Any fellow Puggle Owners!?

I, like many others on this forum don't agree with byb, irresponsible breeding and crossing breeds that are conformationally incompatible. However I think the argument that cross breeds are not worth as much as KC registered pure breeds is invalid. A dog, or any animal for that matter, is only worth what someone (that includes idiots!) is willing to pay for it. If someone is happy to pay ££££'s for a dog that has been bred by someone who has no regard for the health of their animals - until more legislation is brought in with regards to breeding and animal ownership - there is bugger all anyone can do about it. It is their perogative how they spend their money. I agree that the OP's puppy is cute, but i do not judge a breed solely by looks and a pug x beagle (changing the name is like trying to polish a turd) would not be the dog for me. But that is my personal opinion so please OP do not jump down my throat with regards to it.
 
it does make me laugh that someone somewhere obviously decided that the best hydrid name to call these pug x beagle 'designer' puppies was a 'Puggle'

I suppose calling it a 'Bug' might not have had quite as much cutesy factor when it comes to getting as much £££ as possible per pup.


'oh i do like your new puppy, what is it?'

'its a bug'

'no, im pretty sure its a dog'

:D
 
I 100% agree with blackcob. Why would you want to mix a small little bug eyed dog, who at any moment could pop an eye trying to lick itself with a driven hunting dog? It's outrageous.
OP sorry to sound rude, but you couldn't have done THAT much research. If I was looking at a crossbreed. Take yours, for example, I would look at the breeds going into it. Pugs have such a high number of genetic issues there is NO chance I'd get one or get a cross. They have knees that pop out of place, they have breathing difficulties, not to mention several problems with their eyes. Its all well and good saying "oh, my dog's cute, I love him, I've given him a forever home" but at the end of the day it's owners like you and the breeders that bred your adorable dog that are causing shelters to become packed and healthy animals to be put down. I just hope in the future you'll look into rescues too.
 
i haven't read all the replies...

o.p your dog is cute, that is undeniable, and i do not have a problem at all with cross breed dogs, but a beagle x pug is not something i would look for. that is just my personal preference. ;)

everyone is different and we all have different tastes. the world would be very boring it we were all the same.
 
Heatherann - how dare you say it's people like me that cause animal shelters to become packed.
I have done my research thankyou very much. I can't believe how judgemental some of you are, especially you Heatherann. You don't know me at all and to say that I haven't done me research blah blah blah.
Do you know what, I can't even be bothered to answer you!!!
 
OP I don't see how you got offended by what I said. It's so blatently obvious you didn't do research. Unless you like a long list of defects, if that's the case, then I apologise. "Puggles" have no breed standard so you have to look at the parents. And I know, there is no way in hell anyone would think that its a good combination. All I'm going to say is that you are quite ignorant. Most of the people on this forum really know what they're talking about, but with your dismissive attitude you're just p-ing people off. Maybe you should take a closer look at these comments and then take them into consideration next time you want to make a new addition.
Also, thankyou ostrich for expanding what I said :)
 
HeatherAnn said:
OP I don't see how you got offended by what I said. It's so blatently obvious you didn't do research. Unless you like a long list of defects, if that's the case, then I apologise. "Puggles" have no breed standard so you have to look at the parents. And I know, there is no way in hell anyone would think that its a good combination. All I'm going to say is that you are quite ignorant. Most of the people on this forum really know what they're talking about, but with your dismissive attitude you're just p-ing people off. Maybe you should take a closer look at these comments and then take them into consideration next time you want to make a new addition.
Also, thankyou ostrich for expanding what I said :)
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My word, that makes for unpleasant reading - there is no need for such a personal attack! I dislike your claim highlighted in bold, as from your posts, you have certainly alienated me!
 
I have not meant to alienate anyone and would like to know why you feel that way. I don't understand why the post in bold has bothered you. People are trying to give this lady their opinions, which they are open to do, and she is dismissing them, judging by the replies, other people are finding this irritating.
 
HeatherAnn said:
I have not meant to alienate anyone and would like to know why you feel that way. I don't understand why the post in bold has bothered you. People are trying to give this lady their opinions, which they are open to do, and she is dismissing them, judging by the replies, other people are finding this irritating.
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Personally, I feel there is a difference between people rationally explaining why they feel the way they do about cross breeds (IMO - the majority of posts on this thread) and posts personally berating the OP for her (supposed) lack of research despite knowing nothing of her circumstances. I feel your posts are not as constructive to the tone of the thread, hence my uncomfort. The post in bold made me particularly uneasy as I do not like to see posters make comments "on behalf of other members" as it adds an air of assumption that the entire AAD community are against this poster - which is not the case.

Perhaps I am being over-sensitive here, but I'm happier having stated my opinion, as ineloquent as it may be - I'll bow out now.
 
Heatherann - you say that people are just giving me their opions, if you read the title of this thread and the question i asked, you will see that I did ask for people's opions but if any one had the same breed!!!!!!
 
This is by far the worst forum I have ever been on, don't worry,
Me and my 'hybrid/non breed' will not be returning.

Some of you are no doubt miserable, opinionated bints, with many faults but someone has probably chosen to love you.
A bit like I have chosen to love my dog, whatever breed he may be!!!!!
 
Ostrich said:
What is that saying? "There's none so deaf as those who will not hear" :o
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And nowt so blind that cannot see ... :).

OP, I think you'd do better to try to educate us as to why you chose your dog and what your research showed, especially in regards to the potential health issues such a cross could have, rather than start to hurl personal insults at all of us when IMHO, most of us have been very cordial in our disagreement with your choice to own one. You might not have asked for our opinion but threads evolve all the time in ways that cannot be predetermined by posters. That's just the nature of the beast I'm afraid :).
 
peanutsmumma said:
This is by far the worst forum I have ever been on, don't worry,
Me and my 'hybrid/non breed' will not be returning.

Some of you are no doubt miserable, opinionated bints, with many faults but someone has probably chosen to love you.
A bit like I have chosen to love my dog, whatever breed he may be!!!!!
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Without being horrible, grow up. It's a forum! Just because people don't agree with designer dogs is no need to call them names, thats a bit out of order IMO. :)

At the end of the day you posted this thread to talk about your dog and show him off and for people to say "aww what a gorgeous dog" which people have done, and I totally agree, however the moment people have said something you disagree with you've become defensive. There's no need, they aren't personal attacks, in fact a lot of people have said even though they dont agree with designer dogs your dog is lovely and its not your fault etc.

Honestly its only a thread, if its annoying you that much go and cuddle up with your puggle, and realise that it doesn't really matter what a few people on the internet say if you and your dog are happy :)

For the record your dog is gorgeous. ;) :D

(Haha, me posting in AAD is probably the funniest thing in the world, I'm clueless about dogs! My dog has only just mastered "sit" :o but he's a bit speshal! :D :D )
 
peanutsmumma, I think you need to respect that this is a free forum and (within reason) people can respond to posts however they like. It is welcomed to have responses that answer particular questions or comments but you have to realise that the very nature of the forum often leads to people going off on a tangent often related to the original post and healthy debate to occur. Sometimes this debate goes too far and petty arguing occurs but the adults involved usually admit when they are in the wrong, apologise and move on.
 
I don't usually get involved with threads like this, but there has been definite rudeness on both sides which has generally got peoples backs up.

Although not by all, some have tried to be the voice of reason and have asked the OP genuine questions which have been totally ignored, which is very frustrating.

For exmaple OP, I asked on the 1st page, and several asked since, as you have researched this cross of breed what the benefits/purpose of the cross is? It is not an antagonistic question. It is entirely genuine.
 
OP, you don't HAVE to explain yourself to us. If you feel people have gone too far, best just to ignore those posts and move on with educating us and answering our questions. You could also step away and understand that it's an emotive subject for a lot of us who see time and time again some of the consequences of indiscriminate breeding and for those of us that love our dogs that others have chosen to cross with something we don't agree with and then charge an awful amount of money for. That doesn't mean we think your dog will suffer or is any less of a dog than full breeds. I think though, you would be better served going the education route because then we all learn from you and why you chose your dog and I THINK I can speak for most in here when I say that we would genuinely like to do that and understand your viewpoint better.
 
Researching a crossbreed is virtually impossible: there are no guarantees that the pups will inherit the parental characteristics. It's a dodgy mix for reasons already stated: not very fair on the dog, is it?

You sure didn't research HHO if you come on and start saying how great it is that you deliberately chose to fund a BYB of a designer cross breed of two breeds that aren't a good cross. Too many people on here know the consequences of buying a pup or work in rescue.

Do what you like, of course, it's your money/conscience, but don't expect us to only coo over the puppy and congratulate you and don't get personal (which we haven't) just because we're not all falling all over ourselves to say complimentary things about your choices. It's a shame that you have made a big point of ramming the whole made up name and 'I did my research' thing: perhaps peole wouldn't have leapt on you had you not started with the whole look at my cross breed made up dog name to start with.

Recently, a big campaign was on FB to shut down a BYB in Norfolk who persisted in asking what was wrong with his Frankensten cross breeding farm: some of the poor dogs have been born with deformities/major medical issues and the unsuspecting owners have forked out thousands trying to fix their beloved puppies. Some of the pups have grown into monstrosities and will no doubt end up in rescue. :(

Breeders need to be more ethical but designer cross breeders are in it for the money, from what I can see.

There, now get personal again and sit back aquiver with annoyance while the rest of us try to educate, either from bitter experience or ethics, and try to persuade others to stop funding the idiots breedng randomly crossed litters. :(
 
I own a x as stated earlier, he is a Bichon x cav, Both my parents have cavs and Im fully aware of all the problems with them my mums first had a heart problem, epilepsy and spondylosis, and my dads from the same breeder (non of those were evident at the time) has just been diagnosed with spondylosis so we as a family have had a steep learning curve to ask the right questions. My mums dog now is a happy health boy (crosses fingers it stays that way)!!!

I would have loved to rescue anything young and cute, but I tried and no-one would let me due to working I dont work long hrs but my boss will never write this (I do field sales so can always pop home for play/wee time)! So I brought my boy, I dint really want a pure breed and I think the mix of Bichon x cav is nice he is playfull and cute low sheding! Did my research and met both parents who had been health checked, and so far he is a very happy, healthy and fab boy!
 
Health checked or health tested? World of difference. Saying they have health issues now that weren't previously evident just says it all, really. There's no cure for spondylosis-isn't it degenerative? A friend has it. :(
 
Thats what Im saying Ive learnt the lessons the hard way, my dads dog is looked after very well and as soon as he shows any signs of pain he goes back to the vet, he has been on painkillers for a accident which damaged his neck 2 yrs ago, but on the x-rays last week that looks really good.

The breeder we got the cavs with problems from, had loads of champions in there pedigrees and there were KC registered.
 
lui23456 said:
The breeder we got the cavs with problems from, had loads of champions in there pedigrees and there were KC registered.
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Same, the big dog in my sig has a ton of champions on his pedigree, KC reg etc, but crucially, the parents weren't health tested. I'd rather a mongrel with health tests than a KC reg pedigree with none. I'm still learning the hard way.
 
For a dog to be a champion, all it has to do is win three Challenge Certificates during it's show career - trot around a ring, stand nicely, adhere to a standard and not rip the judges throat out (I have seen a lot of very windy dogs of all breeds winning prizes, which I totally disagree with, don't care how nice put together it is, if it is a nervous wreck).
Being a champion is no guarantee of health (one champion in our breed has a score of 50 in on one hip, obviously the breeder is honest and the dog is not being bred from).

The KC will register any recognised breed of dog out of a bitch of the correct breeding age, if you pay the money.

A vet check of a puppy is not a health TEST of a breeding pair. As with everything, it is no failsafe (see my dog chock full of VA excellent select dogs, world Siegers, five gens of hip and/or elbow scored, top winning show dogs, many with working qualifications - yes his hips and elbows are fantastic but he has allergies coming out of his ears) HOWEVER having said all that, I would still **buy** from generations of health tested dogs than **pay** for an unknown quantity. Might as well rescue if you don't know or care what might be lurking in the lines. B is my first dog that has displayed any continuing health problems. And he was only £300 :p
 
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I have always said people see the magic words Kennel Club and Pedigree and think it guarantees them a healthy dog. Breeders who dont health test count on this and dont enlighten potential buyers so how is the general public to know.
 
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