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I was watching a programme on TV last night called plastic surgery for pets... A couple took a pair of puppy pit bulls into the vet to have their ears clipped for showing purposes! The poor things screamed when they woke up after the operation... all that so they would look 'better' in the show ring. To be quite honest I hought they looked ridiculous!

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you could say the same about docking tails.

and i saw a program that piglets have their balls cut off with no pain killers.. and thats legal if its done before a certian age.

it goes on everywhere
 

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I only saw the programme... never even heard it being done before. It was the nurse's reaction to the puppies screaming, she just said she wished the owners would see this bit and it might make them change their minds.

Sorry GTs, I didn't know it was here too.
 

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we (my family show dogs and breed them) we belive each puppy is beautiful, i dont care what they look like their personality is what counts. we have 3 5week old puppies right now and they are eahc to thier own! I woudl NEVER NEVER NEVER chnage them! They carry their mother's, father's etc genes and characteristics and that shoudl stay , no surgery to pull up and tuck up joules etc!
Shame on the vet surgeons that agree to perform surgery! Disgrace to human race AGAIN!
 

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I'm sorry...I guess that I am missing the whole "Disgusting USA" part of this. How silly of you really. Do you base all of your opinions of other countries based on what you watch on Television? Dogs and plastic surgery...LOL...I have lived here my entire 32 years and have yet to meet a doogie plastic surgeon! Not saying it doesnt happen, I know that ears are clipped here with certain breeds.but ...hmmmm...I'm thinking you were drew into a media hyped story and ran with it. Think before you post. Your post could have been served better with a different title....perhaps...."how awful to do to a dog"
 

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Sorry Jade w ! Not being anti USA but animal cruelty is worldwide ( Including ours) Cruelty is everywhere!!
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It wasn't all focussed on the USA... it was just that there was one particular vet over there who specialised in pastic surgery for pets, that was his whole job by the sounds of it, rather than being a vet who also did a few cosmetic things.

Sorry if I have offended anyone... it was just the bit based in other countries were not solely for cosmetic reasons but also for health reasons. The man in america in California seemed to think there was nothing wrong with what he did, even though it was putting the animals through unneccessary pain just so it would 'look better in the show ring'.

I know people dock their dogs tails etc, and again, I don't really agree with this unless it is for a health reason.
 

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Sorry Jade w ! Not being anti USA but animal cruelty is worldwide ( Including ours) Cruelty is everywhere!!
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Oh I know this all too well....see my pics in soapbox from today. i was just irritated by the posts title
 

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I am so sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I read the post that was put up prior and I ,it seems, am ignorant. I realise why you worded your title in this way. I can be hyper sensitive at times. sorry again. I have just experienced alot negativity towards the Us in the past so my guard is up at times. I also know why Peopel feel the way they do about it here. Just wanted to tell you that my foot was in moth this time.
 

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You're not allowed to clip dogs in ears in UK to make them stand up. Also in NI you're not allowed to dock animals tails. They get sent to S.Ireland instead. Don't know how tail docking stands in UK. If ear clipping is being down, it's being done wrongfully.
 

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I hate to see an animal of any sort in pain or having something painful just to look pretty. If they don`t like the little characteristics of the breed, then they should buy a different breed!!
Every time I see the Steve Urwin piccy above, it makes me very sad. He was lovely, a true animal lover. What a lovely cute picture.
 

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I do not understand the objection to declawing cats - seems sensible to me.

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Obviously you don't like your cats being able to climb trees, balance on fences, defend themselves, groom themselves... in fact, anything else natural!

Just to save your fecking furniture??

We have 4 cats, so thats 36 claws, and not one has penetrated our leather suit.

So why put them through the stress of the operation??

Declawing is sick and perverse.
 

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De-clawing isn't normal practice in the US and Canada ....... for outdoor cats. Outdoor cats never have their claws taken off.

It may be what some people choose to do for indoor cats however I know quite a few people who have indoor cats and they never had them de-clawed.

I also know plenty people in the UK who have their dogs dew claws taken off........is there a difference?
 

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I will not, nor have I ever had any of my cats declawed. I am not against it however. If it is done in a humane fashion when the cat is very young I feel it may be ok. Now let me explain why I feel this way. There are so many unwanted cats PTS every day all over the world. It is truly horrible how many animals are discarded . I do realise that this is best controlled by neutering and spaying animlas, but the truth is that it is not always done. Declawing may be the only way that a family is able to keep a distructive cat in their home. Lets be honest, if a cat is causing hundreds of dollars in damage to your home by scratching wood, screens, and furniture,etc... would you be able to keep it in your home? In many towns it is illegal to keep your cat outside unless on a leash. How many cats do you know that will tolerate a leash? If the only way to keep your cat indoors is to remove its claws then I feel that it is a better alternative to the cat then potential surrender to a humane society where it may be PTS. declawing some cats may keep them from needing to be re homed or destroyed. Sad and sick truth, but reality .
 

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That happens in England too.........

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oh, i thought it was illegal here.... <img src="http://horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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It is
 

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Isn't removing dew claws from dogs sometimes recommended by vets because they tend to catch and rip? I believe this was the case with my sister's adult rescue dog who was snagging her dew claws and making them bleed.

I suspect removal of dew claws is a bit different from de-clawing cats, however I see the problem if you have a destructive indoor cat.

You could start a whole new debate here - is it ethical to keep indoor cats??

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Declawing even when young will cause the cat serious balance and control issues for the rest of it's life.

It's not surgery I object to, it's the removal of something cats have for a damn good reason.

Dew claws, fairy snuff, their main purpose does seem to be to snag on stuff... and a horses chestnuts and ergots... they have no real purpose either...

But you wouldn't remove the horses hoof, so why remove a cats claws?
 

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But you wouldn't remove the horses hoof, so why remove a cats claws? [/quote

I am very cartain this is a pointless and obvious example

also.....I have been around many many de clawed cats and I have yet to see one stumble from lack of balance .
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I know what you mean about having it done needlessly. But many apartments will only allow declawed cats...and as I said before...If it is a destructive cat, do you think surrender to an animal shelter is a better alternative?
 
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