Another Stallion Suggestions - With pics

magic104- To be honest it is fair that MouseintheHouse has quite clearly asked for your oppinion and has stated that she was not offended by your opinion. I personally think that it was harsh, you may not think that she should breed from her, but she has clearly stated that she would like to have her foal for pleasure rides etc, therefore the reasons you have stated are not helpful to MouseintheHouse. She also put that she would like stallion choices. She is not 'all that is wrong with british breeding' and quite frankly i find that very rude. In the early days were horses used for showing, dressage etc? No they were not, so horse riding is not just about showing/competing and 1st place for some.

MouseintheHouse- As i have a horse for hacking, beach riding etc, i personally like your mare, and I think there should be more of them. :)
 
PinkWheelBarrow said:
magic104- To be honest it is fair that MouseintheHouse has quite clearly asked for your oppinion and has stated that she was not offended by your opinion. I personally think that it was harsh, you may not think that she should breed from her, but she has clearly stated that she would like to have her foal for pleasure rides etc, therefore the reasons you have stated are not helpful to MouseintheHouse. She also put that she would like stallion choices. She is not 'all that is wrong with british breeding' and quite frankly i find that very rude. In the early days were horses used for showing, dressage etc? No they were not, so horse riding is not just about showing/competing and 1st place for some.

MouseintheHouse- As i have a horse for hacking, beach riding etc, i personally like your mare, and I think there should be more of them. :)
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It is still no excuse not to use decent foundation stock regardless of its job. The other issue here is that people have managed to turn this right round & avoid actually giving mounintheHouse suggestions of stallions to use that will improve on her mare to give her the foal she wants. At least she had the sense to put up a photo, so regardless of MY opinion others can see & advise her. This is the last post I make on this. I suggest you are best placed putting your efforts into Stallion suggestions & actually justify why you are suggesting said stallion. Come on all you experts because this time you actually have a photo, well done MouseintheHouse.

If she makes the right choice she stands a good chance of getting what she wants. So lets stop wasting her time & get on with it!!
 
magic104 said:
No you chose to read it as a brag. You dont know me well enough to make that assumption, so how bloody dare you. Personal information well you yourself have just stated "A page with nearly 200 members, most of which are also members of this forum" all of who when the page was set up put both their names & H&H user name to identify themselves. And with due respect most of the people on that page know who you are so not really a big secret now is it.
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If you read my original post properly on here it said 'COULD' and its true it COULD look like you were enjoying being harsh and it not just me that thought that.

Has for personal information, I have no problem with anyone on the facebook group knowing who I am, otherwise I wouldn't have joined the group, however you chose to publish my personal info onto this forum, not just a quote and remember your the one that chose to start a thread on the facebook group to draw attention to this thread and what you had written on here.
 
Here is a stallion suggestion:
Psynergy Mahalias Marcus

Owner: Bill Nunn
Address: Pinewood Lodge, Widmerpool, Nottingham
Telephone: 07971 784943

Chestnut Arab Stallion 15.1hh. AI and natural.

A chestnut arab would hopefully refine the head and limbs slightly but not add too much height and give more chance of getting another palomino. Hopefully he isnt too far from the OP. Just an idea!
 
JoBird said:
Here is a stallion suggestion:
Psynergy Mahalias Marcus

Owner: Bill Nunn
Address: Pinewood Lodge, Widmerpool, Nottingham
Telephone: 07971 784943

Chestnut Arab Stallion 15.1hh. AI and natural.

A chestnut arab would hopefully refine the head and limbs slightly but not add too much height and give more chance of getting another palomino. Hopefully he isnt too far from the OP. Just an idea!
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I like him, & I agree with you he would suit this mare
 
I'm not getting into any other discussion on here other than the original post :)

I can't see any photos so just my suggestion as in type of stallon to use.

If you want to breed a bigger version of your mare..same build..same temperament just bigger etc. then I suggest a nice Irish Draught or ISH (that isn't warmblood breeding) but has TBxIDxConnemara mix.

I don't know why people are suggesting Arabs, TB's or Warmbloods ? as you clearly state you want a sensible pleasure horse to ride, have fun on and keep, not a potential sporthorse.

Good Luck :)
 
Truly - bit of a sweeping statement re TB's, Arabs and WB's. I'm personally not into Arabs or WB's and until I got my mare that included TB's. My mare is the most chilled horse I've owned as is the Stallion I'm putting her to :)
 
Carefreegirl..It wasn't meant to be derogatory towards TB's Arabs and Warmbloods :)

Nearly all mine are TB and two are Warmblood crosses..don't have any Arabs tho' :)

Mine are all laidback sensible horses BUT I know for a fact that the liveries I have that own cobs on my yard would not be suitable to riding my horses....just not a suitable combination :)

I have a livery yard with all sorts on and cobs 90% of the time are more laid back and suit an ammy rider better.

I just believe if the OP likes her cob the way she is then don't change the recipe :)
 
carefreegirl said:
Truly - bit of a sweeping statement re TB's, Arabs and WB's. I'm personally not into Arabs or WB's and until I got my mare that included TB's. My mare is the most chilled horse I've owned as is the Stallion I'm putting her to :)
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no but the op specifically stated that she wanted to keep the mare's substance and an arab is most certainly not going to do that. I have been a little :confused: by those suggestions too.
 
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So now i'm feeling guilty!!!! Why am I breding from a mare with no history???? I'll tell you why ..... she's not a star but she wants to be (I think that's very important) you can have all the breeding in the world but if they don't enjoy it then forget it ..... My 'rescue' horse has competed to BE 100 easily and if I'd found her earlier then .....
I'm on a yard with 80 other horses some were due to compete at Chatsworth & some only hack down the road - but all equally loved:) So kick my ass but have to say 'IF' I ever needed a home for my baby then I know it wouldn't be a problem!!!!
 
TART said:
So now i'm feeling guilty!!!! Why am I breding from a mare with no history???? I'll tell you why ..... she's not a star but she wants to be (I think that's very important) you can have all the breeding in the world but if they don't enjoy it then forget it ..... My 'rescue' horse has competed to BE 100 easily and if I'd found her earlier then .....
I'm on a yard with 80 other horses some were due to compete at Chatsworth & some only hack down the road - but all equally loved:) So kick my ass but have to say 'IF' I ever needed a home for my baby then I know it wouldn't be a problem!!!!
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Her lack of breeding combined with her conformation, lets not get hung up on one bit, it is the whole picture we are looking at.

Using an Arab as an aged old improver is actually not a bad choice. Arabs have good dense bone & at least used to be able to carry a full grown man with no problems. They can improve movement which makes for a more comfortable ride when hacking out, including beach rides. If you fancy a spot of showing either as a youngster or adult then it opens up the PBA classes. If the poster requires a weight carrier then an ID or ISH would be more suitable then a traditional cob. Using an Arab does not = trying to breed a sporthorse, same as breeding TB's does not = racing, lets not pigeon hole.
 
ester said:
no but using an arab does not = breeding a horse of substance/bone either!
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I am looking to breed an allround pleasure horse, low level competing (RC) but mainly for long hacks, charity rides, trips to the beach etc. So the stallion needs to have an amazing laid back temperement also - nothing sharp or fizzy. Ideally offspring would mature not more than 16.2h.

I don't really want to add any 'blood' and would like to keep her substance! Bottom of the list - I'm not too keen on feathers or greys either

You want a balanced horse, & you have no idea what the mare will bring to the mix. The Arab was just a sugestion as they are pure, so less mix of genes & the PBA can be a very versertile horse. Janet George stands ID's she would have a better idea what the cross could add. TBH that is what is needed here, more input from stallion owners who have seen & covered mares of this type. They are the people who know their stallions & what they can contribute.
 
Truly said:
I just believe if the OP likes her cob the way she is then don't change the recipe :)
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That's the thing though - we don't know what the recipe is. She's an unregistered cross-breed with an unknown history.

Adding arab is a very very old fashioned thing to do and is just one suggestion. You'd need to find an old fashioned stamp of arab to do it with for this mare - maybe one of the 'Old English'/crabbet stamp if you wanted smaller or possibly a Bahraini if you wanted bigger with bone (they are seriously substantial horses and there's an example of a cross with a heavier mare part way down this page: http://www.pearlislandarabians.co.uk/Stallions_at_stud/Dilmun/Krayaan_Dilmun.html ). You wouldn't get a firey nut job or a sports horse from the cross, you'd get an all round riding horse.

Adding Irish is another very old fashioned 'classic' approach and wouldn't necessarily be a terrible idea either. If you were to breed that is....
 
Interesting thread. I haven't read all the posts and can't see the photos, but agree that allrounders with good temperaments of between 15hh to 16hh are what most people want. One survey, that I think was done by the BHS a few years ago, found that about 80% of horseowners in the UK only hack. If you want an example of poor conformation, look at the front legs of Woodlander Farouche. Her owner admits that they aren't good, but she will be bred from, as she has other good attributes. The perfect horse doesn't exist!
For what you want, I wouldn't choose an Arab or a WB, but as I said, I can't see the photos, so can't really make any suggestions.
 
templewood said:
If you want an example of poor conformation, look at the front legs of Woodlander Farouche. Her owner admits that they aren't good, but she will be bred from, as she has other good attributes. The perfect horse doesn't exist!.
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I had the pleasure of 'meeting' the late TB racing stallion Celtic Swing at the Irish National Stud. His handler there was saying he was throwing the most hideous duck ugly off spring. But many of these later became group one winners. They had poor conformation but could run like cheetahs - which is exactly what their owners were looking for and needed.

Now don't yell but ...

... is there not an arguement which says we should be breeding according to NEED, not a type. By breeding to fulfill a need would mean there would be few unwanted horses kicking around.

If Templewood's stats are right and 80% of horse owners only hack and presumably 20% for competition would people be more successful catering to the 80%

I have to admit I don't understand the arguement about having to sell a horse on and that having a known stallion would be better for this. My mare was bred by Irish travellers (although as it happens I know her sire and dam called Thunder and Suzie :)) I could sell her 50 times over as she's a cracking family pony. But over the last two years I've seen wee 'show' ponies and horses all with good pedigree's that aren't shifting at all - or if they are for a lot less money than probably deserved.

Just saying :)
 
templewood said:
Interesting thread. I haven't read all the posts and can't see the photos, but agree that allrounders with good temperaments of between 15hh to 16hh are what most people want. One survey, that I think was done by the BHS a few years ago, found that about 80% of horseowners in the UK only hack. If you want an example of poor conformation, look at the front legs of Woodlander Farouche. Her owner admits that they aren't good, but she will be bred from, as she has other good attributes. The perfect horse doesn't exist!
For what you want, I wouldn't choose an Arab or a WB, but as I said, I can't see the photos, so can't really make any suggestions.
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"Her owner admits that they aren't good, but she will be bred from, as she has other good attributes"

Compared to no known breeding, more then 2 conformation faults & no indication it does enough work to test its soundness. Yes I can see why she should have another foal.
 
Minxie said:
I had the pleasure of 'meeting' the late TB racing stallion Celtic Swing at the Irish National Stud. His handler there was saying he was throwing the most hideous duck ugly off spring. But many of these later became group one winners. They had poor conformation but could run like cheetahs - which is exactly what their owners were looking for and needed.

Now don't yell but ...

... is there not an arguement which says we should be breeding according to NEED, not a type. By breeding to fulfill a need would mean there would be few unwanted horses kicking around.

If Templewood's stats are right and 80% of horse owners only hack and presumably 20% for competition would people be more successful catering to the 80%

I have to admit I don't understand the arguement about having to sell a horse on and that having a known stallion would be better for this. My mare was bred by Irish travellers (although as it happens I know her sire and dam called Thunder and Suzie :)) I could sell her 50 times over as she's a cracking family pony. But over the last two years I've seen wee 'show' ponies and horses all with good pedigree's that aren't shifting at all - or if they are for a lot less money than probably deserved.

Just saying :)
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No one is yelling, but there are plenty of breeders already catering for the 80% along with the many 1 mare owners breeding from their mare. It surely does not mean that we use stock that have more the 2 or 3 conformation faults on top of no known breeding on top of no performance record, (including everyday hacking) to prove it can stay sound? I am at a loss to understand how that is making improvements on UK breeding. If such a great job is being done why are the charities at bursting point? Why are horses fetching peanuts if there is such a shortage of weight carrying horses with good temperments? I am sure some people are getting the money for them, but there are an awful lot more that are struggling to get a good price.

I suspect this was nothing but a sh&tstirring post anyway so one of the missing photos is here
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Doesn't matter how good a stallion you have, if a mare has conformational faults, there is no guarantee you will produce a "correct" youngster .

Personally I wouldn't put the above mare into foal .....Unless you are 100% sure you are going to be offering a life time home, There is far too many unwanted youngsters and foals out there to last a life time .


Yes I know the op asked what stallion would best compliment her mare .....No one knows ....A stallion cannot correct a mares conformational fault ....its just luck of the draw when it comes to breeding and thats even with a graded mare .
 
magic104 said:
I do not believe mouseinthehouse had any intention. I think this thread was started by a coward who wanted to start an argument, because this forum is incapable of debating. I had already noticed that they were in & out monitoring this thread yet only made 2 posts. I kinda guessed something was off, but never mind I have learnt something these past couple of days & I am now going to be a bit more careful about who I accept as a friend.

So well done mouseinahouse, lets hope you dont stumble into someone elses trap!!
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I really don't think Mouseinthe house is a troll. I think she has been quite mature to stay out of this awful thread that has slated her horse and her decision to breed from her. She seems to have removed the pictures of her mare and I can't say I blame her, I would have done the same. I really think you should remove the photo of her horse from your post Magic, she would have every right to be furious that you have posted it.
 
Colleen_Miss_Tom said:
Why did the OP remove the photo in the first place ?
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TBH, if I had been slated so badly (or rather my horse) I would have removed it too. There are ways and means to explain nicely, no need for feelings to have been murdered in the way they were. I don't blame anyone for removing pics if they have been ridiculed so thoroughly especially as half the thread now revolves around those said comments. It's especially very unfair (and bad form) for a bad copy of one of those pics to have been posted by someone else to prove a point.
Whether OP is/was a troll or not is neither here nor there but it was not very nice seeing her mare pulled apart with such venom; nobody deserves that.
 
If the OP was a troll, I think it does make a difference .

Nothing wrong with people posting their opinion, The post made by magic at the start of this thread is what seemed to have sparked off "a debate" .....I actually agree with what she said to be honest . I didn't see it as rude ....just someone's opinion .

Not everyone is going to agree .... :)
 
Maesfen said:
TBH, if I had been slated so badly (or rather my horse) I would have removed it too. There are ways and means to explain nicely, no need for feelings to have been murdered in the way they were. I don't blame anyone for removing pics if they have been ridiculed so thoroughly especially as half the thread now revolves around those said comments. It's especially very unfair (and bad form) for a bad copy of one of those pics to have been posted by someone else to prove a point.
Whether OP is/was a troll or not is neither here nor there but it was not very nice seeing her mare pulled apart with such venom; nobody deserves that.
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Pulled apart with such venom????? Where exactly??
Thankfully there are plenty on here that will give you suggestions on stallions, for me your mare is not good enough to breed from. Judging by the photos obvious conformation problems, long backed, shallow feet, upright pasterns. She also looks to be built down hill, it is just not enough to have a good temperment. To add to it all you have no idea of how she is made up as you dont know her breeding. You are going to find a stallion who really stamps his stock, Legrand & Htobago seem to do that, though if I had a stallion I would be worried about using him on this mare.

The harsh reality is your circumstances could change where you are not able to keep the offspring & unless she has a fantastic competition record it will never bring back the cost of getting it on the ground. I am truely sorry, but I for one think this mare represents all that is wrong in UK breeding. I honestly do not mean to be harsh, & I feel awful, as you obviously love her very much, but think very hard on your choice of stallion. As I said you will get plenty of suggestions & there will be others who think your mare is suitable. As she has already bred a foal, who was the sire & do you have any photos to give an indication of the sort of foal she can produce?

MouseintheHouse - At least you put photos up of your mare, which so many posters of "which/what stallion" don't. My comments are my opinion, nothing more. If you want to inject some movement then look at Legrand who may also shorten up the offspring. Or an arab thereby producing a PBA which opens up showing classes. There are so many stallions to choose from, so it may come down to budget, what stud fee you want to pay etc. Take a good look at her offspring (if this is possible), what has she passed on? What would you want to improve on (though helps to know what the stallion was like). As you don't know her breeding then her previous foal will be your only indication as to what she might bring to the mix. None of us have any say in what we get, we can only put together the parents in the hope of improving on them. Don't forget the hidden costs either, as so many of us have found out when things don't go to plan.

I say this all the time, don't breed with the attitude "It's a keeper, its for life". Life has a habit of throwing curve balls at us. You need to breed something that has a market. I honestly wish you luck & hopefully you will find a stallion to compliment your mare.

"Oh well have just started the day off by upsetting a mare owner. I must admit I wish I had ignored the post, but some people really do expect an awful lot from the stallion. What I do know is she will get a lot of support on H&H from people telling her the mare is lovely & this or that stallion would be ideal."

Magic104 - I have taken onboard everything you have said (as I have with everone elses advice) because this is what I asked for. You have not upset me - I am way to broad shouldered for that.
Good for you. There is no shortage of stallions, it is just a shame that this stupid forum does not allow them to come forward with suggestions along with examples of their stock. That is really what you need, stallion owners showing you what their boys are producing from mares like yours. Except some sad stupid person will push a button moaning that they are advertising, so perhaps you will get a few PM's instead.

Would it not be boring if we all thought the same? I would hardly think she was murdered on her first post, a bit extream. There is nothing wrong with the OP trying to breed an all rounder & I certainly never told her not to for god knows how many times tonight I said I would not breed, not that she should not, I as in me. Also who is to say that the result would be a comfortable rock steady needy that you could potter about on & enjoy? First of all mum may not pass on her temperment, secondly the offspring may not get the education (not aimed at you poster, just in case you had to sell) needed
You have a couple of advantages over the posters mare. 1) You have a TB, so a full pedigree & a way of tracing her gene pool. 2) She has been raced even if only once she would have been in training beforehand & come out sound.

With all due respect the mare here is of unknow quantity & is not showing a physic of a horse in regular work. The photo's are showing a number of weaknesses which is a lot for a stallion to counter-balance. For me it is too big a gamble, but that is not to say she wont give her owner what she hopes for so long as she is careful with her choice of stallion.

For yourself you have less obstacles to overcome, but like all of us have to choose a stallion that compliments your mares weaknesses. Good luck to both of you, despite what posters keep harping on about, I have not told this poster not to breed or even indicated to her not to. I gave my opinion on her mare (Any constructive critisism (sp?) on her confirmation welcome!), & MY view. If everytime someone is blunt & to the point, they get accused of being like KR then we will be lumbered with pink fluffy kiss ur Ass replies.

It takes too long sometimes to word things in a way that cant be taken as rude. Honesty sometimes comes with a price!
No you chose to read it as a brag. You dont know me well enough to make that assumption, so how bloody dare you. Personal information well you yourself have just stated "A page with nearly 200 members, most of which are also members of this forum" all of who when the page was set up put both their names & H&H user name to identify themselves. And with due respect most of the people on that page know who you are so not really a big secret now is it.

Sometimes you people really do make my blood boil you just have to cause an argument for no reason. My thoughts on the mare were invited as were everyone elses. Yes she is a nice mare with a lovely temperment, but a mare worthy of passing on her genes? Really!!

Someone has said these horses are like hens teeth, no they are not. There are 100's of safe weight carrying horses/ponies out there if you care to look. There are 100's of ill thought of badly bought on horses/ponies. Bred by people who have no idea how to teach their youngster manners, how to behave around humans. Who have such poor conformation issues they become bad tempered because they are uncomfortable.

People continue to give stallion suggestions on nothing more then a discription, how the hell does that work. So yes my feelings on improving UK breeding is just that, while there is little thought of what we are doing then we wont make any headway. If we breed just because we like our pet, then no we wont improve on the stock we have. You have to have a decent base, 1 or 2 things you can get away with but some of you seem to want to breed no matter what.

It seems to me that you twist things when it suits, you cause arguments that are not warrented. I am not known for my beating about the bush, pink fluffy comments. There are plenty of occassions I have just sat on my hands because I know that I cant put across what I mean without someone taking offence that is not there to take. Well I hope this post is clear & this one you can take offence at with my blessing.

If you really want to improve UK breeding stop, think, stop & think again before breeding from your pet mare. When you still want to breed then take off the rose tinted glasses & take a good hard look. If you choose to come on here then put up decent photos showing side on as well as front & hind shots. NO ONE & I MEAN NO ONE can make a judgement call regarding suitable stallions without seeing the mare or at least decent photos. Even then we have no idea how she moves or uses herself. Lack of a pedigree is going to cause issues & you are naive to think otherwise. It also seems that only a few people are permitted to point out the pit-falls otherwise you are seen as negative. Well sorry but there are things that we forget about, the issues that can occur so there is nothing wrong in reminding potentional breeders especially those new to it.

Now hopefully this is the end & all you knowedgable people can give the poster some decent suggestions for her mare instead of harping on at me over things you think I am saying or thinking. Have a nice day!!
It is still no excuse not to use decent foundation stock regardless of its job. The other issue here is that people have managed to turn this right round & avoid actually giving mounintheHouse suggestions of stallions to use that will improve on her mare to give her the foal she wants. At least she had the sense to put up a photo, so regardless of MY opinion others can see & advise her. This is the last post I make on this. I suggest you are best placed putting your efforts into Stallion suggestions & actually justify why you are suggesting said stallion. Come on all you experts because this time you actually have a photo, well done MouseintheHouse.
 
If she makes the right choice she stands a good chance of getting what she wants. So lets stop wasting her time & get on with it!!
I like him, & I agree with you he would suit this mare

Her lack of breeding combined with her conformation, lets not get hung up on one bit, it is the whole picture we are looking at.

Using an Arab as an aged old improver is actually not a bad choice. Arabs have good dense bone & at least used to be able to carry a full grown man with no problems. They can improve movement which makes for a more comfortable ride when hacking out, including beach rides. If you fancy a spot of showing either as a youngster or adult then it opens up the PBA classes. If the poster requires a weight carrier then an ID or ISH would be more suitable then a traditional cob. Using an Arab does not = trying to breed a sporthorse, same as breeding TB's does not = racing, lets not pigeon hole.

You want a balanced horse, & you have no idea what the mare will bring to the mix. The Arab was just a sugestion as they are pure, so less mix of genes & the PBA can be a very versertile horse. Janet George stands ID's she would have a better idea what the cross could add. TBH that is what is needed here, more input from stallion owners who have seen & covered mares of this type. They are the people who know their stallions & what they can contribute
 
Colleen_Miss_Tom said:
Why did the OP remove the photo in the first place ?
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Maesfen said:
TBH, if I had been slated so badly (or rather my horse) I would have removed it too.
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Accepting that I'm rather late into this daft debate, and assuming that that's what it is, I take it that the little mare pic, posted by magic, is the mare in question, yes?

It's an awful pic, of what is probably a nice little horse. The pic is so awful, that no one could, or should, judge her on that. That said, if the said pic is the subject mare in question, then how would I look to improve things? That would depend on what I was hoping to produce. This now becomes ME, and what I would do!.......

I'd want to give the resultant foal a little height, and I'd probably want to refine it a little. Assuming the mare to be at about 14hh(?) I'd look for a small TB, or an Arab with as much substance as I could fined, OR!! a smart Connemara, or even a really tidy Welshman, one with legs!!

OP, don't be disheartened, what ever the temptation, ignore the experts, and do as you will. Who's horse is it anyway? ;)

Alec.
 
Having had the pleasure of chatting the MouseInTheHouse privately I can assure the doubters that the lovely lady is very similar to myself in what she is trying to achieve from breeding a foal from her family cob.

She is most certainly not a troll. She did exactly as I did in using the forum to look for informed guidance and advice.

We both have enough money and facilites to have a foal and we both have a desire to have a homebred foal that is capable of taking us hacking in our old age. We both plan to keep the foals and are not worrying about after sale.

I have bred from a less than perfect, mongrel, no competition record and common in many peoples view, mare. I am sure many had a good laugh at the picture of my black cob mare posted earlier in this thread. The OP may breed from her palomino mare, and I can fully understand if she removed the picture after such negative comments.

I wish the OP every success if she does fulfill her hope of breeding her next best friend and family horse, which will give her much pleasure in years to come, I don't suppose the OP will mind if it doesn't win a rossette.

I have fulfilled my dream and with careful research and a touch of luck I am looking forward to many hours of pleasure riding as I enjoy my pensionable years.

I paid £200 for that black cob mare. The stud fee was more, the keep and other costs more again, I hear you laughing, possibly rightly so, but I don't think I went far wrong. I could have bought in, as I have done previously, but chose not to and went on to enjoy the stress of breeding my first foal.

Good luck MouseInTheHouse, I hope your cob mare gives you one like this to take you galloping on the beach.

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aa, i must admit your mare is a heavy one, i like something lighter personally, but, that foal is super, the last one i had that looked like that grew into a champion working hunter cob, perhaps he was a bit lighter though.

who is the father of the foal,? he looks in superb condition and very well cared for, hope he has a great future!
 
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