anti RSPCA?

Moomin1 said:
Err, but you were talking about them. You said TS and RSPCA went together, so therefore, TS were party themselves to chasing this poor sheep around.

The SSPCA don't work with RSPCA, they are in completely separate part of the country, and nobody here has mentioned that they attended a job together, the person who mentioned SSPCA was trying to say that the RSPCA are useless because the SSPCA had done nothing.;)

Do you actually know for sure whether the brother was visited, did the RSPCA themselves say that, or was it the brother? Because it is quite possible he is going to say he has no knowledge of it!
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Actually I was asking if the RSPCA had been convicted for drowning a tortoise.

Then said my only experience was with SSPCA, which reading the posts on here were as incompetent as RSPCA. I would have been happy if someone had thought fit to give me some advice, not an equestrian matter, that did not happen.

I have dealt with WHW on two occassions, efficient and with good feedback regardless of whether they felt a case worth pursuing.
 
Thanks for all the replies. It has given some food for thought :)

I am not a financial contributor of the RSPCA anyway but I am fascinated how it has been thrown into the media and is so hated these days.

I hope they sort themselves out so they can regain some trust as they have the potential to be a wonderful charity again.
 
Tai.Ni.Po.Ni said:
Thanks for all the replies. It has given some food for thought :)

I am not a financial contributor of the RSPCA anyway but I am fascinated how it has been thrown into the media and is so hated these days.

I hope they sort themselves out so they can regain some trust as they have the potential to be a wonderful charity again.
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They will only ever be fighting a losing battle though OP, because they are large organisation which deal with a very emotional subject. The NHS suffer similar flak, both from the press and the public who like nothing better than to join the lynch mob with their pitchforks and torches at the say so of Joe Bloggs down the road who has become disgruntled at something. Same with the police, nobody ever has a good word to say about them either.

Yet, let's face it, the country would without doubt, faults aside, be a worse place without all three of these.

People can say what they like, they are entitled to their views, but if people really value animal welfare, and want the RSPCA to make any improvement to the way in which animal welfare is dealt with in this country, then they are going the wrong way about it by screaming and shouting pointless anecdotes of he said that she saids, and the Daily Fail says this and that. How about actually trying to support and motivate those inspectors on the front line, who (I don't give a damn what people say, they should step into their shoes before judging) do a gruelling task and face abuse and often dangerous days from the moment they set out of the front door. The majority of those officers care passionately about welfare, and find it particularly hurtful and soul destroying to hear pointless comments such as 'the rspca inspectors are thick, have no knowledge, they can't do this, they can't do that, they aren't fit to do the other.' Of course, like any organisation/company/charity you are going to get bad eggs, but they are not tolerated and will be dealt with appropriately. In the main, the officers ARE knowledgeable and devote their lives to trying to make a difference and get out and about to prevent and alleviate suffering.

I find it quite sad that people seem to be proud of the fact that they couldn't care less whether the RSPCA go under, and try to go hell bent on putting bad stories out there to put other people off in the meantime. Those people must believe that the RSPCA help NO animals, EVER. Either that or they simply don't actually care what effect on animal welfare it would have if the RSPCA ceased to exist.:(

It would actually be eye opening for many people to spend a day out with an officer, to gain a more factual insight into how difficult their job is, from all angles.. the press, the public, the offenders, and the animals themselves of course!
 
For those that are in desperate need try the PDSA

http://www.pdsa.org.uk/

I remember the travelling vet would be in the area once a month - going back 50 years and me and my sister would take our rabbit to them to have its nails and teeth trimmed.

I realise now that my parents were a bit cunning! It was a donation treatment.
 
Tai.Ni.Po.Ni said:
just wondering why the sudden outrage of the RSPCA?
i understnad they arnt perfect but they have helped alot of animals.

having lived in the middle east where there are is no such thing as animal protection organsisations i find it a bit sad that they are being attacked. i lived in a place where horses would stand in the 50 degree sun with no food or water, covered in ticks and what would be done? nothing....when dogs were drivin out to the desert and dumped, left to fry in the heat and nobody cares. even animals such as tigers, lions and cheetahs and kept in peoples gardens suffering from malnutrition and going mental and again nothing is done.

also i kind of feel sorry for the people who volunteer their time with the best intentions of helping these animals. it is after all the people in the more authoritive positions making the wrong decisions, it must be a bit dishearting seeing all this rspca bashing going on.

anyway please dont attack me :D just wanted to say it could be ALOT worse without the RSPCA than with.
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Charity at end of day. I posted on here recently asking who should be contacted re horse welfare ie who is the best. I have good experiences when reporting dogs. Have been on receiving end of a visit which they have done more than once on an elderly horse who member of public thought was ill and was not getting up as much. They knocked and realised horse was well looked after and could see was old. But we were not upset with them.
 
I don't know a great deal about the RSPCA or the way it works, but I do know a vet who works for them, incredibly hard, often being called in during the night when she is not on call, ot on her day off, because they are over-run with serious problems.

From what she has told me, I get th eimpression that they struggle to deal with welfare cases, as they are used as a vet service by those on benefits and low incomes who complain if asked to pay anything at all toward the care provided for their pets.

They are also overrun by poorly bred, untrained fashionable staffy type terriers, who despite being healthy are completely impossible to re-home as they are unsocialised, often aggressive animals. These type of breeds make up a significant part of the animals put down for non-medical reasons. I'm not sure what those who would criticise them for this would expect them to do?

I realise this is an emotional issue, but I am with Moomin on the need to establish facts about cases before reaching conclusions.
 
MurphysMinder said:
It would seem it isn't just horse folk who have concerns about the direction this RSPCA is going. Scroll down to about the 4th post.

https://www.facebook.com/www.ourdogs.co.uk

There are some very interesting points made by Katie Garton, I have no idea who she is or if they are true but if they are its quite an eye opener.
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LOL ! Our friend the BNP poodle breeder and show judge is involved with this. His anti RSPCA e-petition that the gullible or disaffected have been rushing to sign, is a temper tantrum, sour grapes attack against the RSPCA because he is worried he will no longer be allowed to shave his puppies whiskers off if legislation goes through.

Hmm, I'm seeing a theme here. The pro- hunt folk hate the RSPCA , the show dog people hate the RSPCA, people who have been visited after a report, hate the RSPCA.
And the Bandwagon Jumpers love something to complain about.

However, someone must be supporting them or else their field officers would be joining the unemployment register.
 
I disagree with long prime time telly ads....prosecuting hunts, not being bothered to turn out...

Yes we re lucky that we have charities but a lot are very self centred...

They often leave it too long... Rehome to few people .
 
Those that are supporters of the RSPCA are as blinkered and misinformed as those against so the answer is an independent review which is open and public so perhaps it would be better if this was instigated it wouldnt be surprising if this happened just to prove the point. In the present climate it may well be that the inspectors will be joining the unemployed because the public perception is negative. The only way to improve the situation will be to go back to grass roots and provide the the necessary care and be seen to be doing the right thing
 
when i used the rspca to report some horses they were very good, they were out in the hour and it was all dealt with. personally wouldnt donate to them though i would donate to smaller charities as rspca get over 100 million a year.
 
Moomin1 said:
The RSPCA have NEXT TO NO ANIMALS IN THEIR CARE?!! Seriously?!

Their shelters are bursting at the seams! I really don't know where people get these things from. Have you seen the amount of animals that are in the RSPCA's care at the moment? It's a shocking amount and centres are struggling to cope with the sheer amount of animals being taken in by both inspectors and public.
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Actually they have very few...because you yourself state on this forum that the RSPCA have very few centers.
The ones we all see just run under the NAME but are entirely self funded.
Bit like a KFC franchise I guess.
And I can add a few points of my own.
Very few officers have adequate training for the types of animals they deal with.
Horses/exotics/farm animals.......never yet have I seen an RSPCA officer to have the correct grounding and knowledge of the animal they are sent to inspect if its not a cat or dog, and even THEN they can get things so desperately wrong.
They mislead the public in entering and tresspassing on private property. Many really do believe they have the power to do so, especially so on yards and farms where you cannot shut the door on them.
They can only enter with the police, and even THEY have to be in possession of a warrent to enter!
Then when they have gone to the effort of taking someone to court for honest to god neglect, they in subsequent years fence the same persons fields in so his horses cannot escape....despite being told this is the same person who THEY inflicted a lifetime ban on keeping horses.
The RSPCA needs yanking back to absolute bare bones.
Its officers need training by people who DO know what they are talking about, and each area should have officers specialising in certain species (horses/exotics/birds/farm animals) and they should be subjected to refresher courses to be sure they are still current with care and learn the newest advances in care and husbandry.
They need to stop behaving like a political party, and taking hunts to court when they could be investing in the run down shanty towns that pass for rehoming center, instead of "updating" its animal free headquarters to the tune of 4 million pounds.
Back to grass roots is whats needed. And a change of CEO.....
 
Countryman said:
If you disagree with the RSPCA's recent actions, why not sign this E-Petition? http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/43807

I agree though, a return to its grass roots is what's needed. There are times when it's right to prosecute and times when it isn't. Often, the money would be better spent caring for rescued animals.
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ha, you're a bit late. Its already been linked. The guy proposing the petition is a BNP supporter, poodle breeder and show judge who hates the RSPCA because he wants to be able to shave his poodle puppies whiskers off.

He's also not very literate.
 
I am a member of, and donate to the SSPCA. I feel the good they do outweighs any wrong calls, and feel they are a big enough organisation to exert a deterrent effect. The literature I got made it very clear that they are not connected to the RSPCA, and I am happy to support them.
 
horserider said:
ha, you're a bit late. Its already been linked. The guy proposing the petition is a BNP supporter, poodle breeder and show judge who hates the RSPCA because he wants to be able to shave his poodle puppies whiskers off.

He's also not very literate.
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I just nearly choked on my drink! :D

He sounds like a lovely chap! Lol!
 
joeanne said:
Actually they have very few...because you yourself state on this forum that the RSPCA have very few centers.
The ones we all see just run under the NAME but are entirely self funded.
Bit like a KFC franchise I guess.
And I can add a few points of my own.
Very few officers have adequate training for the types of animals they deal with.
Horses/exotics/farm animals.......never yet have I seen an RSPCA officer to have the correct grounding and knowledge of the animal they are sent to inspect if its not a cat or dog, and even THEN they can get things so desperately wrong.
They mislead the public in entering and tresspassing on private property. Many really do believe they have the power to do so, especially so on yards and farms where you cannot shut the door on them.
They can only enter with the police, and even THEY have to be in possession of a warrent to enter!
Then when they have gone to the effort of taking someone to court for honest to god neglect, they in subsequent years fence the same persons fields in so his horses cannot escape....despite being told this is the same person who THEY inflicted a lifetime ban on keeping horses.
The RSPCA needs yanking back to absolute bare bones.
Its officers need training by people who DO know what they are talking about, and each area should have officers specialising in certain species (horses/exotics/birds/farm animals) and they should be subjected to refresher courses to be sure they are still current with care and learn the newest advances in care and husbandry.
They need to stop behaving like a political party, and taking hunts to court when they could be investing in the run down shanty towns that pass for rehoming center, instead of "updating" its animal free headquarters to the tune of 4 million pounds.
Back to grass roots is whats needed. And a change of CEO.....
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But the 'franchises' are full of case animals which are paid for by the National Society. So yes, they are.;)
 
But they are not FUNDED by the RSPCA Moomin.....they are funded by said franchise.
I admire your loyalty I really do, but your loyalty is IMO very blinkered and misplaced.
Animal welfare should always be about the animals, not the humans or the politics.
 
Joeanne, my understanding is that the homes are not entirely separate from the main organisation. Certainly in my area, I believe they run in partnership with input from the main RSPCA in their organisation and recruitment. If you like they're the residential arm of the joint operation, and paid as Moomin said to keep the RSPCA animals by the RSPCA funding.
 
BeesKnees the centers are in the main totally self funded (moomin herself will tell you this)
So whether or not they are run under the auspice of the RSPCA name, and to the guidelines set out by them, the RSPCA themselves do not fund ANY day to day running nor improvements/ upkeep of the facilities.
So when you "Give" to the RSPCA you are not directly helping ANY RSPCA rescue center, nor the animals in the care of any said centre.
The only thing the RSPCA pays for directly is when they ask an approved kennel/cattery/kennels to board an animal.
 
joeanne said:
But they are not FUNDED by the RSPCA Moomin.....they are funded by said franchise.
I admire your loyalty I really do, but your loyalty is IMO very blinkered and misplaced.
Animal welfare should always be about the animals, not the humans or the politics.
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Ok shall I explain again.

PROSECUTION CASE animals are NOT funded by the franchise. They are 100% paid for by the National Society, until the time comes where either the animal is signed over or the courts have ruled that the animal is confiscated from the owner and handed permanently to the RSPCA. The National Society then hands the animal over to the franchise to prepare for rehoming.

My knowledge of that is most certainly not blinkered or misplaced, I can assure you totally on that one.

And as for you saying it shouldn't be about the humans, ok I assume then that you don't want to see any person prosecuted. You would rather that the RSPCA just float about asking them nicely to hand the animal over and spend money rehoming it and getting it back to health after being severely neglected, only for the person to go out and repeat the charade again?

It does make me laugh this forum. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. If someone posts a random pic of a 'neglected' animal, then everyone is screaming out that they should be prosecuted and banned for life and where are the RSPCA and why haven't the animals been removed etc etc. Yet the next minute everyone's saying that the RSPCA should just 'work to offer help to people' and 'pick up stray dogs' and 'not be so prosecution minded'. :rolleyes:
 
Moomin1 said:
And as for you saying it shouldn't be about the humans, ok I assume then that you don't want to see any person prosecuted. You would rather that the RSPCA just float about asking them nicely to hand the animal over and spend money rehoming it and getting it back to health after being severely neglected, only for the person to go out and repeat the charade again?

It does make me laugh this forum. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. If someone posts a random pic of a 'neglected' animal, then everyone is screaming out that they should be prosecuted and banned for life and where are the RSPCA and why haven't the animals been removed etc etc.
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At this moment in time thats exactly what I believe, because when the RSPCA take someone to court and genuinely have the evidence to secure a conviction, its pointless.
And you want to know why?
Because a year down the line you are fencing fields for someone with a lifetime ruddy ban KNOWING that a ban is in place.
So the whole exercise of prosecuting that person was a joke.
 
joeanne said:
At this moment in time thats exactly what I believe, because when the RSPCA take someone to court and genuinely have the evidence to secure a conviction, its pointless.
And you want to know why?
Because a year down the line you are fencing fields for someone with a lifetime ruddy ban KNOWING that a ban is in place.
So the whole exercise of prosecuting that person was a joke.
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Well take a private prosecution then and do something about it!

I suppose that must mean that the RSPCA never take any breach of ban cases either then?
 
Moomin1 said:
Well take a private prosecution then and do something about it!

I suppose that must mean that the RSPCA never take any breach of ban cases either then?
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On the defensive now are we?
I did not take them to court the 1st time, and I did not fence his fields in for him.
Seeing how the RSPCA spent all that time and money getting him to court and banning him from keeping horses, surely you should be seeing that its enforced, not supplying him with the means to carry on!
 
joeanne said:
On the defensive now are we?
I did not take them to court the 1st time, and I did not fence his fields in for him.
Seeing how the RSPCA spent all that time and money getting him to court and banning him from keeping horses, surely you should be seeing that its enforced, not supplying him with the means to carry on!
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It doesn't matter who took him to court the first time. Anybody can take him to court the second time for breach of ban.

Are the horses still there now?
 
Moomin1 said:
It doesn't matter who took him to court the first time. Anybody can take him to court the second time for breach of ban.

Are the horses still there now?
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Ummmm because you are the "body" to prosecute. You did so the 1st time and should ensure the ban is stuck to.....
Are they there now? Given your lot fenced his fields in for him I should jolly well imagine so!
Bit like giving a burglar the booty he stole AND a flipping bonus into the bargain!
 
joeanne said:
Ummmm because you are the "body" to prosecute. You did so the 1st time and should ensure the ban is stuck to.....
Are they there now? Given your lot fenced his fields in for him I should jolly well imagine so!
Bit like giving a burglar the booty he stole AND a flipping bonus into the bargain!
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Right, so when was the last time you saw the horses after they were fenced back in? I assume they were fenced back in because they escaped?
 
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