Any fellow Puggle Owners!?

littlemisslauren said:
Aren't you delightful?

Stop being so defensive, nobody is saying 'Your dog is digusting and you are evil for buying him'

The breeding of unsuitable crosses to produce a mongrel with a silly name and higher price tag is frowned upon.
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Actually - that could be the tone of this thread.

Interesting cross OP.

We have one or two around us. Seem like charming dogs.
 
echodomino said:
Still happens, I have the traditional shorties and they're not KC acceptable/registerable etc and the Parson Jack Russell Terrier Club dropped the "Jack" to become the Parson Russell Terrier because they didn't want associating with the shorties.

I think it's 5 gens + before it can be considered a "breed" plus has to conform to a set standard, there's no way a Labradoodle or Cockapoo or Puggle can do that because they are so varied, you know even less what you're going to get from that cross than I do from breeding my shorties
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So is that the main difference between JRT and PRT? The length of leg? I never knew that!

Interestingly, I have met quite a lot of so called "labradoodles" in my job. I have found the ONLY ones to be close to a breed standard are the Australian variety. All the ones that I have met have been of similar size/build/conformation, coat texture, temperament. Some have been imported and some were bred here from imported parents. They've been health tested and owners told about grooming and socialisation. All in all, a very good step toward standardising for breed recognition IMO.

But the BIG BUT in this is that there are so many people who are just crossing labs and poodles without any of the above regard and THOSE are what are causing the uproar. And then everyone jumping on the badwagon with their own variety of 'doodle and hoping to make big bucks from the cross.

OP, THIS is what's causing the heated comments. *NOT* specifically you or your dog.
 
i techincally have a sprollie - shes a springer x collie for anyone who asks

i dont buy the stupid names - they are crossbreeds...

mine was an accidenal litter and paid £50 for her. (to cover costs only) which is how it sholud be with crossbreeds...

what happened to all those years ago where if someones dog had a litter of muts they were palmed off on family and friends.........not charged!
 
I have a "Weimador" the most beautiful, loving, loyal dog. She is bred in the pink, both working parents KC registered - but she and her 7 brothers and sisters were unplanned. Weimador is my description but she was sold as a "labrador cross". I've also seen a weimaraner/boxer cross, and they are absolutely beautiful, again not a deliberate cross and again most beautiful loyal dogs.

So I have no problem with a cross breed, providing the result is a healthy, good tempered and useful dog. Far better than some of the poor specimens of pedigree dogs bred to look good with no regard for their welfare - now I come to think of it, a bit like some designer dogs.

Your "Puggle" looks gorgeous, healthy and happy, you have no problem with him so why should others?
 
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Tammytoo said:
So I have no problem with a cross breed, providing the result is a healthy, good tempered and useful dog. Far better than some of the poor specimens of pedigree dogs bred to look good with no regard for their welfare - now I come to think of it, a bit like some designer dogs.
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I have to agree with this - As long as it is a healthy dog with an excellent temprement who fulfills a purpose be it working or pet. All breeders who do not health test or consider where their litters will end up are as bad whether it is of designer crosses or pedigrees. As are the idiots who pay ££££'s for a dog if any kind with no consideration for its needs/energy levels/costs etc.

OP, your dog is very sweet and if he suits your family and is a healthy happy dog what more can you ask for.
 
I think we can all agree that indiscriminate breeding, whether a purebred or fancy cross bred (aka Designer Dogs), is wrong.

Okay, fine breed for pet purposes. But consider the dog's confo and health issues and get both parents tested.

I see it all the time, people with pure breds or mongrels just breeding without consideration of the health issues, whether or not good homes are ready before mating and so on.

It's not to say that the OPs (or anyone else's) specific dogs were born this way, but so many were and THAT's the issue. But the flames of that fire were fanned by those that saw a quick handful of cash to be made by mating their poodle to the neighbor's GSD (or whatever) because anything ending with 'oodle is bound to be non moulting and very trainable. HA! And then the bichon x's came --- and so on.
 
PucciNPoni said:
All breeds of dogs come from crossing something...but *usually* they are borne out of a need to fill a niche, not just a whim of a marketing ploy to make the beagle x pug worth more than it would be otherwise....or worth more than either of the parents are as purebreeds.
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Hey now, beagles are priceless dontcha know! :D

On the subject of health, my crossbreed has had to have two TPLO surgeries and was diagnosed with hip dysplasia when he was only 18 months old. He is certainly not the hardy crossbred we are often led to believe is an advantage to owning one. My purebred beagle girl, however, is by far the hardiest dog I've ever known and apart from a recent viral infection that got to two of my three and a sprained tail (:rolleyes:) a few years ago she hasn't given us any issues. She's coming nine and long may that continue.
 
Galupy said:
Hey now, beagles are priceless dontcha know! :D

On the subject of health, my crossbreed has had to have two TPLO surgeries and was diagnosed with hip dysplasia when he was only 18 months old. He is certainly not the hardy crossbred we are often led to believe is an advantage to owning one. My purebred beagle girl, however, is by far the hardiest dog I've ever known and apart from a recent viral infection that got to two of my three and a sprained tail (:rolleyes:) a few years ago she hasn't given us any issues. She's coming nine and long may that continue.
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Ooops, sorry Galupy - you are quite right! LOL

But you have hit the nail on the head (for me) with regard to the notion that cross-breeding automatically means a stronger healthier specimen in the pups.


Trut is even careful breeding can yield pups that have *issues* but at least by doing the due dilligence and attempting to screen out potential health defects - and charing for THAT, rather than taking advantage of the cute factor.
 
OP - Your dog is nothing like I expected! Cute though.

I have been looking at dogs for sale online and 1 - I am constantly shocked at the prices of un registered dogs (£500 for an unreg chihuahua anyone?) 2 - What people actually cross and 3 - the price of these crosses (mongrels to me!)
 
Wow - this is the first time I have put a toe into the dog forum - and I think I will back out very very quickly. The bitchiness here far outweighs any other forum I have ever been on!

All "pedigree" dogs haved come about by "designer" breeding. The hill farmer wants a dog to help round up his sheep - hail the collie. The Security guard wants a companion - bring on the German Shepherd (slightly tongue in cheek) - but currently new breeds are being experimented with to fit into modern life styles. This can include desirable attributes like "dogs that do not moult".

I have previously owned full pedigree Springer Spaniels (still the best breed in the world) - but due to personal circumstances I was looking for a smaller breed. Due to my lack of experience with the terrier breeds - I wasn't happy to take on a full blood terrier, so have adopted a cross breed of Jack/Patterdale/Cocker and she is fab. Has loads of attitude of the terrier, but the loyalty and devotion of the spaniel. She hasn't got a fancy name - but that is more down to my lack of imagination.

Some of the best dogs are these cross breeds - whether they have a fancy name or not - many pedigrees are so overbred that I wouldn't touch with someone elses bargepole.

I am now going back to the horsey forum as it is far less bitchey.

Goodnight!!
 
I see nothing but people expressing an opinion on mongrels and the ways in which they are bred, i.e not accidental but for the purpose of profit, how can you be trying to better a breed when it of a completely different shape, often producing something rather over or under shot/bow legged/bong eyes/breathing difficulties and mass health issues from both breeds rolled into one dog (they can not be equally health tested) when this is the kind of thing that people are fighting to bred out in pedigrees (but it's fine to put 2 together of a different variety as this makes it better/healthier and give it a childish name, by this I mean literally something a 5 year old thought up and giggles about everytime it's mentioned):rolleyes:

We have breeds that are (low shedding) you will not get a zero shed dog, even bichons/poodles will drop a very mall amount but are definately the breed you need in regard to allergy compared to low/high shedding breeds and what x exaclty equals this desirable (zero shed)?? please don't say labradoodle, thats just another big joke and shows you have gullible/ignorant people can truely be and "taken in" and also = why we also see alot of rescue labradoodles;)

Like I mentioned you can get away with some X breeds and generally they will be for a purpose and good at it, but majority are just damn right cruel and uneccessary and the fact that people buy them is cruel imo.
Alot of these x breed (esp the 1st stage experimentals) will have/end up flooding the rescues or end up on dumb tree because they turn into monstrocities and have horrendous undesirable behaviours and traits due to their incompatible X breeding all for ££££££££££££££££££££££ and the laughs obviously.
 
CaveCanem said:
I'll admit I do not agree with breeding these types of dogs (in terms of, breeding 'fashionable' crossbreeds, giving them an endearing name, charging (more?) for them, breeding breeds together that do not compliment each other in terms of their original use/instincts
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Dobiegirl said:
Im not criticising the op but Labradoodles and the like are bred to make money not to improve the breed because they are not a breed and its all the hype which goes with these dogs which unsuspecting people believe and buy.
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All of this. I'm sure you adore him, he's a lovely dog etc, but I guarantee your cross cost lots more than my KC reg champions galore working springer.

Deliberately buying a 'designer' cross breed and insisting on using a (sorry) ridiculous fake name just encourages others to do so, thereby encouraging BYB and poorly bred dogs that ultimately ends in misery for a lot of the dogs and the owners who fork out a fortune on health problems. Designer cross breeders are in it for the money. If you can show me both parents' health tests, I'll retract this. Bandwagon, anyone? Hope you sign the anti puppy farmer petitions that appear on FB regularly. :(

Even the guy who originally bred labradoodles now totally regrets doing it. The non moulting thing is massively erratic and not often relevant.

peanutsmumma said:
Blah Blah Blah!!!!
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The ignorance (and I make no excuses for using that word) of people refusing to listen to ethical breeders about what type of cross would be appropriate amazes me. My mate's dog is a proper Heinz 57: she calls it a mongrel, because it is.

littlemisslauren said:
Aren't you delightful?

The breeding of unsuitable crosses to produce a mongrel with a silly name and higher price tag is frowned upon.
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This ^
 
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I totally agree with you Cayla & the majority of the other comments it was just the initial comments aimed at the OP I thought were a bit nasty.

Another angle on it - my friend on the other hand has a british bulldog kc registered, tested etc cost £900 & she's had 2 ops on her hips & she has breathing issues at only 3. That imo is one of the reasons people buy into the x breed thing - after hearing horror stories about the few breeds that get bad issues like that.
 
elliecjno1 said:
I totally agree with you Cayla & the majority of the other comments it was just the initial comments aimed at the OP I thought were a bit nasty.

Another angle on it - my friend on the other hand has a british bulldog kc registered, tested etc cost £900 & she's had 2 ops on her hips & she has breathing issues at only 3. That imo is one of the reasons people buy into the x breed thing - after hearing horror stories about the few breeds that get bad issues like that.
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Exactly, we live and we learn, people will soon learn that designer X breeds will bring as many if not more health issues to the table and empty the wallet as frequently.
The answer is not the breed and experiment on other random breeds but to improve what we have.
If people stopped buying the poor bred pedigrees and went for the well bred ones where breeders will bred out or not breed from the undesirable traits we may get somewhere. I bet your friend wont buy another BBD or recommend them;)
 
elliecjno1 said:
Another angle on it - my friend on the other hand has a british bulldog kc registered, tested etc cost £900 & she's had 2 ops on her hips & she has breathing issues at only 3. That imo is one of the reasons people buy into the x breed thing - after hearing horror stories about the few breeds that get bad issues like that.
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Or you could just buy a breed that doesn't have a completely flat face and is known to be plagued with health problems because, let's face it, they're deformed to begin with?

The way I see it there's what, 150+ dog breeds - there's already a breed for every possible function, including purely companion/pet breeds. Efforts would be much better spent improving the health of existing dog breeds than arbitarily crossing them in a misguided interpretation of hybrid vigour, 'mongrels are healthier' and what have you.

A very great deal of the problem is the prevalence of form over function (it's the KC's fault, so ner :p). In fact the functions available to dogs these days are few and far between, no wonder so many of them are deeply misunderstood.
 
Yeah I agree with you there should just avoid the breed really (personally I don't like them but there we go). You've hit the nail on the head with the form over function thing. She looks spot on but the problems she's had as a consequence are awful :-(
 
EllenJay said:
The Security guard wants a companion - bring on the German Shepherd (slightly tongue in cheek)
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Well Von Stephanitz actually designed :p the breed to 'hold up' sheep in areas where there were no fences, so their initial job was to keep the sheep off the other crops and keep the wolves and thieves from the sheep, trotting up and down all day, hence the long, low, energy-efficient gait.
The guarding/protection instinct evolved in this way and then when their usefulness and utility was noticed, so they were developed for the associated activities, jobs and sports (which were originally designed as a breed selection tool :p) that they now partake in and the dogs were bred for different aims.

Most of the working instinct is now being bred out of them by pet and purely show breeders (of which we once were) and people like myself are going back to the old skool dogs - they don't want to lie on the sofa all day, they will torture you if they don't have something to do, they do not suffer fools gladly, but they are very trainable, they WANT to work and they are a bit more typical of the original breed.

Sorry, your fault, you started me off :p

ETA Great post BC :D sucking up too :p
 
We have a schnoodle mini schnauzer x poodle, She s 7 and was the result of accidental breeding. Th owner of her mother was going to drown the resulting pups and luckly she was rescued. When she was 5 we got her as her owners just ignored her. I guess that if she had been born n the last few years she could have sold for a few hundred quid. Aas it was she cost us nothing!! i must say she is one of the most ntelligent and easy dogs i have ever owned.
 
Wow, I can't believe how much interest thing thread had had just by asking one simple question!!!!

I know my dog is a 'crossbreed', I never said he wasn't.
Everyone has their own opinions
On these 'designer breeds' and that's fine, just because you choose not to have one, it doesn't make me a bad person because I do.
At the end of the day, he has
A family that love him very much and fits very well into out family. He is intelligent, loveable, loyal etc everything we were looking for in a dog.
Further down the line if health problems do arise, then well deal with that at the time.

I undertand that everyone has opinions on different breeds, I don't like german shepherds and wouldn't choose to have one but I have nothing against people that do. Just because they are 'purebreeds' doesn't mean they don't come without problems.

I didn't mean to cause such uproar with my post, all I wanted to know is if anyone else owned one..........obviously not!!!!
 
OP... I've been watching this thread quietly from the sidelines.
I have a pedigree lab, bought from a friend who has the odd nice well bred litter (know my dogs mum, grannie, and until recently great grannie, plus her auntie and cousin) I bought this way as I knew what I was getting ... Not that it gaurantees a healthy dog, with a good temperament.

But I have to say, that designer breeds aside, I think puggles are very cute looking.
There's a load of clips on you-tube for anyone vaguely interested... They kind of keep that puppy look about them. Although concede, know nothing about their temperament. Looks Like their more known in the States.
Enjoy your dog OP, any dog is lovely as long as it's, fit, healthy and a nice person :)
 
Going to stray slightly OT, but still with the same idea...

with regard to cross breeds - and going back to HORSES. I found it interesting when an EDT told another livery on my old yard that her horse's mouth was too small for the teeth it had, and was causing her some discomfort. The mare in question was 5yo, an Arab x ID/TB. He basically said that when crossing that it was important to consider the size/weight of both parents for not just bone and conformation - but also the conformation of the mouth and so on. Because the Arab and ID have such different shaped heads/mouths that it will possibly cause problems.

And they're both "horse shaped!"

So back ON TOPIC, when considering cross breeding, how important is it that the shape / size of the parents are similar enough for the resulting puppies to be healthy? Sure, sometimes mixing in something a bit different is a good thing for specific function. But how many BYB are knowledge enough to get it right?
 
peanutsmumma said:
Wow, I can't believe how much interest thing thread had had just by asking one simple question!!!!

I know my dog is a 'crossbreed', I never said he wasn't.
Everyone has their own opinions
On these 'designer breeds' and that's fine, just because you choose not to have one, it doesn't make me a bad person because I do.
At the end of the day, he has
A family that love him very much and fits very well into out family. He is intelligent, loveable, loyal etc everything we were looking for in a dog.
Further down the line if health problems do arise, then well deal with that at the time.

I undertand that everyone has opinions on different breeds, I don't like german shepherds and wouldn't choose to have one but I have nothing against people that do. Just because they are 'purebreeds' doesn't mean they don't come without problems.

I didn't mean to cause such uproar with my post, all I wanted to know is if anyone else owned one..........obviously not!!!!
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HOW DARE YOU!!! :p

Only joking OP :D and I do agree, but no one called you a bad person, things do just get heated in here sometimes.

Anyway, hope you hang around, you can fight your corner and be the resident Puggle owner! :)
 
PucciNPoni said:
Going to stray slightly OT, but still with the same idea...

with regard to cross breeds - and going back to HORSES. I found it interesting when an EDT told another livery on my old yard that her horse's mouth was too small for the teeth it had, and was causing her some discomfort. The mare in question was 5yo, an Arab x ID/TB. He basically said that when crossing that it was important to consider the size/weight of both parents for not just bone and conformation - but also the conformation of the mouth and so on. Because the Arab and ID have such different shaped heads/mouths that it will possibly cause problems.

And they're both "horse shaped!"

So back ON TOPIC, when considering cross breeding, how important is it that the shape / size of the parents are similar enough for the resulting puppies to be healthy? Sure, sometimes mixing in something a bit different is a good thing for specific function. But how many BYB are knowledge enough to get it right?
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Exactly^^^^ and was the point I was trying to make, a dog should not be crossed with another, just because it's a dog!, physically some are not compatible at all, and its damn right cruel what it produces, but folk don't give a toss aslong as it comes with a cool/retarded name, that is until it grows into the monstrocity it does and they want shot of it.
It is hard enough trying to get folk to do their home work in regard to a breed that can be studied/that we are familiar with its size and traits let alone an experiment for money and a poncey name.
Nothing wrong with mongrels and as I said some serve a good purpose but we are now producing freaks with stupid names for money and encouraging mass irresponsible breeding along the way.
We had a basset x rotti in at work for treatment, it was hideous:(
 
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