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Last year I did a little bit of digging and discovered that my daughter's pony has a lot of thoroughbred in her. Until then, all we knew was that she had Arab and Section A in her. So finding the TB line was a surprise, even though she looks like a mini TB (pony, not daughter).

I'm currently working on a wall chart and book for daughter about her pony's family history so am doing some research and picking out interesting horses. According to Wikipedia, Quashed (1932) was not accepted into the British Stud Book because her dam was effectively a half-bred. However, I've looked at several online resources and they list her dam's line as being entirely TB. Of course, Wikipedia is not always the most reliable resource but this seems like too big an 'error' to be one. Or am I, an amateur in the horse world, missing something?

Can someone shed any light on this and why Quashed would not have been accepted into the stud book?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quashed
 
If you go on the link below you can then follow the breeding back to where the line is "unknown" in the early 1800's you need to follow the very bottom dam line, so all the way to Maud where it becomes unknown, until then that line is HB or half bred although Verdict is down as tb. You may have to log in to see all the way. I guess in those days record keeping was not totally reliable.

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=518818
 
It used to be that if there were less then 3 or 5 (can't remember which) generations of registered breeding known and verified then it would not be classed as a pure Thoroughbred. The horses that fell under that rule would have been registered in the Non Thoroughbred Register even though they were known to be full Thoroughbreds. I myself had a mare on the NTR simply because three generations earlier someone had not registered their foal so everything stemming from that horse were declared Non TBs even though they were pure.
End House Stud used to stand a stallion that this had happened too some generations back, due to the papers being lost during the war; many on the NTR will have suffered the same fate, either through papers lost or not applied for.
At one time, it was possible to upgrade back into the General Stud Book if you could prove five generations of pure Thoroughbred breeding from the original; I don't know how many did and I'm not sure that's possible now, you would have to speak to Weatherbys.
 
Bobbly said:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/quashed

Going back, Sainfoin, Orme, St Simon, and Persimmon were TB's, as was Bend Or further back...he was responsible for naming the Bend Or spots in a horses coat.
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It is the damline that is not tb but considered to be half bred, going back to Maud in 1855 the stallions are not the problem in this case, link to Maud who is described as a half blood, on allbreed she is described as a tb but that is probably not what she was considered to be at the time.

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=504448
 
Beware both allbreeds and sporthorse data as they're not infallible.

My new mare was down as Millie along with her breeding but everything her dam had bred had been down with full registered names (all Selle Francais) so I knew it had to be wrong. I asked them to change her name to her registered name which they did very quickly. However, when I finally got her passport (she had gone straight to stud from friend so I hadn't seen it), her breeding were totally different as she was down as being out of her grandmother but with the correct sire. Not only that, there were two identical entries of name, sire and dam but with different birthdates (in the same year I might add!) which is a pretty fundamental mistake for anyone to make! I asked them to correct it again as her owner with her correct name and breeding which they have done overnight. The only thing is they didn't ask me to jump through hoops to prove that a, I was her owner or b, that what I was asking was right so you do have to wonder if everything on that site is gospel.
 
I did call Weatherby's once about an old pedigree, can't remember his name but a very helpful guy emailed a good response, might be worth a try?
 
Bobbly said:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/quashed

Going back, Sainfoin, Orme, St Simon, and Persimmon were TB's, as was Bend Or further back...he was responsible for naming the Bend Or spots in a horses coat.
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Bend Or is another oddity. If it's right that recent DNA research suggests that he was indeed switched with another foal (Tadcaster), then the stud book and online resources are all wrong on his dam line. Which is maybe not a bad thing as it would mean that he was directly descended from Beeswing.

What confused me as a noob (I'm a software developer and gamer - we use the word 'noob' a lot. Or if we're feeling particularly geekish, 'n00b') was the term 'half-bred'. To me it suggests that one of the parents wasn't a TB. Reading the replies here, that's clearly not the case.
 
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