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Ok, so if sisters mare needs a lot of time off, only a possibility, we may breed her. My thoughts would be as she is coloured, and their prices are higher, what are the liklihood of getting a coloured:

crossed with another coloured? (she is skewbald so what about with a skewbald? piebald?)
Crossed with a bay?
Crossed with a grey?
Or any other colour really?

We've already been asked to breed her to someones stallion (when seeing her at an event) and are in no doubt of her being a good breeding prospect but I think it would be nice to get coloured foal (although it depends still whether we will breed her on what the physio says).
 
To get a coloured 100% then you need to send her to a homozygous stallion; presuming she herself is not homozygous; if she is then you can put her to any stallion.
 
Use this-

http://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator1.asp?Error=1

to find out what your chances are, but like Tia said you need a homozygous stallion (or mare) to guarantee a coloured. I highly recommend Goshka Ringo (my mares are in-foal to him
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http://www.goshka.co.uk/Goshka%20Ringo.htm
 
ok, but I don't understand tobiano etc.! Thanks.
He just doesn't do it for me..looks almost tubby in those pics which is maybe what puts me off. Although he would add that little bit of bone which we'd want , certainly wouldn't want a lighter stallion. Actually just noticed he's 16h, we're reckoning a bigger stallion, say 16.3 might be better to get something slightly bigger.
 
It's all up to chance really. Obviously if you go with a homozygous stallion you will definately get a coloured foal. If you go with a coloured non-homozygous stallion there is a high chance (roughly around 70%) of the foal being coloured. If you go for a solid coloured stallion then it can be anyones guess. Generally though, grey is a more dominant colour and so the foal might come out coloured but go blue and white and later grey (a friend of mine's grey mare's foal did this).
 
Don't be put off by those photos- they don't do him much justice. All his youngstock I have met have been beautiful. Festivo is also very nice and slightly bigger
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Stanhopes Didicoy is also very very nice though I don't believe he is homozygous
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I don't think she was being necessarily rude about Ringo. Sometimes type speak can sound ruder than it is intended. I think Ringo is a stunner of a stallion myself but definately think they could do with a couple more flattering photos of him on their site as they really do not do him the justice he deserves.
 
I agree with Lillie and was just about to say myself that Festivo. another coloured stallion at the same stud as Ringo, is 16.3 and although not homozygous has thrown some stunning coloured and non coloured foals
 
yeh ok sorry i expect she didn't mean to be rude at all. I'm just very protective, lol!
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Agree website piccies are RUBBISH, he is soooooo much finer and loads better looking in real life. Think I may suggest to Kate and Tina that they need better pics!

Festivo is actually nicer looking than Ringo in real life, but I'm not as keen on his youngstock (that i've seen, still lovely though). Made me laugh when Kate and Tina said they were having loads of coloured foals from solid mares by him and then having non-coloured foals from coloured mares........just typical eh!
 
goes to show you that predicting colour is no easy thing. I've got fingers crossed my mare has a coloured next year...she's piebald and gone to a young bay holsteiner stallion. Won't worry if its not tho as the way I look at it if the stallion is nice then the colour should be seconadary. I'm a big subscriber to the theory that if you can picture the coloured stallion a solid colour and still like him then use him....to many horses out there are nicely marked coloureds but not nice conformationally when you look beneath the colour.
Would be great if they did get some new pics of Ringo, especially some ridden/competing pics of him.
 
A tobiano is a solid base colour with white patches and a tobiano always always has a head which is solid coloured (with the usual white blaze or whatever).

If you cross a solid coloured horse with a tobiano you have about a 50% chance of getting a coloured out of it; as I say, if you definitely want a coloured then you have to go for a homozygous stallion if your mare isn't.

Here is a calculator which might help you further: Don't forget this is chance so don't believe that this is definite because it isn't.

Foal Colour Calculator
 
Thanks for all the thoughts. Not sure where the idea I was being rude came from, he just didn't do it for me and the pictues put me off a bit...But I understand each to our own!
So a homozygous is the way to go if we want a coloured. Yes, I agree about the solid colour conformation ,as I have noticed a lot of coloureds have not nice heads (not Ringo I must add, his is lovely) and I think if breeding, we should go for the best we can.
I presume there is a blood test of types that would tell you if the mare is homozygous?
 
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I presume there is a blood test of types that would tell you if the mare is homozygous?

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I don't believe there is a scientific test out there to see whether a horse is homozygous for the tobiano gene or not; I think it is more based on offspring and whether both parents are tobiano, but you generally get a bit of an idea if they are homozygous as they normally have some spotted markings on them.
 
in fact there is a test to see about their homozygosity. It is done based on their DNA. Samples are usually taken from their tail hair follicles. They then test for whether they have got any genetic predispositions to certain colours as well as wheter they are homozygous or indeed heterozygous for a particular colouring and colour pattern.
Be aware when if you do try a stallion that states he is homozygous that they have actually had the test done and can show the certificate as proof as there are many of coloureds now being advertised as homozygous who aren't, based on what offspring they have thrown. Many of them may indeed be homozygous and just not been tested but others may well just have a very dominant colouring which is coing through more often than not.
In fact I saw a coloured stallion yesterday being advertised as homozygous...he apparantly throws well marked coloured foals and yet in the ad, on of his foals he is advertised with is a dark bay with no white on it at all!!!! Think someone needs to let that person know the meaning of the word homozygous as there is no way it would have had a bay foal if he was. (and no it wasn't just a minimally marked coloured foal - saw both sides and no markings at all!)
 
Ah thanks for clearing that up
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. I knew there was scientific testing for homozygous base colours, I just didn't think that the tobiano gene had been pinned down to 100% accuracy yet.
 
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