Another Government Stealth Tax on horse owners

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Taken from The Daily Telegraph 4th April 2009

Horse owners may be made to register on government database.

Anyone who keeps a horse would have to pay to register their animals on a government database and take out compulsory insurance against disease under plans drawn up by Whitehall.
The scheme calls for a “central register” of all farm animals and horses as part of a new regime for preventing outbreaks of diseases such as foot and mouth and bluetongue.
Owners would be obliged to pay an annual levy for every animal they own.
Laws would also force them to take out commercial insurance policies to cover the cost of treating or slaughtering their animals in the event of an outbreak.
The rules are primarily aimed at farm animals but documents from the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs indicate that the registration levy and the insurance rules “could also cover horses and their keepers”.
Registering a horse would cost an estimated £10.50 for every animal.
There are around 650,000 horses in England and an estimated 4.3 million people ride.

<u>note by me:</u> Another Government stealth tax raising £6,825,000 (Six million, eight hundred and twenty five thousand pounds per annum) plus the insurance costs.
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I do say that we need a much more considered approach on horse ownership and breeding in this country - Germany and France have a proper programme, and we can see it's sucessful from the horses that they are producing. I say this is a step closer to fufilling our potential as a horsey nation
 
perhaps, if you have an animal registered and duly pay your tax, they would not charge £400 odd for the road tax as you would have a *need* for one and not just have it as an accessory!

..........but then I guess, pigs might fly too!!!
 
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Anyone who keeps a horse would have to pay to register their animals on a government database

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And what exactly is NED then?

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Exactly what I asked when I read this a week or two ago.
 
If the Governement wants to include horses in farm animal rules they should class them as farm animals - and then rates etc would be reduced and planning should be easier etc. They can't have it all ways - of course they can they are the government.
 
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<u>note by me:</u> Another Government stealth tax raising £6,825,000 (Six million, eight hundred and twenty five thousand pounds per annum) plus the insurance costs.
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to fund new said stealth tax set up
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policing new said tax

total cost

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£6,825,000!!!

more wasted money, time, energy, ect ect ect
 
In France all horses have to be registered with French National Stud. For a horse born in France the cost of passport plus registration is 42 euros.

Import a horse from another member state with an existing EU passport and the cost (in most cases) for registration is 110 euros.

The scandal has been that France has also insisted that hapless importees pay a French Vet to produce a second outline and written description.

Thanks to lobbying by a number of organisations the EU Commission wrote to all Chief Vets last september remindng them they had no right to insist upon this duplicate 'ID'.

I think it would be perfectly fair for all French bred horses to have to be registered on NED for a similar fee of £100 but only after their passports had been checked by a British Vet.

It is a nonsense to believe that the French Database is more efficient than that in the UK.

1. There is no requirement to notify National Stud of change of address - only of change of ownership.

2. For the hell of it all my horses have been registered under my Scottish Address, which has never been queried.

3. I have numerous examples of pedigree horses of all nationalities in the French Stud Book as Origin Unknown, even where a French Stud Book exists.

4. I conducted a survey of apparently pedigree british natives offered for sale in France who have never been registered with mother std book. In one case the pony is shown on the French Database as a pedigree even though the breed society tell me they do not have a stud book in France and the pony was unknown to them. Buyer Beware!!!


So Don't be too hard on NED or DEFRA.
 
What is NED and passports all about then?

The government should remember that horses do not get foot and mouth or blue tongue and I object to somebody in a suit who probably knows nothing about horses telling me to pts my horse!!

No!!!!
 
I've not heard about this one but from july 1st all foals born must be micro chipped and have a passport with the matching chip number on. There will be a central register when the chip details are on computer.

I'm not aware of any extra costs except the chipping of each horse. But there may be questions raised with regard to who maintains the records as the huge increase of registrations currently with petlog will dramatically increase.

Surely though to have all future horses chipped will be a good thing, owners can be found easier, fingers crossed theft will be harder.

The main reason for this is disease control and identification etc see link: http://www.defra.gov.uk/news/2008/080306a.htm
 
Well as above I think its fine to pay to register along with other farm animals providing:
1. Horse is treated as a farm animal
2. Livery becomes VAT exempt
3. All supplements for horses become VAT exempt
4. Income for horse related activities is treated as farm income

This government really are a bunch of tw*ts, I am still really p*ssed off that corporation tax for large companies has gone down by 2% and gone up for small companies. Gordon Brown appears to rob from the poor to give to the rich.
 
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Well as above I think its fine to pay to register along with other farm animals providing:
1. Horse is treated as a farm animal
2. Livery becomes VAT exempt
3. All supplements for horses become VAT exempt
4. Income for horse related activities is treated as farm income

This government really are a bunch of tw*ts, I am still really p*ssed off that corporation tax for large companies has gone down by 2% and gone up for small companies. Gordon Brown appears to rob from the poor to give to the rich.

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Yep thats socialism... a ruling elite and a welfare dependent underclass, don't let people get on or improve themselves keep them down and reliant on hand outs, then feel they have to vote labour, we only have one more year of these bastards
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if they get in again... well anyone with any ambition would be mad to stay.. mind europe is doing so much damage too
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Yep thats socialism... a ruling elite and a welfare dependent underclass, don't let people get on or improve themselves keep them down and reliant on hand outs, then feel they have to vote labour, we only have one more year of these bastards
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if they get in again... well anyone with any ambition would be mad to stay.. mind europe is doing so much damage too
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What?! Socialism?! Do you not mean capitalism, cos that's what the UK is ruled by. Jus for reference...

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation.

Can we all please note the EQUALITY FOR ALL, this is the UK it's not about equaility for all or socialism...good lord.
 
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Yep thats socialism... a ruling elite and a welfare dependent underclass, don't let people get on or improve themselves keep them down and reliant on hand outs, then feel they have to vote labour, we only have one more year of these bastards
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if they get in again... well anyone with any ambition would be mad to stay.. mind europe is doing so much damage too
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What?! Socialism?! Do you not mean capitalism, cos that's what the UK is ruled by. Jus for reference...

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation.

Can we all please note the EQUALITY FOR ALL, this is the UK it's not about equaility for all or socialism...good lord.

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LOL read animal farm and or look at any socialist state current or historical, the thing you refer to only works in theory as it is totaly contry to human nature and as a result will never ever work and as a result ends in repression of the majorty, wealth and privalage for the ruling classes...
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I'm not a socialist, I hate the concept and I do realise that it does not work. But the UK is not a socialist state or a dictatorship, it is a capitalist state through and through.
 
I have 2 comments to make about 'horse tax'. 1st who is going to collect it from the travelling community? 2nd will it mean we can claim compensation when foot and mouth outbreak causes loss of use of horse while still costing us same to keep?
 
I would have no problem paying if horses were treated like farm animals in all respects i.e. no VAT on bedding etc...

Also would want there to be much tighter control health checks for imports.
 
Hi PiebaldSparkle, You have missed my point a little, My point is ..... We already pay to be on a national register via our passports SO WHY do we have to pay AGAIN to be on another register ???????????
 
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Hi PiebaldSparkle, You have missed my point a little, My point is ..... We already pay to be on a national register via our passports SO WHY do we have to pay AGAIN to be on another register ???????????

[/ QUOTE ] What part of jobs for the boys and girls dont you understand ... this sort of new legislation is inacted either for the EU to show the member states whos boss or to create yet more public sector jobs
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It's an absolute disgrace, another stealth tax. I have 4 horses &amp; poultry (kept on a shoestring) they are my hobby &amp; the reason for living in this foul world. We already pay more than enough. What about hamsters, guinea pigs, goldfish etc. No the government doesn't want horses, farming or the countryside. Next thing we'll have to pay road tax for our horses, they should pay us danger money for even benig brave enough to ride on the roads they are so dangerous these days! What we really need in this country is a dose of swine flu in Downing Street! We won't be allowed to breathe soon....b*******!
 
On my soapbox now gggrrrrrrr. Why has DEFRA given us such a small window to attend these meetings.........so a few people as possible can attend. It'll be pushed through under our noses just like everything else. They're not interested inlistening to us. If I wanted to live in a communist state I'd go &amp; live in China. What's happening in Scotland &amp; Wales? Need to check on that. Boy this has made me wild
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But horses dont get F&amp;M or Blue Tongue, so why should we pay for an insurance to have them slaughtered if there is an outbreak????? Bloody government again!!! Someone needs to go and stick a pitch fork up Gordon Brown's arse!!!!
 
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