Another dressage rider in hot water.
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reynold
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Controversial Video Forces Carina Cassoe Kruth to Withdraw from Olympic Team Contention
Danish sport tv station and website TV2 reported that Carina Cassoe Kruth has been out of Danish Olympic team contention due to a controversial training video that was sent to the Danish equestrian federation o n7 July 2024.
Link to the EuroDressage article linked on the above Facebook page
Mentions that Helgstrand was one of her former trainers.......
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Kruth is a former student of Andreas Helgstrand and Thomas Sigtenbjerggaard.
millitiger
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Must be pretty bad if she has already apologied and stood herself down from Olympic reserve!
Sanversera
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At least these people are being found out
MagicMelon
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Have we in the UK been able to access the Helgstrand documentary yet?
jofwigby
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Not that i am aware of
bubsqueaks
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Golly wasnt aware of this thread I wonder if this is linked to CDJ incident in some way?!
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite
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God almighty not another one.
Sadly I rather suspect there's gonna be a good few "Elite" riders around who'll be trying to recall exactly who turned up and who was filming what at their various clinics held within the last few years .............. OS moments will abound I suspect because I have this awful sinking feeling that the CDJ incident was only the tip of the iceberg.
Sadly I rather suspect there's gonna be a good few "Elite" riders around who'll be trying to recall exactly who turned up and who was filming what at their various clinics held within the last few years .............. OS moments will abound I suspect because I have this awful sinking feeling that the CDJ incident was only the tip of the iceberg.
littlebranshill
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Why is the CD video in wide circulation yet no one can find the Danish video? Also both statements by both riders are almost identical i.e. errors of judgement and don't usually train that way!!
HollyWoozle
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Agreed @littlebranshill, their statements say just the same thing. All very weird!
Fransurrey
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I read somewhere that the whistleblower of CDJ did so due to the Danish case, hence the timing.
reynold
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If the whistleblower was that bothered about the Helgstrand case then she/he had ample opportunity to raise the CDJ video anytime after Helgstrand issue first surfaced in summer 2023 (threads on Helgstrand on here date from then and again Feb. 2024).
Lots of discussion of Helgstrand on the forum and the Danish documentary (which has still not been released outside Denmark) since 2023. Whilst the CDJ video shows completely wrong actions, the timing of the release 2 days before the Olympics was so obviously deliberate.
Lots of discussion of Helgstrand on the forum and the Danish documentary (which has still not been released outside Denmark) since 2023. Whilst the CDJ video shows completely wrong actions, the timing of the release 2 days before the Olympics was so obviously deliberate.
FieldOrnaments
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but look at the impact it's had. Horse welfare in sport has been catapulted into the minds of layfolk.
sbloom
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Deliberate to have the greatest chance of something actually being DONE rather than the mostly lip service after the Helgstrand case.
Burnttoast
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Really sick of people's implications that exposing abuse is somehow more worthy of comment than abuse.
Miss_Millie
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The timing doesn't really matter, the abuse happened. Although if the whistleblower was indeed trying to sabotage Charlotte's Olympic success, leaking the video 'strategically', that would only highlight further just how toxic the industry is - that people will put their ego and competitive ambitions, petty rivalry above the welfare of a sentient animal.
equinerebel
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Lots of discussion on a horse forum. None of my horse friends have any idea what Helgstrand even is. Everyone knows about the CDJ video because everyone knows CDJ, and now everyone is talking about horse welfare. The public and press included.
Crazy_cat_lady
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Why are people so obsessed about the timing? If she hadn't done it, there wouldn't have BEEN a video
The timing has meant it can't just be swept under the carpet
The timing has meant it can't just be swept under the carpet
reynold
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Another way of looking at the timing is that the whistleblower has had that video for 4 years.
CDJ claims it was a one-off. Whistleblower says he/she saw other instances but didn't have any film. If the latter is the case then it means that the whistleblower was quite content to leave other horses trained/ridden by CDJ at risk of abuse for all of that 4 years (or at least for the year after the breaking news of Helgstrand).
The sooner an issue is raised then the sooner corrective actions can be initiated. That goes for all animal related sports, including those involving dogs.
Similarly with the Helgstrand documentary. Court action was taken to try to prevent it being broadcast and it wasn't until after broadcast that H&H paid any attention to the issues raised and only after broadcast was Helgstrand suspended. Until then the abuse continued....
CDJ claims it was a one-off. Whistleblower says he/she saw other instances but didn't have any film. If the latter is the case then it means that the whistleblower was quite content to leave other horses trained/ridden by CDJ at risk of abuse for all of that 4 years (or at least for the year after the breaking news of Helgstrand).
The sooner an issue is raised then the sooner corrective actions can be initiated. That goes for all animal related sports, including those involving dogs.
Similarly with the Helgstrand documentary. Court action was taken to try to prevent it being broadcast and it wasn't until after broadcast that H&H paid any attention to the issues raised and only after broadcast was Helgstrand suspended. Until then the abuse continued....
9tails
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It wasn't 4 years ago, because in 2020 we were in lockdown.
It's almost certain that if this was leaked then, barely anybody would have taken a blind bit of notice considering the other stuff going on in the world. Now, we all know, mainly because it's affected the country's Olympic chances.
suestowford
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One one of the other threads (probably the one about CDJ withdrawing from the Olympics) there is a link to a video made by a lady who took a well-known dressage stable to court (in NL) for the physical damage done to her horse. It took her 9 years, and a small fortune, to get anywhere, and she suffered years of abuse from others within the dressage community as a result of blowing the whistle.
It's often the case, that people are afraid to speak up, especially if they fear they would not be taken seriously.
It's often the case, that people are afraid to speak up, especially if they fear they would not be taken seriously.
SaddlePsych'D
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This is why I think it was unwise for BD to include the comment on the reasons for the report being disingenuous in their official statement. If there is clear evidence of abusive behaviour, that should be the focus, not picking apart the person making the report and/or their motivations for reporting. It does not help foster a culture of speaking up.
M1lbie
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sbloom
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Only CDJ says it was 4 years, it seems more likely it's 2.5 years. There are many of us who find it distasteful that there is so much "but why did they sit on it" instead of "what the hell....?!".
Did the way she went about using the whip, and her comments about what a rubbish whip it was for "hitting hard" indicate to you it's a one off?
Whistleblowers are not beholden to our ideas of what they should do, nor to some idea of how they have to be the saviour of every horse. There are SO many reasons that people don't come forwards to report abuse, this is no different. There is a possibility that the reports of attempting to report it after the event are true.
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suestowford
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No. To me that looked like a move done many times already.
Reading this thread, it interests me that CDJ'S and CCK's statements are so similar. A person might suspect that there's a proforma statement dished out by the FEI for this kind of thing.
tristars
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A Lot of people would not come forward because they are afraid of the revenge aspect, if the abusers will do that to a horse they may do that or worse to anyone reporting , and being a video it's known where and who is the one exposing them, the thug aspect of abusers has already shown itself
ConnemaraColleen
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Hi All,
There’s also a terrible video surfaced from largo, Florida of a Connemara named Digby getting whipped