Animals certainly seem to prefer certain types of people over others, they can read us better than the majority of us can read them, is it such a big leap to accept that some people do actually have enough animal instinct to be able to read animals, at the end of the day we are ourselves just another species of animal!
we think we understand the processes of the brain but we don't yet really understand certain neurological conditions or behavioural conditions.
Some people struggle to read others emotions, don't have the same social awareness as others, don't always interact well with others, we have labeled them autistic ( very basic description of the condition, i know it is much more involved than that) what is to say there isn't an opposite condition where people have a heightened perception of other peoples emotions, can interact on a higher level than others? it would be quite possible for these people to 'read' animals.
 
paulineh said:
When I got back the lady told me that the mare had been in either a lorry or trailer and there had been a death. This was very true.

Some of the things they tell you could be general to any horse but there are things that are only your horse. Both the ladies came up with the same thing and neither had spoken to each other.
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But this is the way it works! If they said the same to 20 different owners, one might know it had happened; one might know it never happened; and the rest haven't owned the horse all its life so they don't know - it COULD be true - and it might be why the horse loads badly!

I've crossed my fingers and kept out of this thread until now - I couldn't cope any longer!! I think a FEW AC's are genuine in that they believe they have the gift! They don't! It's like the psychics who have meeting where they 'hear' freom dead relatives of people in the audience. That's bog easy - just requires good obserevation of people's reaction when they say: "There's a Brian trying to reach someone here!" etc etc.
 
eahotson said:
One very interesting author to read is Temple Grandin.She is American, a highly intelligent and educated person who has autism.She thinks her form of autism is, for want of a better way of putting it, the missing link between how animals think and how humans think.She thinks more in pictues and feelings than words and she also says animals notice DETAIL, minutely and much more than most human beings who tend to see the big picture but not the details.As I said, very interesting.
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Is she the woman who did the work with the cows? There was a very interesting documentary about her, if it was.
 
Just wondering, how many people who are pooh poohing the idea that some people may be able tune into the feelings of animals, actually believe in God? I would expect not many, but there will be a few?
 
I would love to try a few different communicators to see how their results compare. Does anyone have the names of some who just do photo and email results, as I haven't the time (or phone signal!), to respond to a phone call result.

I did try one a few years back and wasn't overly impressed. Pretty much everything was true, but could have been guessed at. Some things were spectacularly wrong!

I am open to the idea of a communicator. I know from experiences I have had that can't really be explained that there must be something in it, but I still tend to sit on the fence and waiver back and forth.
 
Wagtail said:
Just wondering, how many people who are pooh poohing the idea that some people may be able tune into the feelings of animals, actually believe in God? I would expect not many, but there will be a few?
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What on EARTH is the connection. Are you suggesting AC is a God-given 'talent'?

LOTS of people (including me) can 'tune in' to the feelings of animals - hell, I couldn't back my youngsters successfully if I didn't have 'a feeling' for how each one would respond and learn! And I can make a pretty good guess as to what has caused the problems when a 'problem horse' arrives for re-schooling! But looking at a photo - and coming up with a pile of rubbish (some of which MIGHT be true in some cases) is a whole different thing.

I should add I know 2 ACs - and I think both of them genuinely believe in their 'gift' - on what I know of them, their backgrounds etc., I don't!
 
Interesting comment Wagtail! I don't believe in god but I do believe that there are people with abilities that we cannot understand or explain. The mind is such a powerful thing and really we know so little about it but I certainly don't believe there is a big sky fairy 'controlling' (for want of a better word) mankind.
 
I would have put myself in the sceptics camp at one time, however I have had experiences which have left me believing that communication from brain to brain, without speech or body language happens. I work with trauma survivors and have "seen" the inside of a lorry a client was assaulted in before she told me about it. I also volunteered a picture of my mare to a trainee AC, the information she gave me was 95% correct and she has contacted me several times since, as my mare often "chats" to her. There has never been any financial arrangement, oh and she communicated with a mare we were thinking of buying, again uncannily correct, the mare came home by the way :)
 
FWIW, this is a very abbreviated account of my experiences with Anne Dee.

Catembi (protein losing enteropathy) she knew that he wasn't going to make it when the vets still thought he might, & she could describe exactly how he felt.
Adrian - I'd spent £5.5k on 3 different vet practices, inc 10 days at Rossdales, every vet test under the sun, iridologist, herbalist, chiropractor etc to try & find out what was wrong with him. Anne - he feels very weak as he can't use his food properly. Turned out to be EPMS. What a perfect description of EPSM!
Trev - lame. No heat, no swelling, nothing in his feet, etc. Anne - he's trodden on a stone & cut his frog. I had another look & what I'd thought was a frog flake was a cut.
Trev - came in with a HUGE eye, swelled shut for 3 days. Cut above it. Asked Anne how he did it. On the doorway of the field shelter. He had his head down & suddenly brought it up & banged it. (Anne didn't know I had a field shelter.) Went to have a look, & there was a fresh crack in the wooden post between the 2 halves of the shelter that would have taken the sort of force that wrecked his eye/head to crack it, & there was a hard metal loop to latch the doors (when they were on) which was what made the cut.
Trev - why is he so naughty hacking? Anne - he is worried about something jumping out at him because he can't see what's coming. He will behave with another horse. (He was *dreadful* to hack, & I arranged to hack with a friend in great trepidation...& he behaved 110%.) Anne - he prefers being in the school as he can see what's coming. (Anne didn't know I have a school, or that it's surrounded by fields & you can see a long way.)
Trev - why won't he work? Anne - he feels as if he's got heartburn, & he's very windy. Took him to be scoped & he has pyloric ulcers which are supposed to feel like heartburn.

And lots & lots of other stuff that I won't bore you with! But yeah, I'm a believer. I was the world's biggest sceptic & only tried Anne as I was *desperate* to save Catembi & was trying absolutely anything.

T x
 
I'd love to try an AC but I am worried I'd be told something I didn't want to hear. I'd be gutted to learn my horse doesn't like me or something!

The logical side of my brain says it's rubbish but then there is the other side that thinks it can be real, after hearing of people's experiences. Does anyone know of a "good" AC in the north east? I'm so tempted to give it a go.

I've been to two psychic nights with my mam. On both occasions (different readers) they picked out my mam and told her things that were specific to her, and not generic to other people. In a private reading with a different reader they picked up on things my mam hasn't told anyone other than her immediate family. All three readers said things that could be applied to lots of people, but the other half of what they said seemed rather spooky.
 
NellRosk said:
Has anyone answered the question of how can an AC do it over the phone? I asked the question on page 3 of the thread but didn't get an answer.
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I didn't want to post on this thread as I really dislike people vehemently dismissing something noone can disprove. To do a 'distance communication' you use a photograph and you tune into the animal. There is nothing *voodoo* or *witch craft like* or scary about animal communication - it is plain and simple ESP - something we as a race lost a long time ago. I went on a weekend communication workshop and I could do it - I was able to 'communicate via images in one case and words in another with serveral subjects very accurately. Nothing amazingly weird or clever just communication. The genuine communicators are beautiful people and they gave my misunderstood and abused lovely WB the hope he deserved. He was so thankful for that and I am so grateful too.
 
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