One short thread - so many forms of punishment.
No dog should be subject to such treatment but for puppies less than 4 months old?
pinning, nipping, slapping, scruffing, crate used as punishment.
How very sad. Poor pups.
No wonder Rescues are full of dysfunctional dogs.
Its a disgrace.
Spot on, that was definitely my intention. As the usual puppy things e.g high pitched noise etc just didn’t work—she’s very much ‘any attention is good attention’, but the moral of the story is with lots of time outs, firm voices and a handy spray bottle (though this was more for a really charming poo eating desire she had—I knew corgi’s ate anything but..) we’ve got there.
One short thread - so many forms of punishment.
No dog should be subject to such treatment but for puppies less than 4 months old?
pinning, nipping, slapping, scruffing, crate used as punishment.
How very sad. Poor pups.
No wonder Rescues are full of dysfunctional dogs.
Its a disgrace.
Maybe a side note/wider point, but dogs produce cortisol for lots of reasons, service/therapy dogs (harsh lighting, slippery floors, unusual smells and noises alone can cause dogs stress) and dogs waiting in line for high octane sports like agility and flyball etc. A lot of the studies do not take into account the environmental factors or hereditary nerve strength which also may contribute to cortisol levels. Obviously if a dog is already naturally stressy, yelling at it is not going to help and a yes, a lot of dogs exhibit what we perceive as 'bad' behaviour through fear and stress. Shouting or loud noises might be 'punishment' for one dog, but mean nothing to another, and enough for a third dog to disengage with risky behaviour.
Assistance dogs for the visually impaired, in particular have to have very clear, black and white parameters and why it is very important for them to be allowed to blow off some steam once the harness comes off. Is not being allowed to exhibit natural dog behaviour in work, 'punishment' - or is it just something the dog has to cope with in order to help a human, and get through it?
Stress will happen to every dog, either externally/through nature, or man made. As I said in another post, one of mine gets stressed/uppity when he has to stand still. But standing still is not negotiable, he just has to deal with that. He didn't like being groomed as a pup and probably saw that as a 'punishment', having to stand still and be brushed, but again, he's a hairy dog, that's not negotiable and he now quite likes it.
My own dogs were raised with positive and negative reinforcement. No living animal will go through its life without having a negative experience, for them not to be taught that stress exists, it may come from your human, you deal with it and then you come out the other side, is not fair, IMO. We teach kids resilience, dogs should be no different. Obviously with dogs obtained in later life with damage already done, that's a management issue.
For me the majority of dogs in rescue are the ones who either genetically can't handle stress or were never taught how to.
If my dog is about to run out into the middle of traffic because he saw something interesting across the street/or wants to go down a particular route to the park, not because he's scared or stressed, and either receives a leash correction from me or runs to the end of the leash and self-corrects, that's bound to be less harmful than getting hit by a car? If a one of my dogs has to cope with low-level momentary stress (a leash pop, a loud noise) in a situation where there was a risk to his or someone else's health and safety, then that's a risk I will take. He doesn't hate me because of it or suddenly become depressed and when he listens and becomes re-engaged he will get verbal praise.
Apologies for the ramble, I am not sure where I was going with that
I dont think I understand clearly what you mean by punishment. I do know how sensitive a dogs nose is too and would not ordinarily choose to tap a dogs nose but I have done. (1 finger tap). I have watched the behaviour of confident older dogs and bitches with their pups and although I don't think I am a mother dog lol, I do think those methods (vocalisation, nipping and rolling a young dog) probably have clear meaning if timed appropriately. Do you absolutely disagree with that approach? If so, why is that? I don't think I am confused about punishing an animal - I am very interested in appropriate training methods in both my dogs and horses and try always to be fair, clear and use things that have meaning for them. I have also had a number of rescue/rehab dogs that have needed sensitive and particularly thoughtful handling. I have started many young horses and have always worked on a basis of trust,respect and care in their training too. I am sort of upset by your response - it's just not how I am used to being responded to iykwim! Interesting though too as I imagine that if Corgis suffered from a spate in the fashion spotlight there could be real trouble!! Lets hope they remain more a niche interest breed, albeit being wonderful dogs It is horrible seeing what has happened over the years to a number of working type dogs that have become fashionable (huskies, malamutes etc). 
Reference Clodagh on the first page, I think this was the article she was referring to, apologies, it's been posted a lot:
https://growingupguidepup.org/the-punishment-of-positive-only/
I had to hold my dog's mouth closed today while I put his ear drops in as he is a drama queen and was shouting the place down and I didn't want to wake the neighbours. He was fed immediately afterwards. This has happened every day, twice a day, for a week now, he will continue to let me do it, I am sure he does not find it emotionally or physically pleasant, but it *must* happen, he knows this, and he is fine afterwards. He also has to have his tablets administered down his throat, as he can and does find them hidden in food and spits them out. Again, I'm not sure he likes it, but it has to happen for his own benefit and he still likes me