Animal Communicators - who's convinced?

Totally skeptical - as I am about human mediums and other paranormal phenomena. However, I'm open-minded in the sense that I am willing to be persuaded should any evidence turn up to prove it can't all be explained by coincidence and psychology (especially the natural human tendency to want to believe).

I agree with the above. I find it easier to believe when the AC actually visits the horse, but cannot see how possibly a photo can transmit any useful information.
 
Sorry, can't find original post-it was Anne Dee (not anne diamond!!!) Was on her website and her testimonials look quite impressive. But she charges £50 for both over the phone and visit, but I have heard alot of very impressive things from the most unlikely people. I am tempted espcially for my rescue collie who has "issues"! It would be worth it if she could tell him my BF won't hurt him and not to nip at my horses. Am I an idiot? probably. Would be worth far more than £50 if it did work. Same with the horse if she could tell me why she stops sometimes it would save a fortune on diesel and entry fees if I could come back with winnings!!
 
I cant say whether I believe or not as I have never had an animal communicator come and speak to my horses.

Im open minded about it though and would give it a try, no harm in doing that :)
 
Maybe I got unlucky, but I've had one run in with an AC and it's confirmed that I'm right to be cynical.

The AC came to our yard to do a liveries horse. Went to the stable with the livery and did a reading, complete with crystals. Everything they said about the horse the livery would nod in agreement to, or twist in some way to fit. There were lots of open ended sentences and phrases i.e. "I'm seeing light colours, maybe cream, or yellow?" - livery: "oh he raced in yellow a few times" etc.

I stayed and listened to it, because I do try and keep open minded. The AC then sold my friend a lot of herbs that they felt would help the horse. We were stood in the tack room having a coffee after, with the livery gushing to the AC about everything being correct. I was very quiet and the AC directly spoke to me, asking what I thought. I explained my scepticism about the whole thing but did say politely that I felt different things worked for different people.

The AC offered to do a free 10 minute reading on a horse of my choice to "prove" their skills. Then I could pay for a longer session if I wanted to. Not one to pass up on something free :p I walked to the end of the yard, took a little black pony out of the stable, led her up to the top of the yard and tied her up. The AC then came out of the tack room to greet the mare and do the reading.

The general gist was: the mare loves me, the mare is happy in her home, the mare misses her old home sometimes but is happy here. The 10 minutes went on, I pressed about any injuries but was told the mare gets a bit sore when ridden by the larger girl because she pulls on her mouth, but she likes the little girl who rides her and she loves wearing all the pink. The mare didn't mention any other injuries. The mare would like to do some more competing because she thinks she could win lots. The mare really likes her farrier, he is nice. Oh and the mare really likes the chestnut horse (the yard has 7 chestnut horses, all clearly in stables :rolleyes:)

The mare I had taken out of the stable was a rescue mare. I had spent the past 6 months working with her. By that stage I could put a headcollar on her, catch her in the stable or field (as long as her field mates were caught first). She would stand at the top of the yard, as long as she was stood in the same place. She had learnt to accept the vet, etc as long as I stood near by and she was tied in the same place. She had to be sedated for the farrier, and I had to be holding her to help keep her calm. Farrier appointments could only be done like this, else the mare would put herself on the floor in a panic. We had attempted to put a saddle on her once, in an attempt to begin backing her, and she had freaked out. It had taken me 2 weeks to get close to her again. No one else on the yard could handle her. The mare had a severe poll injury that was being slowly corrected, but was taking time as she would only let the Chiro do so much, before getting stressed.
I had taken her to one in hand show (as a companion to her boyfriend, with the potential to take her in one in hand class). The mare had shaken the entire time, worked herself up into a lather and reared lots.
In short, the pony was heavily abused. We'd got her straight after Monty Roberts had tried and failed to join up with her in a demonstration. The new owners were taking her to be shot the next week if Monty had no success. They'd rescued her, had her 2 weeks and didn't know how to progress. We stepped in, knowing we could give her the time and facilities, a nice herd to run with. If it came to it we would put her down after a nice summer of being cared for. She was skin and bone with a dull coat and matted mane as no one could get close to groom her. She was also covered in scars.

I did tell the AC all of this, when asked if I wanted to pay for a longer reading. Initially the AC said they would have picked this up had they done a longer reading. The AC started trying to tie in bits they had said with what I had told them. E.g. the mare likes me because I'm nice to her. The mare is happy in this home because we're nice to her. The little girl rider was in the mares past, not her current. The mare likes wearing pink and she's wearing a pink head collar :rolleyes: I was polite but said it really hadn't converted me. The AC then got VERY aggressive with me, saying I had deliberately set them up to fail, if they had gone into the stable with the mare then they would have picked up on all of this. I agreed, yes anyone would pick up on it if they tried to go in the mares stable, but that's not AC that's just knowing horses. That's why I chose this mare and put her in an environment where I knew she would be calm (at the top of the yard where she knows 'things' happen).

I still do keep an open mind, and I'd love to think people could communicate. There is a lot I would have loved to find out from this mare. However, I know she is now happy in her new home. She is in her element and is being well cared for. If this circumstance ever changes then I will have her back in a flash. She will never be abused, she will never show affection, she will never have a child rider and she will only ever be ble to deal with 2 of 3 people touching her, but that's ok. She went from uncatchable to being reliable to catch. She needed to be sedated for the farrier, to standing good as gold.
 
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Totally skeptical - as I am about human mediums and other paranormal phenomena. However, I'm open-minded in the sense that I am willing to be persuaded should any evidence turn up to prove it can't all be explained by coincidence and psychology (especially the natural human tendency to want to believe).

Would this help?

Completely inconsequential and I really can't imagine that any-one could have made this up, or would have wanted to bother.

Sister's Appy had mentioned a dog in a barrel to AC on more than 1 occasion but we couldn't think what she was talking about. Until AC asked more questions. The dog was a terrier and the barrel was blue, the horse said.
Well guess what, in our yard was a blue plastic barrel (with a lid, I hasten to assure you). When our JRT died in her sleep, the ground was frozen solid, so rather than struggling to dig a hole to bury her, we put her in the empty blue barrel, with the lid firmly on to avoid scavengers, to await the thaw. We certainly hadn't told any-one about our slovenly ways, so I can't imagine how AC could have known any of this if the horse hadn't told her. Apparently horse also said that the dog was laughing, we have many photos of this JRT with her mouth open, looking as though she was laughing. She really was a very cheerful dog, always busy.
 
Tell you what though; if anyone would like to send me their bank account number, sort code and their mother's maiden name, I can give you 100% accurate info on what the animal communicator is thinking:cool:;)


LOVE IT!!! XX But dont forget the 3 digit number on the back of the card!
 
That's an interesting point of view. I do think a dog can understand what a weighing scales are for. Why not? Dogs have the intelligence of a 2-4 year old child depending on the breed. a 2-4 year old child knows what a weighing scales are for.

perhaps this is why my dog didnt want to get on the scales - we found out she had a few pounds on!
 
or as one poster suggests, disliking having another horse's name on its saddlecloth. How exactly does the horse read that? How can it understand our language and our manner of writing things - these aren't innate truths, their societal constructs - we made them up. So how does the horse understand how to read them? I can't read chinese characters, though I've been exposed to them probably as much as horse is exposed to english writing - so how can a horse read?

(Not a dig at the poster of the horse/saddlecloth story, I'm just using it to explain my point of view).

:D

As I have said I am a total Cynic and really struggle with this, and my first thought was "absolute rot of course he can not read the name on a saddle cloth"

So I was even more shocked when having a "guess what Vardi is apparently saying he hates wearing Teds saddle cloth as if" with my the girl who is riding him for me in the UK to be told that on the day in question about 5 different people at the yard asked "oh is that horse called Ted" "oh we shall have to call him Ted from now on as a joke" ....now that I can get my head round:-)

As I have said before I am the biggest cynic in the world but twice now this particular communicator has got stuff 100% accurate which she had no way at all of knowing. First time the incident with his brood mare and second time with the saddle pad.

Frankly I still struggle with it.
 
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I'm sceptical but mildly interested.
I can't see how anyone can do communication for a photo. I'm interested in peoples sixth sense if they are with an animal.

About 18 months ago a sent in photos of 3 horses to an AC who was raved about on a HHO thread, just to satisfy some curiosity. They were £15 a horse and I was willing to flush the money down the drain.

Horse 1 - Owned for 8 years. Retired fully for over a year at that point. I feel I know him inside out. I sent a picture of him stood tied up when he was in work and clipped.
Horse 2 - Owned for 4.5 years. Still relatively young and at that time was off work following an operation. Horse I had never really bonded with and didn't really 'get' him. Again sent in a photo clipped and fit from the previous year.
Horse 3 - A temporary sell-on project owned fro a couple of months. Cobx type, lovely kind horse but sensitive. I sent in a picture of him plaited and stood up.

So in general everything I got told about my horses was something that could easily have been assumed from the pictures provided. Unfortunately the assumptions were quite out.

Horse 1 - I was told was sensitive and a worrier (so not true, an attention seeking cheeky bugger would be more appropriate) and was my competition schoolmaster (true but pretty obvious). He was in no pain and loved going out competing with me (no mention of dodgy hocks & feet and the fact he hadn't been to a comp for going on 3 years)

Horse 2 - This is going to be my horse of a lifetime, he is bold and brave and loves galloping and jumping hedges with me (granted that is the type of horse the picture portrayed). Urm ... he wasn't my horse of a lifetime, I was looking to sell him due to that, he was fairly backwards thinking at times and I had mostly been doing dressage. No mention of the fact he was recuperating from an operation.

Horse 3 - My old steady eddy show cob, he has won buckets of rosettes with me. He likes to think he can compete with my TB's though. This one made me laugh a lot, a sensitive little chap who had been passed around a bit and had certainly taken a decent beating at some point. He wasn't a show horse in the slightest, a much better jumper/hunter type.

Once I got the readings through I enlightened the AC and to give her her due she refunded my payments.
 
That's an interesting point of view. I do think a dog can understand what a weighing scales are for. Why not? Dogs have the intelligence of a 2-4 year old child depending on the breed. a 2-4 year old child knows what a weighing scales are for.

Who are we to decide what animals are capable of understanding or feeling? If communicators are time and time again coming up with accurate information, then I think it's only fair that we stretch our own understanding even if that feels uncomfortable. jsut my opinion though.

I completely agree that some dogs have the intelligence of a 3 year old child. It has been proved and I completely believe it. However, I do not believe it is possible that a dog can understand what scales are for or the concept of weight. A 3 year old child only understands this because they understand more complex language. Dogs may be able to understand a couple of hundred words and also our mood when we say them but it is impossible for them to understand concepts such as weight or that eating makes them fat. You could probably train a dog to do a task such as adding more and more objects (weights) to a scale in order for it to reach a certain reading so that it will be given a treat. But it would never understand that eating too much made it fat and that the reading on the scale told you how fat and that if it got too fat then it would get less food.
 
Hmm, i do see what you mean, but also it depends - I mean, if the dog has previously had several diets for exmaple I don't think it's a big stretch to link putting on weight with being given less food. Especially if this is coupled with words which are understood (becuase food is important to animals) such as 'food' 'fat' (probably said whilst poking fatty areas, i know i do this to my fat cob all the time ;-)), 'diet' and so on. Similarly, it wouldn't be a massive leap for these words to be linked with the time spent on the scales - we all know dogs pick things up from the context. I don't think it's such a massive leap at all when you break it down a little? maybe jsut me though.
 
I've used one many times and yes there are things that could be guessed but there are also too many things that are unique to the animals I've had. Either things that have happened or things that we do with them. Also and this is what has convinced me more is how they've reacted to the lady, it's hard to describe but they are so tuned in to her.

I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but to me it gives me another dimension to our relationship and I like hearing what they have to say. Having my boy done in a few weeks actually :-), god knows what he'll have to say xx
 
As I have said I am a total Cynic and really struggle with this, and my first thought was "absolute rot of course he can not read the name on a saddle cloth"

So I was even more shocked when having a "guess what Vardi is apparently saying he hates wearing Teds saddle cloth as if" with my the girl who is riding him for me in the UK to be told that on the day in question about 5 different people at the yard asked "oh is that horse called Ted" "oh we shall have to call him Ted from now on as a joke" ....now that I can get my head round:-)

As I have said before I am the biggest cynic in the world but twice now this particular communicator has got stuff 100% accurate which she had no way at all of knowing. First time the incident with his brood mare and second time with the saddle pad.

Frankly I still struggle with it.

It was indeed a spooky story regarding Vardi's mother being kicked. The thing I struggle with is that he was only a 5 month old fetus and so how would he have known? I do wonder sometimes if psychics are actually picking things up not from the animals telling them, but just because they are psychic and somehow know these things. I sometimes also wonder if they are genuine psychics, whether they are actually reading the human's rather than the animals. I would really love to find one that I knew was genuine. Especially with all the problems going on with my boy at the moment, but I just have not yet been fully convinced.
 
Would this help?
It might, but I'd want to actually see the whole reading for myself to convince myself there wasn't any "cold reading" stuff going on. I know this sounds terribly cynical and could even be taken to imply that I don't believe you, but I truly mean no disrespect to you personally. It's just that I believe that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", as Carl Sagan once said. And even if one reading was strikingly successful, as yours certainly appears to be, I would want to know how many unsuccessful or "ordinary" readings this person had also done in order to make chance (coincidence) an unlikely explanation. Also, people - and I would include myself inthis - tend to remember and talk about the unusual, and ignore and forget about the mundane. In a reading, the unusual would be the parts that stood out as matching some seemingly obscure event, while the mundane would be everything else said in a reading that didn't ring any bells.
 
No, I find the whole thing crackers and don't connect with the concept at all, and my head is in the clouds an awful lot of the time!
I have witnessed, and cannot understand why a seemingly reasonable person would enter their card details over the phone for a person they have never met before to have a chat with their equine, the whole thing is lost on me.
 
I have never personally used them, but a lady at a previous yard did for her horse that was really skittish and a worrier. She was told that he was the way he was, was because his mother had wanted a filly and so he was a disappointment to her...
all sounds a bit loopy to me!
 
It might, but I'd want to actually see the whole reading for myself to convince myself there wasn't any "cold reading" stuff going on. I know this sounds terribly cynical and could even be taken to imply that I don't believe you, but I truly mean no disrespect to you personally. It's just that I believe that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", as Carl Sagan once said. And even if one reading was strikingly successful, as yours certainly appears to be, I would want to know how many unsuccessful or "ordinary" readings this person had also done in order to make chance (coincidence) an unlikely explanation. Also, people - and I would include myself inthis - tend to remember and talk about the unusual, and ignore and forget about the mundane. In a reading, the unusual would be the parts that stood out as matching some seemingly obscure event, while the mundane would be everything else said in a reading that didn't ring any bells.

Essentially what you want is a degree of scientific analysis of this sort of event (unless I misunderstand you). All the evidence provided here is anecdotal - and whilst I don't necessarily think people are making things up, I also think that it's very easy for things to be misunderstood, or for people who want to believe to see evidence where there is none, and anecdotes about how good this communicator was arise. If you had an independent means of analysing how much of what the AC said, without any (unwitting?) guidance from the owner, and could accumulate enough data from ACs and enough cases you could assess how high the frequency of truth was.

If you wanted to have some fun, you could employ fake ACs to peddle a load of likely/plausible stories to owners at random, you could even see how likely it was that they got things right just by chance. That's before you consider introducing knowledgable horse people into the equation, who might be able to spot things that other people don't notice and use them to their advantage (subtle behavioural clues, old injuries etc).

Actually you could have fun working up a study like that. I'd love to be a fake AC :D But that aside, if you could show an unexplained degree and frequency in the stories of real ACs, then us sceptics my have to think again!
 
Essentially what you want is a degree of scientific analysis of this sort of event (unless I misunderstand you). All the evidence provided here is anecdotal - and whilst I don't necessarily think people are making things up, I also think that it's very easy for things to be misunderstood, or for people who want to believe to see evidence where there is none, and anecdotes about how good this communicator was arise. If you had an independent means of analysing how much of what the AC said, without any (unwitting?) guidance from the owner, and could accumulate enough data from ACs and enough cases you could assess how high the frequency of truth was.
Yes - precisely! :)

But that aside, if you could show an unexplained degree and frequency in the stories of real ACs, then us sceptics my have to think again!
That would be very exciting, wouldn't it?
 
I don't know if I believe or not. I don't have any horses with unidentified injuries but I can see how owners might go down that route if all else has failed - what have they got to lose?!! However, I would be much more inclined to part with my cash if I thought the communication was a two way street, if the communicator could get some things across to the horse - like pooing in one area of the stable would be helpful and pointing out that the green thing next to the menege is not a scary monster.
 
That would be very exciting, wouldn't it?

It would open up a lot of new avenues for scientific exploration, certainly. Lots of funding coming my way for being behind that trial, so yes, very exciting :D But on an intellectual / personal level, I think I'd be a little surprised and it might take me a while to get to grips with all the ramifications of it, but yes, ultimately it would be exciting :)
 
I think my problem with it really is that i have never seen any change in any of the horses 'communicated' with, the change i see is in the owner... which is why i think its a placebo effect, which if it works for an owner than fair play - I just wouldnt spend money on it myself - i think the fees are incredibly expensive...(also I didnt mention horses wanting cake etc.)

Hedwards why on earth would you expect to see a change in the horses communicated with? It is just a communication a means on passing information from you to horse/animal and vice versa - why expect a change? You may get a reason for some behaviour or an answer to a question or a reassurance, but don't expect a change! My horse pin pointed his injury and pain - a chronic sacro illiac dysfunction (he had passed a 5 stage vetting) - he showed the AC himself falling down and showed his pelvis injured right hand side. The AC cost me £40 - do you know for insurance purposes it cost £3,781.00 for Sue Dyson at AHT to tell me the same. My horse was very aggressive and this didn't stop until his pain was dealt with. The communication helped by showing the injury; it was the best £40 I have ever spent.
 
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I was open minded. I contacted a lady who seemed well renowned. I had to e mail a pic and she said she'd ring 2 days later. She did ring and we chatted for the allotted 40 mins. The upshot was that she felt she couldn't "speak" to my horse as he had barriers up and was so angry. She said she would keep trying and would be in touch. I'm still waiting for this follow up over a year on despite me e mailing her.
I feel very let down and fortunately my horses aggression is much better without her help. I fell for a google search! She had famous people who she'd "helped" and did clinics etc. Total waste of money!!!
 
The lady who I have seen with my friends horses doesnt actually charge anything at all. I dont think she does photo readings. She accepts donations towards her petrol expenses, one friend of mine gives her £20 another £10. She is with you for as long as it takes and will happily see more than one horse for the one donation, so she is certainly not in it for the money. She has told both of my friends things they wouldnt really want to hear. One friend had bought a new 13,2 pony for her rather nervous daughter. Pony hadnt actually done anything wrong but didnt seem too happy and hadnt really settled into his new home. When Jane 'spoke' to him he told her he didnt like it in his new home. He said he missed his previous home and didnt like my friends daughter. when he was asked why this was, he told her that he missed the boy that used to ride him, he missed the gallops across the fields that they used to have. Nobody had told her that a, the pony had only been in the home for a few months or so. and b, that he had previously been owned by a boy. My friends daughter was very nervous and so far they had only walked and trotted along the lanes all very quiet and controlled.
My friend after being told what the problem was with the pony asked another more confident rider to hack out on the pony a couple of times a week, making sure he was taken across fields for a good gallop and got to jump as many logs as he could find. The pony was transformed by his new rides.
 
It might, but I'd want to actually see the whole reading for myself to convince myself there wasn't any "cold reading" stuff going on. I know this sounds terribly cynical and could even be taken to imply that I don't believe you, but I truly mean no disrespect to you personally. It's just that I believe that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", as Carl Sagan once said. And even if one reading was strikingly successful, as yours certainly appears to be, I would want to know how many unsuccessful or "ordinary" readings this person had also done in order to make chance (coincidence) an unlikely explanation. Also, people - and I would include myself inthis - tend to remember and talk about the unusual, and ignore and forget about the mundane. In a reading, the unusual would be the parts that stood out as matching some seemingly obscure event, while the mundane would be everything else said in a reading that didn't ring any bells.

I quite agree that people would most likely only pick out the bits of a 'communication' that made sense to them and forget about any other bits. I'm not sure what you mean by 'cold reading'. Don't worry I didn't take offence, you don't know me from Adam and any or all of us could be making all our posts up on any thread.
I can only tell you that the initial reading was done by e-mail from a photo which was provided by e-mail when the AC posted on-line asking for horses to practise on. I re-iterate that NO money has ever changed hands. Sis and AC regularly hold phone conversations, usually for AC to pass on what the horse had said now, apparently she sometimes interrupts when AC is communicating with other horses and has acted as an interpretor, ( I expect this making you even more dubious). There is no reading of body language going on and the AC has never been to our yard or met any of our horses in the flesh.
The things that have convinced me about the veracity have been the off-the-wall things that are very specific to individual horses, like Vardi's numnah, the pony's birthday cake and our JRT. These seem to me to be things which a 'horsey person' who is a charlatan would be unlikely to be able to make up or to be the kind of generalisations which owners who are 'desperate to believe' (as another poster put it) would be able to twist to their particular situation.
There were several other things which the AC put into her original reading which were specific to our horses and were unlikely to have been generalisations but which were not so unusual that no-one could have made them up, although it would have been a massive co-incidence for them to have been made up in relation to our particular horses - how many horses do you know who have been hobbled by the farrier? We know that this had happened and the AC told us about it.
 
I don't know if I believe or not. I don't have any horses with unidentified injuries but I can see how owners might go down that route if all else has failed - what have they got to lose?!! However, I would be much more inclined to part with my cash if I thought the communication was a two way street, if the communicator could get some things across to the horse - like pooing in one area of the stable would be helpful and pointing out that the green thing next to the menege is not a scary monster.

Now that is a very good point! If horses can communicate with ACs then why not the other way around?

Actually, my mare already poos in one pile in the corner and nowhere else. Problem is, that's where she also sleeps! :rolleyes:
 
Hedwards why on earth would you expect to see a change in the horses communicated with? It is just a communication a means on passing information from you to horse/animal and vice versa - why expect a change? You may get a reason for some behaviour or an answer to a question or a reassurance, but don't expect a change! My horse pin pointed his injury and pain - a chronic sacro illiac dysfunction (he had passed a 5 stage vetting) - he showed the AC himself falling down and showed his pelvis injured right hand side. The AC cost me £40 - do you know for insurance purposes it cost £3,781.00 for Sue Dyson at AHT to tell me the same. My horse was very aggressive and this didn't stop until his pain was dealt with. The communication helped by showing the injury; it was the best £40 I have ever spent.

Sounds amazing. Which AC did you use? Sorry, if you have already mentioned this and I missed it.
 
I'm fully convinced, and never really needed convincing. Yes there are people out there try to make money out of innocent people.
I've read too many books and seen too many things for it not to be real.
I also believe that its not a gift its actually something that can be learnt. It's like a sixth sense, which we all possess but over the years it been almost bred out, its to do with which side of the brain is dominant.

Anyway ill get back in my box..... :/
 
Hedwards why on earth would you expect to see a change in the horses communicated with? It is just a communication a means on passing information from you to horse/animal and vice versa - why expect a change? You may get a reason for some behaviour or an answer to a question or a reassurance, but don't expect a change! My horse pin pointed his injury and pain - a chronic sacro illiac dysfunction (he had passed a 5 stage vetting) - he showed the AC himself falling down and showed his pelvis injured right hand side. The AC cost me £40 - do you know for insurance purposes it cost £3,781.00 for Sue Dyson at AHT to tell me the same. My horse was very aggressive and this didn't stop until his pain was dealt with. The communication helped by showing the injury; it was the best £40 I have ever spent.

I think it all depends on the AC senses if that make sense?? Like some can see the whole past,some can hear,some can taste it all- which isnt nice for them if it invoce blood gut's etc. I know though all the treatment's mine has had with a AC he have changed. So yes they do change though a AC treatment. YC- I would say your's has changed as he is no longer aggressive not being in pain now that's all though the AC as they pin point it too. Shame it cost so much on the insurance!!

Mine is now a very calm boy now nothing like he used to be!
 
Wow. I've been at work (no internet) for 24 hours and this thread's been very busy while I've been away!

The posts are really interesting, but I don't think it helps me make my mind up. I am somewhat surprised by the enormous number of people who DO so strongly believe.

Like many here, I cannot accept that animals grasp such human concepts as being a disappointment to their mother, birthday cakes, the link between scales/weight/food portions and tastes in accessories (rugs and tack) etc.

I also cannot swallow the reading a photo thing. That just seems too far fetched. As does the idea that a missing dog is sending messages to an AC he's never met, to help him to be found.

But I don't entirely reject it all. I am convinced that there's still much we don't understand about the world and just because it can't be proved, doesn't mean something isn't possible. However unlikely.

But perhaps that's just because I WANT to believe, and maybe in the end that's all any of it's about. We so much want to believe that we convince ourselves something miraculous has happened.

Especially if we've just paid £50 for it. :D
 
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