Another Parelli Horsemanship Problem

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One of my liveries and they are the only one is training his horse with ropes etc its not Parelli not sure what its called but its causing problems with some of my liveries, i.e. they are riding, said person goes in the school and starts doing his thing which involves throwing rope around jumping up in the air, skipping and so on, obviously normal english trained horses are unnerved by this.

I am being unreasonable asking them that if others are in the arena that they tone down there throwing of ropes etc and keep to one end of the school. I hasten to add that they don't actually ride this horse.
 
I dont think its unreasonable at all. You could maybe try and make it less personal by enforcing 'rules of the school'. e.g. pass left to left etc. Just adding a rule to be quiet and calm while other people are working.

If not i would def say something. If they really scare a horse it could cause an accident, and having a young horse i know how much i appriciate other people being careful around us, and i return the favor.
 
Nope not unreasonable at all. We used to only go in the menage with another horse already in there if we asked permission, and no-one would dream of waving ropes etc whilst someone was riding. We'd even ask if one was lunging if it was ok to use the other end of the school.

You can always say you have a duty of care to the other users
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Yes I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask them to stay in one end of the arena, and ask the riders to stay up the other end. No need to be mean to anyone, live and let live, in harmony.
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Might be worth suggesting that the "normal English trained horses" be given some bombproofing lessons though.
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That's pretty bad if they are scared of a rope flapping around
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Thanks guys, I have spoken to person and diplomatically explained situation, not that they could see what they were doing was wrong and even had audacity to ask if I was informing new liveries of their training methods, to which I said I didn't feel that was entirely necessary, will just have to wait and see if my little chat has had any affect if not then I will have to find a plan B.
 
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What are they doing that is wrong?
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I think the OP means that scaring flapping ropes around other people trying to school was wrong, not the NH training method?
 
Perhaps eoe was meaning "wrong" in the sense that throwing ropes around & leaping up & down when someone is trying to school is at the least inconsiderate ? Not that the training they are using is wrong ?
 
Hmm perhaps. I'd be shocked if my "normal" English trained horses bothered about ropes flailing about within my arenas though. And if they did bother, then meeting the flapping ropes would be their next training lesson.

Now people getting in the way of others is different, which is what I took the OPs post to mean, hence that I totally understand and obviously requires some proper arena management.
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I won't ride any of our horses in the school if anyone is lungeing, long lining, doing Parelli stuff with ropes or whatever. Not worth the risk if the horse gets free and one or more gets caught up.

Over cautious? Maybe. But not something I would want to risk personally.
 
What they're doing is building up trust. By 'flinging ropes about' the horse realises that the owner will not hurt him. But yeah, I know what you mean by 'wrong' Horses are known to get easily distractedxD so when theres some horse at the other end being skipped around they're bound to be distracted. At most yards dont they book the school? So only livery of w.e uses it at a time? iunno.
 
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Perhaps what is wrong is the person continuing when they can see it is causing a problem?

I am definately of the attitude that horses need to deal with things, but I think there is a time and a place for it.
 
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Might be worth suggesting that the "normal English trained horses" be given some bombproofing lessons though.
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Might be worth suggesting that the "normal English trained horses" be given some bombproofing lessons though.
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PF and A would be HORRIFIED if someone started chucking a rope at/near/around them!!
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PF and A would be HORRIFIED if someone started chucking a rope at/near/around them!!

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Wish mine were more like that - if I throw a rope, stick - you name it, at my couple of buggers, they would just grab and chew it, or ignore and continue with whatever naughty thing they are in the middle of doing.

Sometimes having horses that are used to having things waved at them is a disadvantage when you want to get them at a distance from destroying the dog club A frame in the school. Keeps me fitting having to keep running down the school to remove them from said item.

I do agree that she should do her training either at one end of the school or book it when others are not schooling. That said, I would urge people to get their horses used to odd things flapping around them - makes life a lot safer if they do accept odd things in odd places.
 
I always thought it was dangerous for people to ridein a school while someone was doing ground work (whatever form that takes) with their horse. Point being you havew more control on top than you do on the ground, unless superbly trained to lunge and longline. Point in case...I was riding my pony while a "friend" was long-lining her ex-racer...by long-lining take that as being virtually at the end of the long-lines. So when the ex-racer took it into his head to be a racer, got free and went careering round the not small school (80x25m) all we could do is halt and make ourselves as small as possible. I was terrified that he was going to smack into all of us and injury all of us. Another case is a recent addition to the yard....who thinks its hilarious to gallop her heavy horse up behing you and get your mount to kick out in defense...so ignorant, selfish behaviour probably more the issue. We have a rule to be considerate to other people on the yard..I have seen little evidence of that of late, but then does everyone think they and their horse are the most important beings in the universe???? I have given up...get on with my own thing and try to keep out of harms way as much as possible.
 
My horse is fine with people, prams, lorry's, buses, cars, tractors etc. All the things he needs to encounter day to day. In all honesty if someone started acting like that, I would be keeping a worried eye on them too and perhaps joining my horse in legging it.

But regardless of whether he was worried by it or not, if someone started that carry on when I already in the arena trying to school, I would be well pi5sed off. This is an arena management issue,

It shows no manners/common sense or consideration for any other user of the arena and lunging long reining and the like should not be done when other horses are working around them. if someone needs to use the school privately, for such a purpose or even lessons or to ensure peace if they are doing a youngster or whatever, then it should be booked & other liveries informed so they can schedule around it.
 
I don't longe or long rein whilst people are schooling, nor do I ride while other people are doing so. I feel the risk of disaster is just too great, especially since I've seen a longed horse shy sideways in front of a ridden horse passing on its outside and the end result was not pretty. Not worth it.

But, to the issue of people on the ground having "less control" I don't see that's necessarily true. After all we've all ridden in collecting/warm up rings with horses being held on the ground and it's not the end of the world. If someone is in the school with other riders and not in control of his/her horse then sure that is the essential problem?

In which case wouldn't the same thing apply to people riding who cannot control their horses enough to prevent interference with other horses? I've had horses unnerved by all manner of unexpected/odd behaviour from fellow riders over the years, including spooking, excessive use of the whip, yelling, attempting to teach a dog to "ride" on the saddle, screaming fights between siblings/parents and children/supposed friends, spectacular and repeated jumping crashes/refusals etc etc. They are all "arena management" issues and depend a great deal on how everyone else feels about the situation. A massively spooking horse doesn't bother me much if I'm riding a relatively established horse but it would alarm me if I was, say, the parent of a child riding at the same time.

I think being the only person doing something different is a very tough situation. I see it all the time with people with young horses - in theory everyone is tolerant, in practice somewhat less so. So whomever is making the rules has to tell them what the boundaries are, when they can ride, what sort of behaviour can't be allowed during peak times, and what their options are for working at other times. Usually a tactful conversation does the trick.
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