Another dog attack

I avoid two of the local staffies on our walks but only because if we're playing fetch they nick her ball and if we're not they won't stop playing and wrestling ;)

I had an American Bulldog cross, she had neurological issues and at the first sign of aggression (she attacked Jack with no warning when he was asleep) she's was pts. We did nothing different with her than any of our other dogs but those things happen and I had to do the responsibile thing. Her dad was an amazingly soft, well socialised dog (hey weren't a planned litter!) but they are a big powerful dog and they attract the wrong type. That I'm aware none of the rest of he litter have any issues.

I have no idea what the solution is. I see fights almost daily locally and I'm beginning to wish Baskerville muzzles were compulsory for all off lead dogs (then again mine is muzzled to stop her doing any damage if she goes after a rabbit so I don't have the association of it being cruel for her) to at least prevent accidents. There was a case with a local rescue dog that has been in its home for 9 years with no issues but was startled by a jogger on a walk and nipped her. Things like that would be avoided with muzzles but much like everything else, only responsible owners would do it.
 
Did anyone else see the photos of the American Bullys that attacked the child? A link to an article online popped up on my fb, and the dogs involved look very much like the VERY muscular type that I have seen pictures of before, in a few appallingly exaggerated examples they are, to me, deformed, almost frog like in their stance. I seem to remember the American Bully name being used then, as opposed to the American Bulldog which is larger, and although not my type of dog, far more normal looking, not hugely bulky like Bully type.
Does anyone know more about these types of dogs? Are they a new thing? A way to get around the law for the anti social type that want to look menacing? These dogs are considerably heavier than the American pitbull type (or what I have in mind when I think of a 'type' dog). I do hope that we are not going to start seeing too many of these around. I can't see many people wanting one as a pet anyway

Anyway the link is at the bottom.... very interested in what others thoughts are......the police say the dogs were not a banned breed, but looking at these photos, it does look like some have got cropped ears, which makes me highly suspicious, and I couldn't imagine why anyone would want to be breeding them in a mid terrace house (or anywhere else for that matter).

The whole thing is horrific and the woman who saved the child from these dogs must have been terrified, it so easily could have ended even worse than it did, if it weren't for her quick reactions to the situation. I suppose that's adrenalyn does that, but how on earth do you get over seeing something like that?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35155...-attack-girl-2-american-bully-dogs-liverpool/
 
ycbm said:
Is it legal to cut off a dog's ears if it's not injured?
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no. as I posted earlier, I am not the only poster on here to report ads of illegally ear cropped puppies for sale. I cannot imagine any vet doing it..

it is legal in Europe and the US and some cropped breeds will be imports.
 
I believe ear cropping has been banned in the UK for over 100 years. It is not illegal to own a cropped dog though and they do seem to be rising in popularity among certain types. Of course legally cropped dogs can be imported but there will no doubt be certain factions who take the DIY route :(
 
sarah.oxford said:
Does anyone know more about these types of dogs? Are they a new thing? A way to get around the law for the anti social type that want to look menacing? These dogs are considerably heavier than the American pitbull type (or what I have in mind when I think of a 'type' dog). I do hope that we are not going to start seeing too many of these around. I can't see many people wanting one as a pet anyway
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I saw photos of the dogs and they do look very muscular and over-exaggerated. I had never even heard of the breed before. A quick search on gumtree shows an alarming number of adverts for these dogs. It beggars belief that some Lab x SBT are seized under the DDA as "of type" and yet these dogs are not.
 
These would never fit the measurements I would imagine.

so it would seem they were originally mix American Staffordshire Terriers and American Pit Bull Terriers and come in 4 sizes, these being the XL version... which wiki suggests has the addition of other mastiff types. bigger is better obviously :rolleyes3:
 
Poor child, that is horrific. Another clueless owner who can't/won't control his dogs and other people suffer.

I'll put my hands up here and say that I'm very anti breed legislation as a rottie owner for many years. I think that banning certain breeds gives a false sense of security that doesn't actually make anyone safer - while a small dog may not do as much damage if it attacks, thee are plenty of medium size breeds, traditionally thought of as safe ie Labs, pointers etc that could kills. Do we have to ban everything over 20kgs? Will that stop dog attacks?

Dog vs people safety has to be the responsibility of owners. Far too many people have dogs that they don't control, don't train and as a result these dogs are potentially dangerous. Many of them are not the typical status dog owners either, some of the most worrying dogs I've seen are the spoilt brat types where their owner is scared of them and they are ruling the household. They are also the dogs that are running riot in the park with the ineffectual owner screeching from half a mile away...a bite waiting to happen.

When you ban a breed, the bad owners just move onto another one to ruin. As simple as that. Where do you stop? We're getting very close to all dogs being banned from public spaces. I really resent that, it's like all drivers and cars being banned because some drive dangerously, don't tax and insure ( yes I know, slight over exaggeration!). IMHO there needs to be a complete culture change regarding dog ownership and the responsibilities involved with compulsory TP insurance linked to the microchip and big incentives (linked to insurance premiums?) for training. Using the car comparison again, drunk driving was socially acceptable not that many years ago, now it's not...it won't be a quick change, kneejerk reactions like the DDA didn't actually cut dog attack numbers either here or in the rest of the world where they have stricter breed legislation.

Crap owners, whether they are crap because they have dogs to scare others or they have untrained, uncontrolled dogs running riot need to step up and deal with the fact they are part of society and have (dirty word again) responsibilities. If they don't they have to accept that they lose the right to have dogs, draconian but there you are. Like most dog owners I'm happy to do that, train my dog, take precautions in public places and with visitors to my home. I suspect that most people wouldn't think that was totally unreasonable. What is unreasonable is to tar me with the same brush as those who let their dogs injure others - I REALLY resent that!
 
WorkingGSD said:
I saw photos of the dogs and they do look very muscular and over-exaggerated. I had never even heard of the breed before. A quick search on gumtree shows an alarming number of adverts for these dogs. It beggars belief that some Lab x SBT are seized under the DDA as "of type" and yet these dogs are not.
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You just reminded me, there were 2 of this type of dog on my local Gumtree, £2000 for the pair. Then a couple of days later 2 had become one, so somebody finds them appealing..........
I try not to look at the pet ads, but it just happens....oh, and these 2 had cropped ears. The thought of anyone doing a diy job on the ears.....says a lot about the type of owners, which of course are what needs to be banned.
 
Oh the American Bullys are just so awfully put together. I feel so, so sorry for the poor things. You can't be pain-free with that conformation.

The ones in the Sun's pic don't look nearly as bad as some of the others out there.

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sarah.oxford said:
You just reminded me, there were 2 of this type of dog on my local Gumtree, £2000 for the pair. Then a couple of days later 2 had become one, so somebody finds them appealing..........
I try not to look at the pet ads, but it just happens....oh, and these 2 had cropped ears. The thought of anyone doing a diy job on the ears.....says a lot about the type of owners, which of course are what needs to be banned.
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please report them to the RSPCA or your local police. Not sure it will do any good but every little helps. I've known vets dock puppies just to stop the breeders doing it when pups are too old with a rusty spoon but I would be amazed if vets are doing ear cropping.

and I posted in haste earlier, its only legal in certain parts of Europe, so you can import legally docked Cane Corsos from Italy for eample.I hate it, the animal has been mutilated imo.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Has anyone else noticed the little monkey sat on the back of the sofa in one of those photos, I hope they rescued that poor little thing as well.
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Yes I noticed this. Says it all to me. I don't think primates should be kept as pets IMO.

I also hate the ear docking thing. I can't imagine anyone who could do that to poor puppies. It must be very painful for them. I think it all points towards irresponsible ownership.
 
SpringArising said:
Oh the American Bullys are just so awfully put together. I feel so, so sorry for the poor things. You can't be pain-free with that conformation.

The ones in the Sun's pic don't look nearly as bad as some of the others out there.

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That is exactly what I meant when I said I had seen exaggerated almost frog like stance, and the ones in the sun, ARE extremely muscular, and OTT compared with any other bull breed, they are nothing in comparison with these unfortunate animals. How on earth can anything built like that live a happy functional life??? Even as a 'pet' let alone be active in the way my SBT's are for example. Won't be too many of these doing anything agile, and I just keep asking myself WHY would anyone do this, except the ears are cropped which is probably a clue. These people should be banned from keeping any animal EVER imo.
 
MotherOfChickens said:
please report them to the RSPCA or your local police. Not sure it will do any good but every little helps. I've known vets dock puppies just to stop the breeders doing it when pups are too old with a rusty spoon but I would be amazed if vets are doing ear cropping.

and I posted in haste earlier, its only legal in certain parts of Europe, so you can import legally docked Cane Corsos from Italy for eample.I hate it, the animal has been mutilated imo.
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I did report it to Gumtree and then after the ad was removed, the new advert came up with one dog not 2. I reported it again to get the advert removed, which they did quickly - hence now I can't see it, but will keep a look out for a reappearance, and try what you suggest. Feel silly now for getting the advert taken down. (and not dealing with it properly)
 
sarah.oxford said:
I did report it to Gumtree and then after the ad was removed, the new advert came up with one dog not 2. I reported it again to get the advert removed, which they did quickly - hence now I can't see it, but will keep a look out for a reappearance, and try what you suggest. Feel silly now for getting the advert taken down. (and not dealing with it properly)
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well, at leat you did something :) screenshot the ads and then report to RSPCA. Its a very annoying form you have to fill in, they did assure me they would take it seriously but the guy is still advertising on FB :( .

I reported an ad to Gumtree that I am sure was a puppy farming front (they were advertising pups from the same parents several times a year) but they didnt do anything.
 
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