Another Stallion Suggestions - With pics

[MouseintheHouse]

Hi, I'm new to this forum as a member, although I have been browsing for quite a while!

I am seriously considering putting my mare in foal (her second) and would appreciate any suggestions/advice that you may have regarding conformation of my mare and possible stallion choices.

I have weighed up all the pros and cons and realise that it would be cheaper to go out and buy a weanling/yougster already on the ground, but I really want a foal from my mare who is (as far as I'm concerned) the best thing on 4 legs! I have the facilities/finance/time and the foal will definately be a keeper.

My mare is a 15h cob of unknown breeding. Fantastic temperement, totally unflappable and takes everything in her stride, usually with a smile on her face!

I am looking to breed an allround pleasure horse, low level competing (RC) but mainly for long hacks, charity rides, trips to the beach etc. So the stallion needs to have an amazing laid back temperement also - nothing sharp or fizzy. Ideally offspring would mature not more than 16.2h.

I don't really want to add any 'blood' and would like to keep her substance! Bottom of the list - I'm not too keen on feathers or greys either!

Any constructive critisism (sp?) on her confirmation welcome!

Here are some photos of her - not the best as she's still in her winter coat that's coming out in clumps!

 

[magic104]

Thankfully there are plenty on here that will give you suggestions on stallions, for me your mare is not good enough to breed from. Judging by the photos obvious conformation problems, long backed, shallow feet, upright pasterns. She also looks to be built down hill, it is just not enough to have a good temperment. To add to it all you have no idea of how she is made up as you dont know her breeding. You are going to find a stallion who really stamps his stock, Legrand & Htobago seem to do that, though if I had a stallion I would be worried about using him on this mare.

The harsh reality is your circumstances could change where you are not able to keep the offspring & unless she has a fantastic competition record it will never bring back the cost of getting it on the ground. I am truely sorry, but I for one think this mare represents all that is wrong in UK breeding. I honestly do not mean to be harsh, & I feel awful, as you obviously love her very much, but think very hard on your choice of stallion. As I said you will get plenty of suggestions & there will be others who think your mare is suitable. As she has already bred a foal, who was the sire & do you have any photos to give an indication of the sort of foal she can produce?

 

[the watcher]

I'm not going to make a judgement as to whether your mare is suitable, you say you have already done that and hopefully you understand the potential risks to your mare of putting her in foal.

To produce something slightly more athletic, with more height, you are going to have to look at the smaller warmbloods, possibly Trakehner or for a more guaranteed result I would recomment a pure bred stallion such as a TB or Arab. I know you didn't particularly want a 'blood' stallion, but if you go heavier (to ID for example) there is a real danger you might be breeding an elephant.

I have used Valesco this time round to add size and athleticism to a smaller mare, can't show you the results as the foal isn't cooked yet, he is well known for his good temperament, so that may be another direction for you to consider

 

[emlybob]

Thankfully there are plenty on here that will give you suggestions on stallions, for me your mare is not good enough to breed from. Judging by the photos obvious conformation problems, long backed, shallow feet, upright pasterns. She also looks to be built down hill, it is just not enough to have a good temperment. To add to it all you have no idea of how she is made up as you dont know her breeding. You are going to find a stallion who really stamps his stock, Legrand & Htobago seem to do that, though if I had a stallion I would be worried about using him on this mare.

The harsh reality is your circumstances could change where you are not able to keep the offspring & unless she has a fantastic competition record it will never bring back the cost of getting it on the ground. I am truely sorry, but I for one think this mare represents all that is wrong in UK breeding. I honestly do not mean to be harsh, & I feel awful, as you obviously love her very much, but think very hard on your choice of stallion. As I said you will get plenty of suggestions & there will be others who think your mare is suitable. As she has already bred a foal, who was the sire & do you have any photos to give an indication of the sort of foal she can produce?

Absolutely agree with the above post. Magic you couldn't have said it better. I suppose at least advice has been sought but i hope the mare's owner makes the right choice

 

[Holly831]

Another agreeing with Magic I am afraid.

At the end of the day it is your decision but I would advise against putting her in foal.

I know you say 'forever' home but none of us can guarantee that (sadly) and although you are doing this with the best of intentions they are some gorgeous youngsters out there with fabulous temperaments that you could:

1. Buy cheaper than the cost of getting your foal on the ground
2. Would guarantee you a live youngster
3. Safeguard your sweet mare from any chance of death through complications of foaling (I know she has had a foal before but just look at what some of us have lost so far this year - experienced mares and foals )
4. Know exactly what you are getting (and what colour)

Good Luck with whatever you decide x

 

[maestro]

For me I woould look at a couple such as May 1 frome Grooms bridge stud or, of at tangent a bit, Benwode Brokat. We had a super youngster born here by him proper family temperment and colour might produce something nice. As its hopefully a keeper I would be looking to produce a quality allrounder but you do need ,I think anyway, to know that if in the future you need to sell you have a nice person.

 

[Jamana]

I don't usually reply on these topics as I am not in the Sports Horse world and don't know any of the stallions. However I always notice on this type of thread similar responses, such as the one from Magic104. How often do we hear that there are plenty of nice well bred foals out there to buy? Who breeds these? (Perhaps people who push the idea of buying them...??)

Magic104 I see from earlier threads that you have bred a foal this year, and I am pleased that your mare got over the complications that arose, but if you are breeding one yourself then I am sorry who are you to tell someone else to go out and buy one instead? You seem to have a rather direct approach to any confo critique, which I applaud as I hate asking for someone's opinion and just being told what they think I want to hear, but to dismiss the OP with such strong phrases and then to sum it up as representing all that is wrong in British breeding is not helpful just patronising.

IMO one problem with British breeding is that too many 'performance' horses are bred. Who breeds just ordinary, everyday best friends? To me the mare above may have her faults, but they haven't stopped her from leading an active useful life and a great temperament is a huge attribute on it's own. For the stated objective of the OP, pleasure rides, beach hacking, a little RC competition, the mare looks a good candidate. If the OP is not looking to sell then whether *to* breed is not a factor it is *what* to breed that counts. And if in future the foal ever would need selling then a good tempered allround with less then perfect conformation will outsell and highly strung, well bred, performance type confo blueprint.

As far as stallions go, as I have said I don't know sports horse sires, but I would look for a stallion that is short-coupled with plenty behind him and well sprung pasterns. A neat, quality head but not too light of bone. Maybe QH, Anglo or even one of the bigger Connemara's?

 

[tristar]

from those photos, allowing for the fact the way she is standing with her front legs underneath herself etc, i like her, she looks a good sort to me, i would reserve full opinion though, not having seen her move, but i think if you like a horse enough to want to reproduce it, and you know it better than we do, you are the best judge.

bearing in mine what you to achieve, i would look at and study the different breeds and individual stallions to keep the character of this mare, maybe a large native cross thoroughbred stallion, or something like my own stallion who is andalusian cross anglo-arab, or a stallion half arab, so you get a bit more quality and scope, but not too much high power.

look at the arab horse society web site and other breed societies to dicover what there is out there, or sport horse gb, you could be surprised!

remember at the end of the day, that the youngster will need good training to become a useful 'citizen' and although you don't know mom's breeding his future will be assured if take his education seriously and produce a sane rideable and enjoyable person.

 

[magic104]

I don't usually reply on these topics as I am not in the Sports Horse world and don't know any of the stallions. However I always notice on this type of thread similar responses, such as the one from Magic104. How often do we hear that there are plenty of nice well bred foals out there to buy? Who breeds these? (Perhaps people who push the idea of buying them...??) - Do you think? Or perhaps we just know that you can buy a quality youngster for less then it costs to breed especially from a mare with no known breeding or competion record.

Magic104 I see from earlier threads that you have bred a foal this year, and I am pleased that your mare got over the complications that arose, but if you are breeding one yourself then I am sorry who are you to tell someone else to go out and buy one instead? - Because it makes economic sense to buy rather then buy, we all know that. Even more so when you have a mare of this type. I am glad you bothered to research my profile via other threads, always helpful. I would just like to point out though that in the case of this poster I have not suggested she buy one instead, so think you are confusing it with other replies to other posts.

You seem to have a rather direct approach to any confo critique, which I applaud as I hate asking for someone's opinion and just being told what they think I want to hear, but to dismiss the OP with such strong phrases and then to sum it up as representing all that is wrong in British breeding is not helpful just patronising. - But it is my opinion, based on probably not a very well angled couple of photos. The mare looks weak in the kneck with a head too heavy for it. She looks long & weak through her back with upright pasterns & shallow feet. She has a weak looking hindquarter, could be improved with more muscel tone. Would hazard a guess she is not in regular work, or at least not being made to work through her back as she lacks muscel tone full stop. Now you can talk about harsh, but it is still my opinion based on a couple of photos & without seeing the mare move. How many of those faults do you think a stallion is going to rectify? Most of us agree the mare is 60/70% of the ingrediant when making this foal. How do you justify using this mare?

IMO one problem with British breeding is that too many 'performance' horses are bred. Who breeds just ordinary, everyday best friends? - Please telll me you are joking, because these horses are being bred every year. Also where do you think the failed 'performance' horses end up? Most breeders put temperment at the top (or near to) of their list, so if they dont make the grade they have a useful job as someones best friend.

To me the mare above may have her faults, but they haven't stopped her from leading an active useful life and a great temperament is a huge attribute on it's own. For the stated objective of the OP, pleasure rides, beach hacking, a little RC competition, the mare looks a good candidate. If the OP is not looking to sell then whether *to* breed is not a factor it is *what* to breed that counts. And if in future the foal ever would need selling then a good tempered allround with less then perfect conformation will outsell and highly strung, well bred, performance type confo blueprint. - Yes you are probably correct, I doubt very much the mare has or is ridden on a daily basis, so any conformation weaknesses wont be pushed. But there are plenty of very nice large natives that fit this bill, along with the failed 'performance' horses.

As far as stallions go, as I have said I don't know sports horse sires, but I would look for a stallion that is short-coupled with plenty behind him and well sprung pasterns. A neat, quality head but not too light of bone. Maybe QH, Anglo or even one of the bigger Connemara's?

- On this point we can agree

 

[magic104]

MouseintheHouse - At least you put photos up of your mare, which so many posters of "which/what stallion" don't. My comments are my opinion, nothing more. If you want to inject some movement then look at Legrand who may also shorten up the offspring. Or an arab thereby producing a PBA which opens up showing classes. There are so many stallions to choose from, so it may come down to budget, what stud fee you want to pay etc. Take a good look at her offspring (if this is possible), what has she passed on? What would you want to improve on (though helps to know what the stallion was like). As you don't know her breeding then her previous foal will be your only indication as to what she might bring to the mix. None of us have any say in what we get, we can only put together the parents in the hope of improving on them. Don't forget the hidden costs either, as so many of us have found out when things don't go to plan.

I say this all the time, don't breed with the attitude "It's a keeper, its for life". Life has a habit of throwing curve balls at us. You need to breed something that has a market. I honestly wish you luck & hopefully you will find a stallion to compliment your mare.

 

[Fahrenheit]

Magic, however good intending your comments on this thread were, it COULD be seen as you are enjoying being harsh, even when you say your not, when you then go and post a thread on a facebook group about 'upsetting a mare owner' on hho.

 

[Bearskin]

I think she looks rather nice. Am looking for a bigger version for my partner!

I would use a TB on her but if you want to keep the substance, maybe have a look at Sandy's Light, a good solid type with a great attitude. (He is quite tall though so may not suit. Will look for a smaller version!)

 

[PorkChop]

I personally don't think you would go far wrong by crossing her with an Anglo Arab, they are usually short coupled, super movers and add quality.

 

[AdorableAlice]

Draught or ISH to get substance and a steady pleasure horse.

Archie.

 

[magic104]

Magic, however good intending your comments on this thread were, it COULD be seen as you are enjoying being harsh, even when you say your not, when you then go and post a thread on a facebook group about 'upsetting a mare owner' on hho.

Which is a closed page only open to those members, so thanks [content removed]. And for those that are not members of the group you may as well see what was posted!

"Oh well have just started the day off by upsetting a mare owner. I must admit I wish I had ignored the post, but some people really do expect an awful lot from the stallion. What I do know is she will get a lot of support on H&H from people telling her the mare is lovely & this or that stallion would be ideal."

And I was correct, she has had a lot of support, which is what I expected. I also expected people not to read the post & put in words not used ie I never told her NOT to breed neither did I say to purchase a foal as it was the cheaper option.

 

[AdorableAlice]

Which is a closed page only open to those members, so thanks [content removed]. And for those that are not members of the group you may as well see what was posted!

"Oh well have just started the day off by upsetting a mare owner. I must admit I wish I had ignored the post, but some people really do expect an awful lot from the stallion. What I do know is she will get a lot of support on H&H from people telling her the mare is lovely & this or that stallion would be ideal."

And I was correct, she has had a lot of support, which is what I expected. I also expected people not to read the post & put in words not used ie I never told her NOT to breed neither did I say to purchase a foal as it was the cheaper option.

Lively debate, that is what forums are for. We all have differing thoughts, views and ideas, good, bad or indifferent.

The OP quite clearly stated she has the finance/facilities and time to breed from her much loved and useful cob mare. She clearly stated she did not expect to breed the next Big Star or Minors Frolic. What is wrong with the OP trying to breed an all rounder for her own use. It is ridiculous to say the resultant foal would be unsaleable should anything happen to the OP. You only have to look at the wanted adverts, there are far more people trying to buy a comfortable rock steady neddy to potter about on and enjoy. Not everyone wants Star Ship Enterprise warmbloods.

Poor OP, fabulous user name MouseInTheHouse - love it, has been murdered on her first post on the forum. Have a go at me instead - who would breed off this mare then - choose a stallion for her.

 

[MouseintheHouse]

Hi again,

Thank you everyone for your replies, advice and suggestions - in response:

The quality of the photos are not the best, as tristar pointed out, she is stood with her front legs underneath her - her pasterns aren't quite so upright - that's photos for you! Also tristar good training and manners is very close to my heart!

As Jamana points out, I don't want a performance horse, I just want a straight forward, allrounder, everyday best friend - which is what my mare is like. It took me 3 years of looking on and off to find her, she is the 'paragon of virtue' that so many of the wanted ads on the likes of horsequest are after, but how often do they find them? I can hack her anywhere, without having ridden her for a month, and she won't put a foot wrong and we can go for a safe exhilarating gallop on the beach too. If it came down to it, I believe a family friend type horse is very saleable, even if their conformation is less than perfect.

I totally understand that things can and do go wrong, circumstances can and do change, that's why I have given it so much consideration.

I unfortunately don't have any photos of her first foal, but I was led to believe the stallion might have been ID or IDx.

Magic104 - I have taken onboard everything you have said (as I have with everone elses advice) because this is what I asked for. You have not upset me - I am way to broad shouldered for that.

Thank you AdorableAlice, I think your mare is lovely!

 

[magic104]

Hi again

I unfortunately don't have any photos of her first foal, but I was led to believe the stallion might have been ID or IDx.

Magic104 - I have taken onboard everything you have said (as I have with everone elses advice) because this is what I asked for. You have not upset me - I am way to broad shouldered for that.

Thank you AdorableAlice, I think your mare is lovely!

Good for you. There is no shortage of stallions, it is just a shame that this stupid forum does not allow them to come forward with suggestions along with examples of their stock. That is really what you need, stallion owners showing you what their boys are producing from mares like yours. Except some sad stupid person will push a button moaning that they are advertising, so perhaps you will get a few PM's instead.

 

[magic104]

Lively debate, that is what forums are for. We all have differing thoughts, views and ideas, good, bad or indifferent.

The OP quite clearly stated she has the finance/facilities and time to breed from her much loved and useful cob mare. She clearly stated she did not expect to breed the next Big Star or Minors Frolic. What is wrong with the OP trying to breed an all rounder for her own use. It is ridiculous to say the resultant foal would be unsaleable should anything happen to the OP. You only have to look at the wanted adverts, there are far more people trying to buy a comfortable rock steady neddy to potter about on and enjoy. Not everyone wants Star Ship Enterprise warmbloods.

Poor OP, fabulous user name MouseInTheHouse - love it, has been murdered on her first post on the forum. Have a go at me instead - who would breed off this mare then - choose a stallion for her.

Would it not be boring if we all thought the same? I would hardly think she was murdered on her first post, a bit extream. There is nothing wrong with the OP trying to breed an all rounder & I certainly never told her not to for god knows how many times tonight I said I would not breed, not that she should not, I as in me. Also who is to say that the result would be a comfortable rock steady needy that you could potter about on & enjoy? First of all mum may not pass on her temperment, secondly the offspring may not get the education (not aimed at you poster, just in case you had to sell) needed.

 

[EstherYoung]

I think you do need to be very critical yourself before you make the decision. There are an awful lot of horses out there that need homes and do you really want to bring another into the world? Ethically? Morally? We bought Wolf as a weanling and Felix as a yearling and we haven't missed out one bit on the 'story' of their conceptions and birth as they were both bred by people we knew well. I knew them both since they were a twinkle in their respective mother's eyes and I even have Wolfie's scan pictures. But, doing it that way took out the risk as when we made the decision to buy we knew what we were getting.

If you are going to do it:
- Research, research, research. Try and find out as much as you can about your mare's background. How is she bred? Track down her last foal. Look at that foal critically.
- Be brutally honest with yourself. What faults does your mare have? If you've found the last foal, do those faults show in that horse too?
- Try and stick to a pure breed. If the mare is a bit of a mixture you don't want to add more mixture to the pot as it increases your chances of getting something completely random. Pick a stallion that is very strong in the areas your mare is weak. A sensible, workmanlike chestnut arab wouldn't be a terrible idea - it would give you your all rounder with the benefit of being eligible for PBA classes and would give you a good chance of getting a pally like mum.
- Meet the stallion. Don't just choose from pics on t'interweb. Temperament is key. You're looking for a well put together stallion who is as kind and easy as mum is.
- Don't expect it to be an easy ride. Expect vets bills. Getting them to four years old without too many suicide attempts is a job in itself.
- You could lose mum. I say this again. You could lose mum. I took my stud exams when I was younger and I've worked on some very large studs and seen a lot of foalings, some of which went horribly wrong. You could lose mum in the most horrendous way possible. Baby may get stuck and have to be cut out in pieces with cheesewire. Could you cope with that? Foals are amazing and beautiful and an incredible feat of nature but nature is also brutal and heartbreaking. You need to weigh up the risks and be honest with yourself.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

ps Also think whether you have the facilities/knowledge for a youngster. I was very lucky to find some local youngstock livery where ours can have the upbringing I have always believed a young horse should have, but if I hadn't found that then I wouldn't have bought youngsters. A single boisterous youngster in a field with just grumpy older shod horses is a recipe for disaster.

 

[classic_astra]

another post that ends up with people answering an imaginary question! the OP didnt ask IF she should breed her mare.

i think she is a lovely useful type of mare, very similar to my own, i too wanted to breed one from her, to be my next allrounder, focusing on more jumping than anything. bred her to a dutch warmblood, not because they were in fashion but because he ticked all of my boxes. my dream was a coloured filly, and im very lucky that i got one! she is now 2, and i couldnt go out and buy anything that was more suited to me at the moment! (obviously i know shes 2 and could be a madam under saddle ) but anyway, if it were me, id look into tb x native types, or maybe tb x id that stamp their stock and improve on your mares conformation. even an old fashion warmblood (chunkier build) would work well on her i think.

plenty of nice useful stallion with very nice offspring around, so im afraid you'll have a job to narrow them down to particular type you want to see! lol i dont envy you, took me 2 years to choose mine!

good luck

 

[Alba]

I am sorry people have been so rude to you and about your horse, have jumped to lots of conclusiions without questioning you about her. Also the suggestions of stallions when you have clearly stated what you didn't want and they have just ignored you.

As for her not passing on her temperment etc, well thats the risk we all take WITH everything we breed and it didn't stop the people replying so why should it you.

I am not in the market of this type of stallion so I can not help you but I just wanted to say that I hope the rude people haven't put you off posting again.

Good luck, and I hope you have a much fun and love for her offspring as you obviously do her.

 

[Maesfen]

Draught or ISH to get substance and a steady pleasure horse.

Archie.

Me too, I wouldn't want to refine her myself, she comes into the hen's teeth league of what most amateurs want but can't find.

I would love a corking mare like that but I would probably enjoy her far too much to allow her time out for a family! If I did, it would be to either a TB, an Anglo or an ID if I wanted to keep her bone.

Not sure where in the country you are OP but Embla Stud near Stafford have some cracking all purpose (ID) stallions that are producing some very nice stock plus a very nice graded coloured in Bazaars Texas (the two in my avatar are by him; both have perfect temperaments and ability)

Have a look on the IDHS site stallion list, there are some beauties on there (including part-breds) which might whet your appetite!

 

[Carefreegirl]

For what it's worth I'm breeding from my mare this year, she's nothing special (apart from to me) she's the horse in my sig, she's an ex-racer who has got me to Hickstead in the ROR finals, we qualified for trailblazers finals last and this year. We'll set the world alight but we muddle along nicely.
When I mentioned to YO about breeding (I keep her at a stud) she said get as many opinions as I could so apart from all my soppy mates who went 'awww' I asked my farrier - he said no. One instructor (FBHS) said yep. Other instructor said yep and the vet who I dreaded asking said "perfect".
This foal is keepsies, and yes we never know what's round the corner but if we worried about the what ifs we'd never have horses in the first place.
On first reading magics reply I cringed but a written message is very black and White unlike the spoken word with the tones of your voice.
Like the OP I could go out tomorrow and buy another horse off the track but been there, done that.
I hope with the list of bloody experienced people in my phone and on this forum and also having kept my horse at a stud, seeing the highs and lows of breeding, it will all be well and this time next year I'll be boring the tits off you all with pics of my new foaly.

 

[Carefreegirl]

That should say 'NEVER set the world alight'
On phone so can't edit

 

[The_snoopster]

If you are really serious about breeding from your mare get someone in to take a long look at her and point out her faults then go look for a stallion who may improve on them, this is what I do when I bred from my "happy hacker". I then went on a internet trawl of local stud yard and went to have a look in person at them, I like you wanted to just have a everyday type of horse and if I am honest a bit of my mare to love when she retired or pts as she was getting older.
I found when I did look around for a everyday horse I was simply surrounded by coloured cob (nothing wrong in that as my mare is one), but I did want something a bit more sportier I found a lovely appiano WBx who complimented my mare wonderfully.
Be warned it does work out more expensive than you think it not just the stud fee you have to be prepared for lots of other bills on top like scanning, vets fees etc. Plus you do lose out on riding your mare for what seems forever, if she is your only horse.
I got exactly what I wanted, she foaled at home I got a filly and I got spots, it was truly a most perfect outcome. The resulting filly as all of her dams temprement, easy to do in everyway so far. Good luck with what ever you choose to do.

 

[magic104]

For what it's worth I'm breeding from my mare this year, she's nothing special (apart from to me) she's the horse in my sig, she's an ex-racer who has got me to Hickstead in the ROR finals, we qualified for trailblazers finals last and this year. We'll set the world alight but we muddle along nicely.
When I mentioned to YO about breeding (I keep her at a stud) she said get as many opinions as I could so apart from all my soppy mates who went 'awww' I asked my farrier - he said no. One instructor (FBHS) said yep. Other instructor said yep and the vet who I dreaded asking said "perfect".
This foal is keepsies, and yes we never know what's round the corner but if we worried about the what ifs we'd never have horses in the first place.
On first reading magics reply I cringed but a written message is very black and White unlike the spoken word with the tones of your voice.
Like the OP I could go out tomorrow and buy another horse off the track but been there, done that.
I hope with the list of bloody experienced people in my phone and on this forum and also having kept my horse at a stud, seeing the highs and lows of breeding, it will all be well and this time next year I'll be boring the tits off you all with pics of my new foaly.

You have a couple of advantages over the posters mare. 1) You have a TB, so a full pedigree & a way of tracing her gene pool. 2) She has been raced even if only once she would have been in training beforehand & come out sound.

With all due respect the mare here is of unknow quantity & is not showing a physic of a horse in regular work. The photo's are showing a number of weaknesses which is a lot for a stallion to counter-balance. For me it is too big a gamble, but that is not to say she wont give her owner what she hopes for so long as she is careful with her choice of stallion.

For yourself you have less obstacles to overcome, but like all of us have to choose a stallion that compliments your mares weaknesses. Good luck to both of you, despite what posters keep harping on about, I have not told this poster not to breed or even indicated to her not to. I gave my opinion on her mare (Any constructive critisism (sp?) on her confirmation welcome!), & MY view. If everytime someone is blunt & to the point, they get accused of being like KR then we will be lumbered with pink fluffy kiss ur Ass replies.

It takes too long sometimes to word things in a way that cant be taken as rude. Honesty sometimes comes with a price!

 

[Alba]

Nobody accused you (Magic) of being like KR, but if you want to read it that way then fine, I really dont care. But you can read the post again and see that it actually says 'If it was KR who had type what you did Magic then you would all be screaming how dare he dictate'.... That doesn't even IMPLY you are like KR (whom I dont actually know so cant compare anyone to him) - it is purely pointing out the double standards and what some people are allowed to get away with when others would be hung for.
If you really want to know what upset so many people, it was that you went to another site to brag and get pats on the back for what you had put here. So that, on top of the original extremely rude comment is not very endearing to most people. Now you will probably say, 'I wasn't bragging or attempting to get pats on the back', which maybe true, but thats how it came across whether you like it or not.

 

[Fahrenheit]

Which is a closed page only open to those members, so thanks [content removed]. And for those that are not members of the group you may as well see what was posted!

A page with nearly 200 members, most of which are also members of this forum, who when reading your thread on there then started coming on here to see the thread concerned and what you had written... why not just put your opinion across and leave it as that, rather than going else where to draw more attention to your scathing comments of another persons horse, which they love dearly. You can give critism and contructive critism without being so harsh!!

Oh and as for using my personal information, I could lower myself to your standard but I have more grace.

If you really want to know what upset so many people, it was that you went to another site to brag and get pats on the back for what you had put here. So that, on top of the original extremely rude comment is not very endearing to most people. Now you will probably say, 'I wasn't bragging or attempting to get pats on the back', which maybe true, but thats how it came across whether you like it or not.

Thats how it came across to me too!

 

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A page with nearly 200 members, most of which are also members of this forum, who when reading your thread on there then started coming on here to see the thread concerned and what you had written... why not just put your opinion across and leave it as that, rather than going else where to draw more attention to your scathing comments of another persons horse, which they love dearly. You can give critism and contructive critism without being so harsh!!

Oh and as for using my personal information, I could lower myself to your standard but I have more grace.



Thats how it came across to me too!

No you chose to read it as a brag. You dont know me well enough to make that assumption, so how bloody dare you. Personal information well you yourself have just stated "A page with nearly 200 members, most of which are also members of this forum" all of who when the page was set up put both their names & H&H user name to identify themselves. And with due respect most of the people on that page know who you are so not really a big secret now is it.

Sometimes you people really do make my blood boil you just have to cause an argument for no reason. My thoughts on the mare were invited as were everyone elses. Yes she is a nice mare with a lovely temperment, but a mare worthy of passing on her genes? Really!!

Someone has said these horses are like hens teeth, no they are not. There are 100's of safe weight carrying horses/ponies out there if you care to look. There are 100's of ill thought of badly bought on horses/ponies. Bred by people who have no idea how to teach their youngster manners, how to behave around humans. Who have such poor conformation issues they become bad tempered because they are uncomfortable.

People continue to give stallion suggestions on nothing more then a discription, how the hell does that work. So yes my feelings on improving UK breeding is just that, while there is little thought of what we are doing then we wont make any headway. If we breed just because we like our pet, then no we wont improve on the stock we have. You have to have a decent base, 1 or 2 things you can get away with but some of you seem to want to breed no matter what.

It seems to me that you twist things when it suits, you cause arguments that are not warrented. I am not known for my beating about the bush, pink fluffy comments. There are plenty of occassions I have just sat on my hands because I know that I cant put across what I mean without someone taking offence that is not there to take. Well I hope this post is clear & this one you can take offence at with my blessing.

If you really want to improve UK breeding stop, think, stop & think again before breeding from your pet mare. When you still want to breed then take off the rose tinted glasses & take a good hard look. If you choose to come on here then put up decent photos showing side on as well as front & hind shots. NO ONE & I MEAN NO ONE can make a judgement call regarding suitable stallions without seeing the mare or at least decent photos. Even then we have no idea how she moves or uses herself. Lack of a pedigree is going to cause issues & you are naive to think otherwise. It also seems that only a few people are permitted to point out the pit-falls otherwise you are seen as negative. Well sorry but there are things that we forget about, the issues that can occur so there is nothing wrong in reminding potentional breeders especially those new to it.

Now hopefully this is the end & all you knowedgable people can give the poster some decent suggestions for her mare instead of harping on at me over things you think I am saying or thinking. Have a nice day!!