Another sarcoid question, thuja???

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My daughters 3yr old pony has 2 sarcoids, that appeared a couple of months ago. The vet wants to use the liverpool cream but i thourght id try a natural attempt at shiffting them 1st.

She has been having the thuja tabs and cream for 3-4 weeks now and i think at least 1 of them (the 1 thats easy to see) looks a bit smaller. Its not a big difference though, but they def not growing anymore. It seems to scab up then the scab falls off leaving it a bit smaller every few days.

So what would you do, should i continue as i am and does anyone have any experiences with sarcoids and thuja? Or should i just go for the liverpool cream. Which i am worried about as one of them is right up between her back legs and she seems to find it ticklish up there. So would be difficult to apply the liverpool cream without risk of it going everywhere. I am also aware that i have to decide quick as dont want to go down liverpool cream route in the fly season.
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several years ago I had a horse with sarcoids on her face and inner thighs. We used a homeopathic vet from south wales who sent us thuja drops and some cream. We used both as prescribed and the sarcoids crusted over, crusts dropped off leaving a smaller sarcoid until eventually they went altogether. The cream may have been similar to the liverpool one as it was quite caustic and we put vaseline around the area to prevent it burning the healthy skin. It may be worth you persuing this avenue as it worked for us and was all done at home with minimal trauma to the horse. Good luck
 
Thuja can take a while but ive heard several reports that it works. My mare had liverpool cream done in the summer and was fine. Carry on with the thuja for a bit longer, its a fraction the cost of liverpool and the flies wont be bad for a while yet if you are worried about them.
 
Hi Pinkp. Have you had a look at Prof Knottenbelt's definitive guide to sarcoids? You can google it. It is absolutely the best advice ever and the Prof is a world expert on sarcoids in horses (amongst other things). That's why Liverpool cream is so called.

Anyway, the thing about sarcoids is that some lumps and bumps and scabby patches can LOOK like sarcoids but aren't. But some can look like sarcoids and ARE! So what happens is people try different treatments and when they get rid of the lumps and scabs they think what they did must be a "cure" for sarcoids. But if they weren't sarcoids in the first place, maybe just warts or something, then this is a dangerous thing for others to believe.

Sunny had 2 raised scabby patches appear on his face 18 months ago. My vet said the current thinking was if it LOOKS like a sarcoid, treat it as if it is one (NB other vets say the opposite!). So they applied Liverpool cream every 4th day, with 4 treatments in all. Worked a treat. Scabs got angry, then crusted over, then nothing for a week or 2, then scabs dropped off and healthy skin underneath. Some months later, I found a couple of odd scurfy, knobbly patches under his mane and, not sure if they were sarcoids or not, got some advice on thuja. Thuja by mouth is supposed to be given under strict conditions, ie no polos, no strong smells on your hands, etc. So I tracked down some 30C potency Thuja cream and applied that. You just slap a dollop on and rub it in. Worked a treat. BUT BUT BUT!!!! These other 2 patches may NOT have been sarcoids so I would never dream of saying Thuja cream clears sarcoids. What it did for Sunny was clear up 2 funny looking patches. They might have cleared up just as well with vaseline or Oil of Olay for all I know lol!!!

What I always suggest is, ask yourself if YOU had a funny looking skin patch on your arm, leg, belly etc, what would YOU happily slap on it? Or would you insist on seeing the doctor?

Liverpool cream has a good reputation and a good success rate but I think you'll find it has to be applied by a vet as it is extremely toxic.
 
Mine has a sarcoid which the vet treated with Liverpool cream but it didn't work. He had to be sedated and it made him really nervous of being touched near it (this was with previous owner). It's also right up inside his back leg.
I now use a herbal&homeopathic salve (thuja is one of the ingredients) and very slowly but surely it is shrinking. It causes no pain at all. I get it from a fully qualified herbalist / homeopath and she said it has been really successful on sarcoids. The treatment started with thuja tabs as well.
Liverpool cream I have heard is good but it's expensive and highly toxic, plus is burns like crazy hence the sedation. I know some people have had success with camrosa but seeing as I don't know what's in it I'd never use it on one.
 
i use newmarket bloodroot ointment, which does burn slightly (i only use it on areas where it won't contact with other skin, e.g. wouldn't use it between back legs), and i surround the area with vaseline. it works brilliantly and is a LOT cheaper than the liverpool cream.
 
What sort of sarcoid is it? My mare had 2 between her back legs that looked like marbles (or even mini goollies!). The vet banded them & injected them with Liverpool cream. We onl treated these ones as they were fast growing & rubbing together. The cream was injected rather than put on because of the location & the risk of it spreading where it wasn't wanted. She had 3 sarcoids on the saddle & girth areas treated by applying Liverpool Cream. The first she got between her legs split & came off of it's own accord( the 2 treated ones grew in it's place though) as did another on her chest. I am getting a lot of sarcoid experience with this horse!
The thing that is vital to remember is that every failed treatment reduces the chances of another one working so if you are thinking of going for the liverpool cream don't try lot's of other things first. The success rate of Liverpool Cream is something like 65% & blood root about 55% if I remember correctly. I spent ages weighing up whether to go for the cheaper bloodroot first but it was the knowledge that if it failed Liverpool Cream would be less likely to work made me go with Liverpool Cream. Still waiting for the blasted scabs to come off to know if it's worked & am becoming convinced she is sticking them back on so she doesn't have to work!
 
Thanks for all your help. I figure i will give it another couple of weeks and see if any more change again.

MyGeroge, how long did it take for them to go? and what was the skin left like afterwards?

Its so hard to know what to do, the thing im most worried about is if she gets another one. But if they dont get any bigger i guess nothing to be to concerned about.
 
difficult to remember but it was several weeks rather than days or many months. probably about a week or ten days until each scab dropped off to reveal a smaller sarcoid beneath and about five or six of these repeats. The skin was paler and less hairy but otherwise normal and no more sensitive than other areas. They didn't come back and she was not bothered to any great extent. I have remembered his name, it was Nigel Dodman MRCVS from Montgomery in Powys. He was both a conventional and homeopathic vet.
 
Pinkpeeper

You do not say where they are or how big they are.

I had an Arab mare come to me that had 1 at the corner of her eye and 2 between her front legs.

I used homeopathic and essential oils to get rid of them. It too a few months but she no longer has them and no more have come back.
 
The 1st sarcoid is at the outside back of her hind leg, its about the size of a marble, the 2nd is on the inside of her other hind leg but right up at the top, this one is samller and flater . This one is hard to see and get at, they both apper to be the fibrolastic type but they arnt sore.

This morning iv had a really good look at both, the bigger 1 is def smaller, id guess about 1/5 smaller than it was before we started the thuja. The smaller one is very interesting, it seems to be comming away at the edges and now has a very small neck holding it on, actually feels like it might just fall off in a week or two. So i think im going to carry on as we are for a bit longer.

Currently they seam to scab up every 3ish days then the scab falls off and leaves healthyish skin but each time they look smaller.

Iv read everything i can find on sarcoids, which gernerally has given me more questions than answers.
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Hiya,

I've had three horses with sarcoids, all chesnuts and treated them all successfully with Camrosa, can't reccomend it highly enough and it doesn't burn or have any adverse affects and sarcoids just drop off within a week or two, one gelding had a sarcoid so big it was the size of a golf ball in side his thigh and all sore and crusty it was gone within a fortnight!

My bullterrier had a huge growth that came up on his side and had a crusty head, vets wanted him in quick to operate but due to his often aggressive behaviour they wanted him in when practise was quiet so I started to treat with camrosa and within a week the growth had gone!! Pretty amazing stuff, heres the link if you want to look it up and you can buy it direct from them! http://www.camrosa.co.uk/
 
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