"answers about UK Stallion Expo II"

You are not alone, most of the owners I have dealt with were not new to breeding/stallion ownership. TBH why would they have needed to know, most mare owners did not even ask in the past. Things have moved on & for some this has become more important now. - "always know your product" is probably more applicable now as more mare owners take more of an interest in blood lines etc. Lets be honest though you still have mare owners who cant even be bothered to ensure the offspring are reg correctly.
 
How long is this nonsense going to continue?

I have 6 broodmares and for me, the logical thing will be to look at the stallion list the week before the event and decide if the number and selection of horses justify the journey and day off the yard. Meanwhile, all the 'carping' on this forum seems ridiculous. I have no knowledge or interest in the politics but surely you are busier people than some of the posts suggest.

Lucky 'Expo' all that free publicity!
 
well I think anything that promotes breeding in this country deserves all the free publicity it can get

you are lucky that you can plan so close to an event, many have jobs which call for a bit more planning
 
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well I think anything that promotes breeding in this country deserves all the free publicity it can get

you are lucky that you can plan so close to an event, many have jobs which call for a bit more planning

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And OH's that will stamp their feet if horsey plans are made for Valentines.....
 
I for one am so bored of these constant debates, which tend to go round and round and never actually resolve anything.

You look at the thread about HIS TB stallion recommendations below and realise just HOW MUCH helpful info there is to be found on here.

I vote for more of that and less of the nit picking!

*runs and hides*
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i dont think you are alone,many people are sick of it me included,I for one am! I look forward to the Expo and hopes it will be a huge sucsess and grows bigger and better every year,think it will be good for the UK! Its the same people that make it go round in circles, a small group,it does get boring.
 
I think we have all said we hope it will be a success haven't we?

odd how some cannot voice their views or queries and never tell you all to be quiet..yet you often come on here to tell others to be quiet..
 
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I think we have all said we hope it will be a success haven't we?

odd how some cannot voice their views or queries and never tell you all to be quiet..yet you often come on here to tell others to be quiet..

[/ QUOTE ]Not sure whether this was for me personally??And im not sure whether everyone wants it to be a sucsess? Ithink people cannot wait into after the event to pick holes.To be honest it could be a fantastic day im sure there are a small handful that will have something negative to say. I dont tell people to be quiet,i just it gets boring,we all know the anti KR people and this is where all this stems from,the bad feeling,but everyone is aware now we dont need to keep draggin on snide digs.If we all didnt have computers it would go back to the traditional way of meeting people and cut out all this tripe.
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the best way i think instead of sitting behind a computer.
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It does not do many people any favours when they act like children,but everyone is entitled to there opinon after all it is a forum!
 
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I am actually going along on the Sunday and fully anticipate being able to do a positive article as it will focus on the stallions and their owners and the trade stands. So I do want it to be a success because ultimately anything that can promote the stallions and breeding in general has to be a good thing. I also have some good friends who have paid out money, so again, do not want the day to be a damp squib from their points of view either. We have also been promoting it, for free, for over a month now on our own magazine, even though I am - as you know - not keen on the organisers, I AM keen on the breeding side of it....and again, for those who are taking part we want it to be a success, so will continue to do so.
 
At the end of the day, the way I see it is this - if people do not like my open and frank opinion then click on the "ignore user" button.

You all suggest it so much to other people, especially when it comes to anything regarding a certain person. Yet I think, deep down, you actually like to read the posts, regardless of whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Otherwise, why would any thread get so much hits.

Lets face it, the hotter the topic the more people are drawn in to read what is being said. That is human nature after all!
 
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I think we have all said we hope it will be a success haven't we?

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So who was the above statement directed at?

No one has said anything about shutting up exactly more about moving on as the constant referals to the past are tiresome. As you pointed out it needs to be kept in mind that the only people this negativity will hurt are the ones paying to take part. And if you dont think keep reminding people as James did about descrapancies etc is not negative then we are reading these posts differently. As anyone who has organised an event regardless whether it be equine or a trade fare, it takes time. Yet I am sure it was questioned as to why monies were needed so early on, &amp; again it was the tone of the query. I so hope now that this is a sucess, because boy are some of you going to have huge I told you so smiles if it is not
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And if you dont think keep reminding people as James did about descrapancies etc is not negative then we are reading these posts differently.

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I would suggest that it is the said discrepancies that are the negative here; NOT the reminder.
 
you are so wholly wrong, I certainly would not as too many friends have invested time and money in this and would be hurt by it not being a success - I don't see how anyone could find pleasure in that
 
I do find it rather amusing that that this discussion now seems to be a he said/she said/never said what, now!

I am as bored of this subject as the next man, however I refuse to have any wool pulled over my eyes and will not meekly roll over to have my tummy tickled. Hence why I ask questions - ones I should not have to ask. It is clear that others feel the same. When a thread is started entitled "answers about UK Stallion Epo", one does rather expect answers and also questions to be poised!

For the sake of British Breeding and for friends and other good people who have invested in the Expo, I truly do hope that it is a great success.

It is a shame that I need to repeat myself!
 
StableName,

you are entirely correct, in my view. It is, and most certainly will be, a complete waist of time, when the doubts are raised AFTER the event. The doubts most certainly have been raised, ad nauseam.

I too have doubts, and in the event that the Expo turns out to be a resounding success, then I will be amongst the first (or possibly only one!) to admit that I was wrong.

On balance, I think that I would go along with T-E and Gan1. Can we all not just wait and see? Too many people have invested hard earned money in this for it to fail.

The event will go ahead, there's no doubt of that, and if it isn't perhaps, as it was promoted, but none the less offers the facilities which we have all needed for many years, then could we not accept that as something of a pilot, then future Expos will grow and improve?

Alec.
 
Yes, actually, it IS tedious reading all through these posts about questions being raised about the Expo, but as long as the answers being given don't actually allay many potential visitors' concerns, and in their self-contradiction seem to create more confusion rather than less, what is so wrong in the earlier answers and original promises being queried? Having gone to look at the website again today, as I have been contemplating going on the Sunday to look at eventing stallions if it's worth my while, there are still only 28 stallions showing on there, and 26 days to go to the Expo weekend. Of those 28, very few are worthy eventing sires, so I am starting to wonder if it is worth the long drive to Keysoe. 11 stallions do not have complete pedigrees shown, and there are STILL spelling mistakes in horses' names. As we've been told it only takes 10 minutes to put these details on, why aren't they there, correct? That's less than two hours' work, apparently.

Given that the organisers should have a lot of experience from the Continent of what is needed for these events to run smoothly, and have an understanding of the shortcomings of the UK stallion parades, I don't understand why we aren't getting something much higher profile, more detailed, more accurate, more up-to-date and more mare-owner orientated.

It is the nature of intelligent independent thinkers not to jump when told, but to ask how high and check out the landing first. Those who are asking questions here are simply clarifying some very woolly facts to be sure that this whole enterprise is going to be something they should attend. Those of us with large yards and/or family commitments can't dance off for the day like those with rather lesser/fewer responsibilities. I would enjoy it very much if this event is a success - we sorely need something on the promised scale of this event - but if it doesn't live up to all its hype and promise, there will be plenty of disappointed stallion and mare owners.

I don't understand at all why the likes of magic and her ilk feel the need to police what is or is not written in this thread, or on this and directly associated topics. It is perfectly obvious that new people join this forum every day, and will not necessarily be familiar with some of the background to this event, which knowledge will help them make better informed decisions.





Apologies for any typos - I'm not dyslexic, I just don't give a martinevanfkndam
 
I only occasionally come on this forum but I from what I know of the past posts and the reputation of the organiser of this event I'm not surprised that there's a bit of suspicion of motives. So I think that people are quite justified in querying the organisation of this event, and sometimes memories are very short as I think that there were in the past lots of derogatory references to British breeding and breeders, and organisations like the BEF? Wasn't it St Paul who had the sudden conversion on the road to Damascus? I wonder if owning stallions that are now for some reason standing in the UK has led to a sudden coinversion about the quality of British breeding? Maybe if that produces a successful event for British breeding that will work out to be a good thing in the long run, lets just hope that the organisers influence is less divisive in the future
 
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Well I've been on the website, and unless I'm being a half wit ( perfectly possible), I can't see how much it is to go and view, or is it just turn up???
 
It is on there but its on a different tab somewhere; might be "stallion owners" or something like that? Its with the blurb encouraging you to advertise your stallion.
 
I think I've worked my way through all the clickable options on the website and I can't find the prices for entry fees anywhere, and yet they were there a few days ago. There was a choice of tickets, some with and some without the breeding guide, some for both days etc. I was surprised at the time that the ticket price for entry and the breeding guide was only £2 more than the plain entry ticket. When Martine said it cost £6 to print the guide, I couldn't decide whether it meant they didn't actually need to charge an entry fee at all to be making a profit, or whether they were going to subsidise the printing costs from the entry fees, or whether £6 wasn't actually hugely expensive for something that might only have the now-34 stallions currently on the website in it, rather than the 100 stallions originally quoted. Hopefully the information that is still missing from the website will be in the breeding guide.
 
cmg- had a look and agree; it was on there, wasn't it? But I can't find it now. Sorry cundlegreen for misleading you. Now there are only prices for stallion entry and breeding guide by itself.

This is the some of the information off the expo's facebook site; the information is still on there; but I don't know if these prices etc. are still current.

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UK Breeding Guide £9 including two day ticket
One day ticket £5
Two day ticket £7
Children £2 per day


Both days (all times approximate)

Young stallions (under 7YO)
9—10am Eventing
10—10.15am speaker from the PHSP
10.15—11am Dressage
11—11.15am speaker from the BEF Futurity
11.15—12.15pm Showjumping
12.15—12.30pm Guest speaker
12.30—1pm Lunch break

Performers (8YO and not retired)
1—2pm Eventing
2—3pm Dressage
3—3.15pm Guest speaker
3.15—4.15pm Showjumping
4.15—4.30pm guest speaker
4.30—5pm tea break

The Legends (retired)
5—6pm Eventing
6—7pm Showjumping
7pm Champagne reception
7.15—8pm Dressage
8pm Gala performance (only on Saturday)



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I'm not going to comment on the merits or not of the event but what I will say is that I attend over 20 shows a year in the equine sector with my business both in the UK, Europe &amp; futher afield. I always ask to see a list of other businesses exhibiting when attending a new show &amp; it's fairly standard practice so askign those questions isn't [****]-stirring, it's being a good business person &amp; considering your return on investment from the event.
 
I believe it was the organiser's choice to make an announcement via this forum; both in this and in some previous threads?

I would generally, nowdays, look at the website; but the website doesn't give that information either.

Again, where the organisers have been asked directly they have not given an answer to the question asked. One thread on here began as a direct result of a stallion owner, very much a potential client, frustrated by the lack of direct answers from the organisers when they were asked the direct question.

A public forum is a good way of bouncing ideas off other people and trying to find out who knows what; it seems the right place to come if you can't find answers via the usual routes. That seems fair enough to me, always remembering that forum publicity is often positive. In fact, Taylored, I think one of the very first posts on here about the expo was from yourself, talking about taking your boy to this event; deleted by Admin as an advert, I think...
 
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In fact, Taylored, I think one of the very first posts on here about the expo was from yourself, talking about taking your boy to this event; deleted by Admin as an advert, I think...

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And in this comment you highlight my point exactly. Instead of either contacting me direct or Admin you have presumed something which is incorrect. You have then made your false assumption public. So as a business person I would always go directly to the organiser/management and never believe what I am told on a website/forum.

That is why when the thread was pulled (which was started to ask who else was going) I asked Admin why it was pulled. Below is admins response:

Dear Zoe

The thread was pulled following a complaint due to a number of inappropriate comments made by other forum users about the organisers of the event. You did not break the forum terms and conditions.

HHO Admin

So please in future do not assume something about me that you have not had validated first. After all, you know what they say...when you assume something you make and ass out of you....
 
TE - FWIW, I too thought that, that thread was pulled due to being seen as advertising. So many threads started by stallion owners ARE pulled on here, it's a natural assumption.
 
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If YOU never believe what you are told on a website/forum, then if we are to aspire to similarly heady heights of untainted virtuosity, we should not believe anything anyone says on here, which includes you, and, ergo (great word, Martian), nor should we believe anything we read on a website. Are you including the Expo website in your huge generalism?
 
I beg your pardon, Taylored; I had thought that thread had been pulled for advertising because that was what it appeared to be; advertising disguised as discussion or news. Admin's response actually suggests that you queried this yourself. Given that the expo's website speaks disparagingly of the advertising value given by H&amp;H's stallion issues, it was an obvious assumption.

However, this supports my point; that you yourself chose to discuss the expo on a public forum. Discussion involves addressing the cons as well as the pros; or are you suggesting that anything positive may be mentioned but anything worrying, negative, contradictory or dishonest must be hushed up, or only mentioned with the permission of the organisers?
 
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