anti RSPCA?

I have to say I am no longer a supporter of the RSPCA. 12 years ago I asked for their help with my small animals as I had to move house suddenly, they werent interested, my friends cat was hit by a car and she was struggling to pay for his treatment, they wouldnt help, I went to them about 8 years ago looking to re-home a dog after I lost mine, I was told as I worked full time I was unsuitable, since then I have reported horses that have broken their tether and wandered onto the verge of a busy roundabout adjoining a dual carriage way whilst my friend sat their in her car with the hazards on, they did not respond, not to mention the poor use of donation monies which have been used over the years and well publicised. Agreed no charity is perfect and everyone makes mistakes but sadly they have made too many of these for my donations :-(
 
I am no longer a supporter of the RSPCA either they have lost their way they need a huge overhaul and back to the basic principles of educating, helping and rehoming animals in need. They need to get back to providing help for struggling owners including providing for the animals in times of great need and again need to go back to caring about animals especially domestic animals.
The need to have CPS approval for any prosecutions so when they go to court they have the backing of the police. They should never be allowed to bring private prosecutions.
They need to adopt the policy of collecting waifs and strays again and if necessary claim the funding back from the government dog warden scheme instead of passing the buck.
No healthy animal without behavioural problems should be PTS and the rehoming should be done on an individual basis not by a load of nonsense rules and red tape.
The huge loss of respect needs to be reversed if they are to survive and sadly they are losing members faster than the tide going out. They now have a lower membership than the RSPB I believe less than half and lose 20% annually wont be long therefore until they cant do anything anyway.
Their advertising is misleading and emotive they advertise saving dogs and cats but in fact they dont they pass the buck
Te best thing that could happen would be an independent review of their practices and a new charter to lay out exactly what they are entitled to do
That done I would again support them even if the review proved they had not broken the rules of their charter They have to be seen and now proven to be whiter than white before they are going to get support back
 
I'm very suspicious of those attacking the RSPCA I know the hunting lot have an axe to grind, but, it's not as though people are forced to contribute.

I think in the main they do a good job in difficult circumstances. A lot they prosecute are difficult and unpleasant often violent inbred types, so they get my support.
 
As a veterinary nurse I could tell you many many stories where they couldn't be bothered, and would rather send a Vet out on their own to destroy an injured badger in the middle of a field on their own.... But what I will NEVER forgive them for is putting a 50 yr old tortoise in a bucket of water because they thought it was a turtle! Utterly clueless, and the arrogance that goes with it, no apology, just excuses...... They are very wealthy, I wish people would donate to lesser charities!
 
Pale Rider said:
I'm very suspicious of those attacking the RSPCA I know the hunting lot have an axe to grind, but, it's not as though people are forced to contribute.

I think in the main they do a good job in difficult circumstances. A lot they prosecute are difficult and unpleasant often violent inbred types, so they get my support.
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Sigh, you'd be suspicious of me then, who has called the Rspca on several occasions - and no I don't hunt either! I don't contribute as I've already said, and I think that people are starting to get wise about where their money actually goes and donations are dropping. They are at risk of losing credibility and income in the future if they carry on as they are.

I have seen animals left suffering by the rich rspca that other poorer charities have helped.
 
What they also need to do is get proper training It is horrifying the stuff they do through ignorance at a whim thinking they know better. If they dont know how to deal with a situation they should in my view contain the problem until they find a relevant expert to deal with it. Hey ho I love animals too much to support them anymore note I used to but have lost faith from both personal and anecdotal evidence.
Yes they can an do at the minute bring private prosecutions and they shouldnt be able to all cases should be criminal cases
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
As a veterinary nurse I could tell you many many stories where they couldn't be bothered, and would rather send a Vet out on their own to destroy an injured badger in the middle of a field on their own.... But what I will NEVER forgive them for is putting a 50 yr old tortoise in a bucket of water because they thought it was a turtle! Utterly clueless, and the arrogance that goes with it, no apology, just excuses...... They are very wealthy, I wish people would donate to lesser charities!
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Did they get prosecuted for cruelty? I have dealt with them only once, actually SSPCA, who never sent an inspector and did not even respond to via telephone. I waited all day for the non-existent inspector to come.
 
windand rain said:
What they also need to do is get proper training It is horrifying the stuff they do through ignorance at a whim thinking they know better. If they dont know how to deal with a situation they should in my view contain the problem until they find a relevant expert to deal with it. Hey ho I love animals too much to support them anymore note I used to but have lost faith from both personal and anecdotal evidence.
Yes they can an do at the minute bring private prosecutions and they shouldnt be able to all cases should be criminal cases
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All prosecutions are criminal cases.
 
I can't remember all the ins and outs now,but I know she knew her tortoise was there as someone said oh I found it and handed it in, they kept fobbing her off, she eventually got through and they told her it was dead, and even accused her for keeping it incorrectly, it was then they realised it had drowned, I mean, most members of the public, could probably tell the difference between a tortoise and a turtle!
 
fburton said:
Excuse my ignorance but what advantage(s) does having a Royal Charter confer?
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New grants of Royal Charters are these days reserved for eminent professional bodies or charities which have a solid record of achievement and are financially sound.

IMO it also gives it a veneer of respectability which its recent actions do not merit.
 
YorksG said:
I believe that there is a place for a national animal welfare charity. One which is open and transparent, both about its aims and its powers (anyone read the Telegraph article where they were not happy about their lack or powers of entry being published?). One which is not overtly political and which does not use public donations to make political donations. When the RSPCA meets those few, hardly difficult to achieve, aspirations, along with adequate training on the welfare of large animals, then I will have no argument with them.
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this^^
I used to believe they were the 'saviours of animals' until i actually had dealings with them, a friend reported her own brother for beating and hanging his staffy by it's lead as 'correction':( she'd tried talking to him but to no avail, RSPCA did nothing, she gave up after the 3rd phonecall.
The vet at the RSPCA rehoming centre in Bristol spayed the rotty bitch we had from them, it was not done correctly and caused the bitch to develop pyometra and we nearly lost her, my own vet was livid at their incompetence and made a complaint!!

RSPCA and trading standards visited the farm where i used to livery over reports of an injured sheep, the sheep was being treated for foot rot, farmer showed them what he was using but they insisted on chasing it round a pen for 30 minutes causing it stress and the foot to bleed and then tried to blame the farmer.

I have absolutely no confidence in them whatsoever:mad:
 
Ibbledibble, was there evidence of the beating? Video, photos, injuries? If not it becomes one person's word against another's. Or was it not actually attended? The very, well that's for the rcvs, the rspca employ vets. There are good vets and bad vets in private practise too! The sheep, well without catching it to examine it how can a full judgement be made?
 
Ibblebibble said:
this^^
I used to believe they were the 'saviours of animals' until i actually had dealings with them, a friend reported her own brother for beating and hanging his staffy by it's lead as 'correction':( she'd tried talking to him but to no avail, RSPCA did nothing, she gave up after the 3rd phonecall.
The vet at the RSPCA rehoming centre in Bristol spayed the rotty bitch we had from them, it was not done correctly and caused the bitch to develop pyometra and we nearly lost her, my own vet was livid at their incompetence and made a complaint!!

RSPCA and trading standards visited the farm where i used to livery over reports of an injured sheep, the sheep was being treated for foot rot, farmer showed them what he was using but they insisted on chasing it round a pen for 30 minutes causing it stress and the foot to bleed and then tried to blame the farmer.

I have absolutely no confidence in them whatsoever:mad:
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What are your thoughts on TS then, given that actually, they are the ones WITH powers and also the ones who are meant to be the experts with agriculture?
 
combat_claire said:
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The attitude that the RSPCA is some sacred organisation above criticism has got to end. I began to have my doubts about the activities and structure of the RSPCA several years ago when the local branch was begging for donations of food, towels and cash. This is one of the wealthiest charities in the UK and yet it never seems to have funds in the bank for urgent cases until there is a political headline in the offing. I also strongly disagree with their use of chugging to pressure people into direct debit donations. I do not like their pseudo police uniforms and the way they try to trick people into believing they have official legal powers to serve notices and enter properties.

After the legal wranglings over the Gill Farmily will that ended up with the RSPCA forking out 1.3 million I vowed never to donate to them ever again.

However it seems that barely a week goes by without another story in the press that causes them to sink ever lower in my estimations

Then there was the debacle with the bequest of land at Alderley Edge in Cheshire. Mr Brown left his land to the RSPCA with the specific but not legally binding instruction that it should be utilised as a wildlife reserve. The RSPCA promptly sold it - the trees were bulldozed and the land developed.

With the arrival of Gavin Grant as Chief Executive things began going downhill faster than a ferret on the skateboard. First there was the statement saying that milk from areas where badger culls were undertaken should be boycotted.

40 sheep were shot by RSPCA inspectors at Ramsgate after being deemed unfit to travel. In the ensuing melee where sheep were held in unsuitable pens, A further two drowned and 2 broke legs and had to be put down. Gavin Grant defended the actions of the Inspectors involved as being entirely reasonable.

It was then revealed that its latest prosecution of the Heythrop Hunt had cost in excess of £330,000 because instead of using their own legal team they hired a London QC, Jeremy Carter-Manning to look through hundreds of hours of footage. Whilst the defendent was forced to plead guilty as he had no resources to fund his defence case. Further revelations followed hot on its heels that money gathered for a specific puppy farming campaign had been diverted to be used in the hunting prosecution (I donate to Crisis' Christmas dinner campaign and I would be might annoyed if I then received a letter informing me my donation had been used to sterilise homeless people or for a showboating legal case!)

As if things couldn't get any worse it then came to light that despite its policy of never killing a “rehousable” animal, it admits to putting down 3,400 animals for non-medical reasons in 2011.

The icing on the cake came in a Channel 4 documentary that aired this week. In the Horse Hoarder, footage shows the persecution of Clywd Davies by the RSPCA. Incompetent inspectors were also shown chasing the unfortunate creatures round and round the field before finally resorting to a dart gun, which took 2 hours to take effect.

That OP is why people despise and distrust the RSPCA. The sooner it is subject to a rigorous Charity Commission investigation and/or loses its Royal Charter the better.
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Just because an animal has no medical issues does not automatically qualify it as rehousable does it? I hardly think it would be suitable to rehouse a dog which has shredded a kids face, or an unregistered Pit Bull Terrier which the police refuse to register because of certain reasons.

Again, think outside the box.
 
To those who support the RSPCA, how many people do you think would donate their money, if they were aware of the financial donations the society makes to Party Political causes?
 
Rollin said:
Did they get prosecuted for cruelty? I have dealt with them only once, actually SSPCA, who never sent an inspector and did not even respond to via telephone. I waited all day for the non-existent inspector to come.
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We aren't talking about the SSPCA though are we? We are talking about the RSPCA.

That's like starting to slag off Comet when in fact we are talking about Currys. They are completely different organisations which are not in any way shape or form linked to each other.:confused:
 
competitiondiva said:
Ibbledibble, was there evidence of the beating? Video, photos, injuries? If not it becomes one person's word against another's. Or was it not actually attended? The very, well that's for the rcvs, the rspca employ vets. There are good vets and bad vets in private practise too! The sheep, well without catching it to examine it how can a full judgement be made?
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the brother was never visited:(

regarding the sheep, i wasn't there but the farmer said they could get close enough to look without touching but they insisted on chasing it until the foot bled, it was being treated and he could prove that:confused:
re the vets , point taken .

moomin, not particularly impressed with the TS on that occasion but i have had other dealings with them where they have been helpful and competent, but we're not talking about them are we, that's like talking about Comet when we're discussing Curry's ;)
 
Ibblebibble said:
the brother was never visited:(

regarding the sheep, i wasn't there but the farmer said they could get close enough to look without touching but they insisted on chasing it until the foot bled, it was being treated and he could prove that:confused:
re the vets , point taken .

moomin, not particularly impressed with the TS on that occasion but i have had other dealings with them where they have been helpful and competent, but we're not talking about them are we, that's like talking about Comet when we're discussing Curry's ;)
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Err, but you were talking about them. You said TS and RSPCA went together, so therefore, TS were party themselves to chasing this poor sheep around.

The SSPCA don't work with RSPCA, they are in completely separate part of the country, and nobody here has mentioned that they attended a job together, the person who mentioned SSPCA was trying to say that the RSPCA are useless because the SSPCA had done nothing.;)

Do you actually know for sure whether the brother was visited, did the RSPCA themselves say that, or was it the brother? Because it is quite possible he is going to say he has no knowledge of it!
 
Again, warning beep, the SSPCA and USPCA have nothing to do with the RSPCA and do very little in their literature to point this out to donors, which is another issue in itself. The latter have next to no animals in their care, all animal welfare was delegated out to individual councils last year, again, do not make pains to point this out.
 
CaveCanem said:
Again, warning beep, the SSPCA and USPCA have nothing to do with the RSPCA and do very little in their literature to point this out to donors, which is another issue in itself. The latter have next to no animals in their care, all animal welfare was delegated out to individual councils last year, again, do not make pains to point this out.
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The RSPCA have NEXT TO NO ANIMALS IN THEIR CARE?!! Seriously?!

Their shelters are bursting at the seams! I really don't know where people get these things from. Have you seen the amount of animals that are in the RSPCA's care at the moment? It's a shocking amount and centres are struggling to cope with the sheer amount of animals being taken in by both inspectors and public.
 
Moomin1 said:
The RSPCA have NEXT TO NO ANIMALS IN THEIR CARE?!! Seriously?!

Their shelters are bursting at the seams! I really don't know where people get these things from. Have you seen the amount of animals that are in the RSPCA's care at the moment? It's a shocking amount and centres are struggling to cope with the sheer amount of animals being taken in by both inspectors and public.
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I read that as the USPCA didn't. Could be wrong though
 
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