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I agree with frumpoon that these feelings aren't particularly rare, whereas finding help most definitely is and finding meaningful help even more so. Saying it has to start from within can also be particularly unhelpful.

It's just not true for everyone that things will get better and just because you are coping well with exceptional circumstances it doesn't mean that everyone is able to.

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It's naive to think kids all get the same schooling. For a start that means at least one adult has to not work, a younger student is no way going to sit down at a table and do stuff on their own, I suspect many an older school kid would still need help and support.

It's a very strange environment to learn in. Mine hates any kind of video teaching so that is not happening.

Also we have already done months of home schooling starting march last year, so we will know how schools do things differently.

I have a close relative studying to be a vet. Not sure that works amazingly well with online learning...
 

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I'm pleasantly surprised that your local force knows the story of Eyam, but disappointed by the spelling of "sacrafice".
Eyam is in the next county so yes well known story around here-I'll forgive them the mistake over sacrifice-they're working hard-had to rescue about nine families + kids from snowed in cars just on the edge of the Peak District-all but one car had driven miles to get there!
 
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I agree with frumpoon that these feelings aren't particularly rare, whereas finding help most definitely is and finding meaningful help even more so. Saying it has to start from within can also be particularly unhelpful.

It's just not true for everyone that things will get better and just because you are coping well with exceptional circumstances it doesn't mean that everyone is able to.

I didn’t disagree and I understand the feelings aren’t rare. It does have to start from within, only the individual has the ability to change things.

who says I’m coping?? The fact that I couldn’t go to my 3yr old grandsons funeral recently in the UK certainly didn’t make me feel like I was coping.
 
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This is 100% true and I've blocked Pollyanna because she's trying to get a bit too involved in my life for my liking

Excuse me? I assume that is directed at me? How the hell am I getting involved in your life by just Posting on this thread?? You seriously do need help and that is clear to all from your posts.
 
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Eyam is in the next county so yes well known story around here-I'll forgive them the mistake over sacrifice-they're working hard-had to rescue about nine families + kids from snowed in cars just on the edge of the Peak District-all but one car had driven miles to get there!

I grew up learning about Eyam and the Plague, but I'd got the impression over the past 20 years that the story had been more or less forgotten. I'm pleased the have that misconception corrected.

The A57 between Ladybower and the Royal Oak at Glossop has been closed all day, and anybody who knows the area would have expected that from the last couple of days' weather. From your post, I imagine that eight of those the cars that were stuck were from fairly far away.
 

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It's so hard for everyone. In my case I'm lucky I was able to rent my farmer's field next door during the first Lockdown (moved from the Livery 20 mins away) They are still there, very happy, currently on winter holidays and I think the farmer likes the rent too. So best thing that ever happened for me. (our house no longer has the land it used to but we still have the stable).
 

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Uni students are getting the same teaching that would have got anyway but online. Their fees are for the teaching element of their studies, anything else is entirely in their own hands. If i were them, I'd be more bothered about the Halls fees which have been paid, when the students could have stayed at home.
As for school pupils, they won't be a year behind, they are all receiving exactly the same teaching now, Online teaching for those at home, supervised by support staff for those at school in many schools that I know about. Those who can't access online learning, have for the most part been classed a vulnerable and been given a school place. Most of them could have had a school place in the last major lockdown but their parents chose not to take it up. Pupil premium children are 'vulnerable' for this purpose.

Our daughter is in the first year of her degree in Canada. She did the distance learning thing for a good part of the first term, but a lot of work was time-limited or live: she would have a live lecture or workshop discussion over zoom from 21h to 23h CET, or would have 12 hours to take a test, from 15h00 CET one night to 03h00 CET the next morning... it was not very convenient. She moved out there before Christmas as soon as travel restrictions were relaxed and did the two weeks' isolation in a hotel before moving into campus accommodation.

Her social life is very restricted, but at least she has some sort of social life with people on her floor and is able to get outdoors to go grocery shopping and to traipse up the big hill (Mount Royal).
 

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We've no idea what is going on in Frumpoon's life. And I can well understand, being a private person myself, her desire to keep her own business private. That's everyone's choice, and should be respected. It is extremely difficult to proffer a helping hand to someone who has drawn up the drawbridge. And it takes a fine sensitivity to know when to quietly step back.

But I do have to say how extremely grateful we should be, and humbled by, the desire of a stranger busy on their own life's path to pause, even just for a moment, in concern for another's well-being.
 

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I didn’t disagree and I understand the feelings aren’t rare. It does have to start from within, only the individual has the ability to change things.

who says I’m coping?? The fact that I couldn’t go to my 3yr old grandsons funeral recently in the UK certainly didn’t make me feel like I was coping.

Maybe I should have said common, as you said not common, that's what I meant.
It might have to start from within, it doesn't mean it's at all helpful to tell people you don't know that, it's highly likely to feed into their own self hate and feelings that things are their fault, they just aren't trying enough etc etc.
Not sure if I am managing to put it in an understandable way.
 

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Advice for equestrians in England during the Coronavirus (Covid-19) outbreak
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Please note, while the guidance is current at the point of publication, it may quickly be superseded following further government updates, or changes to the situation. Please bare with us while we make these changes.
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England - National Lockdown 4 January 2021:
England is now under a National Lockdown and there are new restrictions in place which will impact on horse owners and our riding schools. We understand how worrying this new lockdown will be for everyone but please be assured that the BHS will be providing support and guidance as it becomes available.
  • During the lockdown riding schools must close for public lessons and activities
  • Arena hire is not permitted, however arenas can be used for exercising horses which are stabled at the venue, livery yard or riding school
  • Horse owners, loaners and sharers can continue to travel to care for and exercise their horse when it is not kept at home
  • Livery yards can continue to allow horse owners, loaners or sharers to care for and exercise their horse
  • Horse riding can continue although all organised activities and competitions will be required to stop
  • Essential visits for the welfare of horses e.g. farrier, vet and physio can continue
Further details for riding schools, horse owners and coaches will be updated on the website as they become available. The BHS Welfare helpline is also available to offer help and support during the Coronavirus pandemic and can be accessed on BHS Care Line

I wish Horse Scotland, BHS Scotland and the Scottish Govt. were this well organised, we have had no specific guidelines and venues are continuing with clinics as they haven’t been told not to ???‍♀️
 
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You know what guys, I have worked hard to give as much as I can to help others, despite so much pain and heartache in my own life.

Ive done nothing other than post on this thread offering to help another member when a post appeared that clearly identified it was someone struggling, I haven’t intruded and asked any personal information, not entered into PMs, yet apparently I am pollyanna, when all I am trying so bloody hard to do is to keep myself and whoever else I can stay sane.

I thank you to all the wonderful people on this forum who have supported me during difficult times and I hope that others have seen my support to them.

Im leaving the forum and have requested admin to delete my account as I frankly am so fed up.
 

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You know what guys, I have worked hard to give as much as I can to help others, despite so much pain and heartache in my own life.

Ive done nothing other than post on this thread offering to help another member when a post appeared that clearly identified it was someone struggling, I haven’t intruded and asked any personal information, not entered into PMs, yet apparently I am pollyanna, when all I am trying so bloody hard to do is to keep myself and whoever else I can stay sane.

I thank you to all the wonderful people on this forum who have supported me during difficult times and I hope that others have seen my support to them.

Im leaving the forum and have requested admin to delete my account as I frankly am so fed up.

Please don't over-react. It's just an exchange that hasn't worked out the way you intended. Let it go and remember all the good stuff.

Lock down and coronavirus angst is a really serious problem, getting to lots of us!
 

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I feel so desperately sorry for children and young people. If this was your first taste of adult life at college or university you'd be completely justified in feeling devastated .

What government policy is saying and underlining in red and capital letters is that young people don't matter, working people don't matter, healthy people don't matter. The only people that matter are the elderly and infirm.

Surely we are ALL devastated. We are all feeling sad for youngsters, especially those who already lack opportunities and advantages in life.
There are school age children, and exhausted teachers and head teachers, in my family. When the vaccination's doing its job, the schools will go back.

I also feel deeply sorry for the elderly people who died in care homes while their families were unable to visit and hold their hands.
I wonder if they feel that elderly people are the top priority for this Govt.

If social contracts need reviving, how about starting with this one?
"I am announcing now – on the steps of Downing Street – that we will fix the crisis in social care once and for all with a clear plan we have prepared to give every older person the dignity and security they deserve" Boris Johnson, 24 July 2019
 

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You know what guys, I have worked hard to give as much as I can to help others, despite so much pain and heartache in my own life.

Ive done nothing other than post on this thread offering to help another member when a post appeared that clearly identified it was someone struggling, I haven’t intruded and asked any personal information, not entered into PMs, yet apparently I am pollyanna, when all I am trying so bloody hard to do is to keep myself and whoever else I can stay sane.

I thank you to all the wonderful people on this forum who have supported me during difficult times and I hope that others have seen my support to them.

Im leaving the forum and have requested admin to delete my account as I frankly am so fed up.
I'd ignore that one, now I've found out who the name calling person is. They were quite vile to me on a previous thread, trying to impose their views on me, some very distasteful things said.
Ignore, step away tonight and breathe, come back refreshed tomorrow. (And block them, I have, much more pleasant)
 

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My Full livery yard is going back to time slots. Three a week :(
I’m so thankful we aren’t shutting down like last time but still sad about it
 

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HHO online has to be the only place where somebody can take offence at another person posting about their own state of mind and then get further offended that somebody they have blocked has also blocked them in return
 

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The only issue we are having is non tech savvy teachers.

My daughter's French teacher spent half of today's lesson trying to sort out technical issues. Normally she'd be able to call on someone from the computing department but she was flying solo today.

I really feel for teachers, this must be enormously stressful.
This *will* improve fairly rapidly. I taught online all through lockdown 1 (proper lessons delivered via Teams) and will be doing so again this time round. I went from a complete numpty with technology to fairly proficient pretty quickly. It's a needs must kind of situation!

I do agree that remote lessons are not the same as being in school and having face to face lessons. But we have to do the best we can with the situation we're in. I do think there will be a far greater expectation for teachers to be delivering proper lessons and I know most teachers will be doing their absolute best. Some will really struggle though and, for those of you with school age kids, please be patient for the first couple of weeks. After that, if you do notice that some teachers are delivering very poor quality lessons compared to others at the same school then do contact the headteacher. Not for a b!tching session but with some constructive criticism ;).

I do feel so sad for all the school age children out there. I love teaching and I know we provide an invaluable service; it's so hard to do as good a job when you're teaching via a computer screen!
 

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You know what guys, I have worked hard to give as much as I can to help others, despite so much pain and heartache in my own life.

Ive done nothing other than post on this thread offering to help another member when a post appeared that clearly identified it was someone struggling, I haven’t intruded and asked any personal information, not entered into PMs, yet apparently I am pollyanna, when all I am trying so bloody hard to do is to keep myself and whoever else I can stay sane.

I thank you to all the wonderful people on this forum who have supported me during difficult times and I hope that others have seen my support to them.

Im leaving the forum and have requested admin to delete my account as I frankly am so fed up.

I was going to stay out of this, but here I am offering my 2 cents again...because I never learn.

I've been fed up with people in general more times than I can count. I've wanted to rage quit the forum more times times I can count.

I think the part that stuck out to me was saying things such as "you need help" "you seriously do need help and that's clear from your posts" and so on...it isn't constructive even if well intended. Statements such as those are very rarely well received and often carry a negative tone. As if the person is lesser or doesn't know what is good for them. It's sort of insulting, even if you don't mean it that way! Written communication is tricky. It's also hard, you never know what the other person has going on that dictated their response at that particular moment. Offer compassion and/or assistance, if it is declined or not taken well, change your approach or move along, but don't get discouraged from showing compassion in the future. The world needs that.

I will be impressed if anyone comes out of this whole thing completely sane. The time of year, the lockdowns, the pandemic on general, it's rough. Never mind all of the other BS that life throws at us. It is so hard to cope sometimes. Some can do it on their own, some seek professional help, some have a network or even a single friend that helps them. No way is wrong or right, it depends on the individual.

I really appreciate when others show compassion or acknowledge the struggles of others. Many of us are a bit (at least) fragile at the moment. It's so hard not to take things personally. If you've got to step away, nothing wrong with that. HHO will be here when/if you feel like coming back. Nothing wrong with focusing on yourself or doing what is best for you.
 

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I get riding centres and establishments having to close as they generally have a large footfall of public clients, even if offering 1-2-1 lessons etc. However, is it still permittable to have 1-2-1 lesson on your own livery yard with on-site manager/ trainer who's livelihood is running the yard? We could use a remote earpiece outside of arena so rider would be only body in OUTSIDE arena? A blanket rule seems unfair for the very small livery yards who rely on this extra income :-(

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I feel so desperately sorry for children and young people. If this was your first taste of adult life at college or university you'd be completely justified in feeling devastated .

What government policy is saying and underlining in red and capital letters is that young people don't matter, working people don't matter, healthy people don't matter. The only people that matter are the elderly and infirm.

Sorry but I think this is a really unfair comment. Young people experiencing their first taste of adult life will get over this. Would you at 18 have been willing to sacrifice your Grandmother's life to go to a freshers party and have a fun year at uni? Plus many much younger people die of Covid - how many are to be sacrificed so that the rest of us can enjoy life as normal? And do we let them just die at home, because once the hospitals are full something has to give, either not treating Covid patients or cancelling other treatments. There is no choice but to have restrictions, and of course they will be harder for some than for others, but saying that these are only for the benefit of the elderly or infirm is ludicrous.
 
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HHO online has to be the only place where somebody can take offence at another person posting about their own state of mind and then get further offended that somebody they have blocked has also blocked them in return

It was the uncalled for name calling that has offended me. Your insult was accepted in the manner it was intended. It is so easy to sling mud online as you don’t need the courage to say it to someone’s face.

I have logged on as I have had many PMs from users on here about this thread. Thank you to all who have PM’d me about this vile individual. I will indeed carry on being kind to others and this individual won’t change that.

Just remember before you name call, we are all trying to survive and remember that whilst an image may be portrayed of a calm person paddling on the surface, the legs are frantically paddling just to stay afloat.

Name calling is simply childish and has no place in this world.
 

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For people worried about schools, I would say to give it a couple of weeks and I think provision will be a lot better this time round.

With the first lockdown, we (primary) had little time to prepare and thought it would only last a couple of weeks. We gave work in a work bag along with books / necessary resources etc. When it became apparent it would be longer than a couple of weeks, we offered a couple of online resources that we bought in, for maths and English. These purchased resources did mark work automatically and the teacher could see who was responding and who not, and catch up with those who were not engaging. Other than that, individual teachers set other work via the website, but there was no marking of that.

As I understand it, initially the Govt. for primary schools did not set an expectation in teaching and learning. The in-school provision was more childcare than teaching, many different age groups in together. We did colouring, PE, games, gardening and the work set by the teachers. Thus, children in school had the same opportunities as those who were in the best of situations out of school, but not more.

When we went back to school in summer, the staff were not idle. We purchased a lot more tech to be able to teach children and classes who were isolating. The virtual lessons became proper, there were methods purchased to send work in for marking. We were better prepared for whatever would happen next.

This lockdown came with the head teacher having the same notice as you! She was infront of the TV, listening to BoJo, simultaneously trying to write the letter to parents, bearing in mind it was late evening!

Yesterday we were planning. The teachers are working their socks off.

This time, the Govt. has specified normal lessons. We now have the tech structure already in place. This lockdown will NOT be the same as the last as regards teaching. Certainly in our school, and by the Govt. set expectations, not in any school.

I would give it a couple of weeks, bearing in mind that, just on Sunday, schools were "not shutting." I predict that the structures are already in place this time round, and it won't be long before the content and checking catches up.

I do agree that this is not as good as face to face teaching. But it is what schools can do at present.
 
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