Annoyed , neighbours getting a pup and work full time

littlelegs said:
Please don't think I'm picking an argument as that's not at all what I mean. But I really can't think of any emergency where a dog would need to be crated. Granted in a vets, but that's a different environment & the confinement is familiar to any dog who travels in a car. I'm not debating that for some people may need them, but i'm genuinely interested in what emergency scenario its a benefit to be used to one, as opposed to the dogs I've had who've never been in one. (assuming the dog is a normal well trained one who's fine in car boots etc)
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Sons puppy chews wires hes 8 weeks :eek:and he goes in it for safety they are good tool used correctly.
 
Cellie, I was refering to cinnamon toasts comment on them being essential in an emergency. For routine stuff I've managed without but can see as I said earlier they may have valid uses. I'm just really struggling to think of an emergency where a dog used to crates would have an advantage over one not. Yours is what I'd call daily routine use rather than emergency.
 
Dobiegirl, just seen your post (went to last page). I'm not against them at all if used correctly, but as above I'd like to know why its essential all dogs be used to one for emergencies. It's genuinely puzzling me.
 
I cant speak for Cinammon Toast, Imo they are not essential for emergencies ie dogs fighting I would put in separate rooms. I would imagine she was thinking of if a dog has to go the the vets and staying overnight, having an op and needing to be restricted on cage rest. If a dog was already used to a crate it would be less stressful.

I dont have crates for my Dobes and when Diesel went in to be neutered he was put in a crate for the first time and didnt seem fazed.
 
Vets is the only thing I could think of, & that's akin (for my lifestyle anyway) to being in the car boot, tackroom etc. Given the size of my kitchen the dog has similar room in that as he would in a cage when he's hurt himself. And even growing up all dogs were used to sometimes being in smaller spaces. Just thought I might be missing out on something as its not like I keep up with latest training methods.
 
Has this turned into a mini crate debate:eek::D
I think c and t means emergency like for instance a few examples we have had on the forum lately of "cruciate ops" or hip replacements at a good upwards £1500 + an op depending on type and upto £4000 for the hip you really do need that (stricter than strict rest) for the op to be a sucess and one particular user was struggling like mad to keep her dog confined and asked everyone else how they did and most of us used crates, as in my rotti and akita have been crated when they 1st arrived with me as rescue and although they have never been in their crates for years, they went straight back in for rest period, some livlier breeds literally need crate to toilet, crate to toilet until walking phase in an op like a cruciate repair or a complicated fracture repair.
I alos have to say, at work the stress some dogs display when placed in a kennel can often see them sent home before recovery which is not ideal but the stress needs to be controlled to an extent.

A client of mine had her boxers hip replaced for £4000 :eek: and the vet advised crate rest and they tried but she went bananas as she was not used to being in one and so they left her out and she climbed on the settee when they where out even thought they blocked it, needless to say something went drastically wrong and she now has no socket (im sure thats what happened) it was so badly damaged (cue angry vet) and a not very well recovered dog, (that would be an example)

Of course people get by without them but some simply cannot for varied reasons.
 
That makes sense cayla. I suppose growing up with pyreneans (even if crates were around then would have been a squash) & dogs I've had since its always been part of training that they be chilled in smaller spaces so really its just a different way of doing the same thing. Same as I've always had a safe place to leave a pup rather than a crate, just a different way with same result.
 
littlelegs said:
Please don't think I'm picking an argument as that's not at all what I mean. But I really can't think of any emergency where a dog would need to be crated. Granted in a vets, but that's a different environment & the confinement is familiar to any dog who travels in a car. I'm not debating that for some people may need them, but i'm genuinely interested in what emergency scenario its a benefit to be used to one, as opposed to the dogs I've had who've never been in one. (assuming the dog is a normal well trained one who's fine in car boots etc)
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Dobiegirl said:
I cant speak for Cinammon Toast, Imo they are not essential for emergencies ie dogs fighting I would put in separate rooms. I would imagine she was thinking of if a dog has to go the the vets and staying overnight, having an op and needing to be restricted on cage rest. If a dog was already used to a crate it would be less stressful.

I dont have crates for my Dobes and when Diesel went in to be neutered he was put in a crate for the first time and didnt seem fazed.
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Jake had two knee replacements and was crated as he was not supposed to walk without support. The ops cost over £6000, but more importantly, he had to fully rest until the bone knitted and I wanted a proper life for him afterwards. Fortunately, he was happy to be in there. His brother was not and we never trained them to a crate. The youngsters now are trained to it but no longer have it up unless there's a need eg Bear ripped a pad so we rested him.
 
I would offer to walk/play with it during the day, if that offer is rejected then I'd leave well enough alone. Forcing advise down people's necks is only guaranteed to alienate you from them and they might need your help in future.
 
It's cruelty. Poor animal will be covered in it's own s*** by the end of a whole working day! Poor animal has to stare at the Walls all day. I find it very sad.
 
That makes sense cinnamon toast, like I said, just something I've trained for in a different way with same results. Didn't mean to start an argument at all, just didn't want to think my dog was lacking an advantage a caged dog would have, wanted to check I wasn't missing something!
 
vieshot said:
It's cruelty. Poor animal will be covered in it's own s*** by the end of a whole working day! Poor animal has to stare at the Walls all day. I find it very sad.
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My pup was crated for 8 hours a day, with a break at lunch, from 12 weeks to 10 months. He never once messed his crate (and rarely went at lunchtime either), and despite having chews, kongs and toys in there with him, never touched them and just slept all day. Is that cruelty?! Or is it just possible that different things work for different people/dogs?!

I'm amazed by some of the assumptions on this thread.
 
People can't seriously believe that leaving an eight week old puppy that had never been away from mum all alone all day in a cage is not cruel!? If it's getting some checks in the day then it's not so bad but if it doesn't get seen to then its aweful!
 
littlelegs said:
That makes sense cinnamon toast, like I said, just something I've trained for in a different way with same results. Didn't mean to start an argument at all, just didn't want to think my dog was lacking an advantage a caged dog would have, wanted to check I wasn't missing something!
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To be fair, Jake stayed on his bed if not crated, he wasn't stupid. I doubt the current youngsters would be so obliging! They were crated at night, mostly, once the big dog was ok with them. I just find a crate so useful: we used it when we visited my parents and there was a big party: it meant I didnt need to worry about where they were or if the dog phobic girl was wetting herself cos they were loose!
 
ITs bloody cruelty thats wot it is.dogs arent meant to be locked in a cage all day.these people will soon realise wot a mistake they have made.making even an adult dog hold itself for 8 hours is focking cruel let alone apuppy.sorry but this just isnt on.
 
well, I keep a dog and work full time as does my husband. He gets up at 5.30 and gives the dog an hours walk, and training to keep his mind occupied, and hes with us till we left at 7.30. we left him in the kitchen, with plenty of toys, bones etc, made sure there was nothing he could hurt himself on, and paper when young. I came home at 12 30 and gave him another walk training and play, and then we were both home at 5 30 and he spent the next 5 or 6 hours with us, whatever we were doing.
He had settled into the routine by the time he was 5 months, never a bother to the neighbours, and lived happily with us for 15years.
I think it would be a shame to say all full-time workers shouldnt have dogs- ive seen many dogs belonging to couples who dont work shut in a garden all day and ignored
We have another dog now who happily followed the same routine until I gave up work.
 
stormox said:
well, I keep a dog and work full time as does my husband. He gets up at 5.30 and gives the dog an hours walk, and training to keep his mind occupied, and hes with us till we left at 7.30. we left him in the kitchen, with plenty of toys, bones etc, made sure there was nothing he could hurt himself on, and paper when young. I came home at 12 30 and gave him another walk training and play, and then we were both home at 5 30 and he spent the next 5 or 6 hours with us, whatever we were doing.
He had settled into the routine by the time he was 5 months, never a bother to the neighbours, and lived happily with us for 15years.
I think it would be a shame to say all full-time workers shouldnt have dogs- ive seen many dogs belonging to couples who dont work shut in a garden all day and ignored
We have another dog now who happily followed the same routine until I gave up work.
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thats not cruelty what you do.this puppy will be left in a crate for 8 hours or so unattended.read the whole post.what your doing is good.ive got 4 dogs-mine come to work with me,or i work from home.they have a heated warm single garage to themselves.i have a 12 week old pup aswell and dont leave her in a cage all day.
 
I can't quote on my Phone but just pointing out, not allowing an adult dog to wee for 8 hours isn't "cruelty" and we probably all do it every single day
 
stargirl88 said:
*at night
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You are right.:) I can go all night without a visit. But because I'm active during my daylight hours, I need to drink more (and because my bladder isn't what it used to be:o) I need to go when the urge comes. The idea of keeping an eight week old pup confined to a cage for eight hours a day during it's most active period without company/interaction from humans or other dogs is cruel and detrimental to the pups wellbeing. Cages have their place if used correctly, to use them as a convenient prison for hours on end is wrong.
 
I just couldnt believe anyone would keep a pup in a cage all day -or an adult for that matter. They should invest in a proper kennel and run, and get someone to come in twice a day while its small. OR get a hampster!!
 
Puppies that are kept caged so long will develope crooked leg bones.Exercise and movement keeps the blood supply going , that it is used correctly to nourish the developement,access to sunlight is also essential to avoid rickets.Apart from being unkind it is detrimental to it`s health,tell `em to get a gerbil or a toy train set:mad:
 
Kaylum said:
A puppy should not be crated during the day. Even if it's left alone in the kitchen it can move round chase it's kong and generally jump about and relieve the boredom. I work full time and have never crated in fact the idea has never crossed my mind. I do though come home a lunchtime to let my dogs out.
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LOL, the first time Murphy was left alone in the house he demolished a chair, completely! After that he progressed to digging great holes in the wall of the kitchen (3 times) and then through the lino and into the floor, all in effort to bury his bone! He was never left for more than an hour or so at a time - we soon realised why his previous owners sold him!! I only wish I could have found a crate big enough for him and he would have been in there like a shot.

OP, I wouldn't worry too much, give it a couple of months and they will be begging you to take it off their hands after deciding the money from puppies just isn't worth the aggro.
 
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stormox said:
I just couldnt believe anyone would keep a pup in a cage all day -or an adult for that matter. They should invest in a proper kennel and run!
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blazingsaddles said:
You are right.:) I can go all night without a visit. But because I'm active during my daylight hours, I need to drink more (and because my bladder isn't what it used to be:o) I need to go when the urge comes. The idea of keeping an eight week old pup confined to a cage for eight hours a day during it's most active period without company/interaction from humans or other dogs is cruel and detrimental to the pups wellbeing. Cages have their place if used correctly, to use them as a convenient prison for hours on end is wrong.
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Sorry I meant alot of people keep their adult dogs in for 8 hours a day (someone said it was cruel), I completely agree it's unacceptable for a pup!
 
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