Anybody got a horse by Samber?

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I posted this in the new lounge and not got much response so thought would try in here.....

He is the sire of a horse I went to try yesterday but don't know much about him other than he was a coloured stallion. The mare I tried is bay but would poss throw a coloured foal. Not that I am getting her with any intention of breeding.
She has fantastic paces and would do pure dressage but I'm looking for something to jump BS or possibly low level BE.
Just wondered if anyone had a horse by him and what you do with it etc. she seems an honest straight forward type and wondered if that's the norm :-)
Thanks :-)
 
They are not my first choice for a jumper but fine for low level stuff.

This is the stallion report about Samber.
During the course of the test he became harder and more horse. He has a great deal of suppleness and is very easy to handle. He gets along with everybody. The walk is big and regular, as is the trot. He does have problems bringing his hindquarter underneath in the trot. He works well in jumping. His technique is more than sufficient. His hindquarter is insufficiently connected, the take-off lacks in power. He has sufficient scope. His jump is long at the top instead of round, and he dives over the obstacle. In free jumping he has a good eye on the jump and little power in the take-off. In cross-country he is safe over the jump. He is good in harness. In the beginning of the test he really liked to look around. He has fun working. He really likes to go and the ears move a lot. The work is easy for him and he is very willing to work. He has a lot of talent for dressage and cross-country and sufficient talent for jumping. He is calm in his stall. His scores were relatively modest scoring an average of 7.5 for his jumping and cross country, 8.5 for his attributes in harness but an overall 10 for temperament.
 
Thanks I read this on an attachment to a you tube video. I wonder how long ago this assessment was and whether now a days they would be assessed under harness too! Low level stuff is all I'd be aiming at. BN and discovery and at a push maybe newcomers. :-)
 
Yes we have. If you have ever read any of my posts, the mare I post about, owned by myself and eventerd by Mini TX is one of his grand-daughters. Her sire is Hercorose,, who I believe is still alive and covering mares. Her dam was an ex racer called Regal Venture, who is by Motivate.

I gather some of Samber's sons do throw non coloured foals. Her half brother by the same sire is evented at 3* by a well known rider, who also evented our mare to BE100 level, he is liver chestnut.

With regard to our mare, she is lovely! Her head and neck are pure TB in look, but her body is all warmboold and she has her fathers enourmously powerful behind, which is white, just like her dad (a pain when she tends to lean on it travelling and ends up grey and pooey now matter how you try to protect it .......). She is a dark bay tobiano skewbald, almost tricolour as have black ermind spots on her legs. She has a lovely, lovely temperament, being very, very cuddley and not at all mareish when in season. In fact she goes very quiet and biddable when in season. Can be a be atch if not fed first and pulls faces, but wont bite.

Its very interesting to see the report on Samber, as our mare is a lovely mover and consistently does well in the dressage phase with scores in the 20s at Novice BE level. She has been a pole basher, but some excellent training and consistency with her new trainer are working wonders, and is is brave as a lion and quick across country. We also call her a 'thinker', as when you see her riding xc, you can actually see her thinking it through very intelligently with her ears pricked at all times, and as she is a neat, petite but leggy (strange combination but it works) 15.1hh, she seems to have no isues making the time, plus is nimble through obstacles.. Oh, and she is stunning to look at, being very strikingly marked and a lovely dark brown head and big kind eyes with no white around them. If you want to see some pics, pm me and I will you a link to my FB page.

We bought her 5 years ago as a 6 year old, she had been bred by our YO, and we have kept her at the same yard. Mini TX has gone from PC and unaff evening to BE Novice and the plan is to go Intermediate this year. She has also take her to the PC National Champs 3 times, for Open Dressage (about BD Novice level), has won her section twice, come 8th individually in the ride off last year, and was on our winning open dressage team in 2010. She has also won at the PC section at the Badminton Young Horse Dressage competition in 2011 as well (yes, I am a proud mummy) We love her, and wouldnt part with her.
 
A close friend looks after the stallion son Sambertino. She says he is one of the nicest, easiest most pleasant horses that she deals with (she is freelance)
 
I had an awesome son of Samber quite a while ago now. He was coloured and a Grade B showjumper and then evented upto Intermediate level. He was not over big but massive scope and very careful. Slightly fragile in temperament but once you knew him he was easy to cope with. Good luck!
 
They are generally very sweet. A lot seem to be 'tricky' 'fragile' ' complicated' and most are not particularly great jumpers, although that depends on what else is in there.

Is the horse actually by him? That would be pretty old school breeding! In so much as breeding matters when the horse already exists, I'd want to know what else the horse has in it. A lot gets made of Utah's jumping but then he's out of a very well bred jumping mare. . .and there are many stallions that have scores of descendants jumping at the top end.

I know about a dozen horses related to him one way or another and while I am fond of many of them - as I said, they are often very lovable - the only reason we are even still talking about Samber is his colour. Even that testing summary is pretty ho hum.

There are quite a few a few generations on being working hunters in North America. They tend to be pretty and spooky and unscopey enough to keep jumping in decent form in lower classes. The problem with many of the dressage bred ones is they weren't ridable enough for their targeted amateur market but not talented enough for pros (also, most really top people do not want a coloured horse because of the perceived bias at the highest levels). Interestingly, many of the ones that have been successful have been solid, although who knows if that's perception or genetics.
 
The horse in my sig is by Samber....she has been a super horse evented to novice level and rarely had a blip and always had dressage in the top 3. She also won over £100 BS in a handful of outings. She has just had her first foal that is also a little super star in the making....but then I would say that :p
 
I had a Samber grandson (so a bit more diluted). Wasn't coloured but did have a lot of white. He was adorable to handle, a really friendly horse. BUT he did totally walk over some people, not nasty but he was quick to realise people's boundaries and exploit them if he could!!
Was never going to be a world beater in any sphere but he was a capable jumper and I never saw him refuse or run out.
 
Emma she looks lovely :-) bet the foal is gorgeous too :-)
Don't think I can post her name on here when she doesn't belong to me. If I decide to go ahead and buy her then prepare for a photo overload and will give more details then :-)
A horse that doesn't refuse or run out suits me .... And certainly appears to have scope!
 
Nothing to say re Samber, but if the mare is bay she'll not throw a coloured foal unless you put her to a coloured stallion, and then only a 50% chance.
 
Ah I see. Not that I would be thinking of breeding from her if I did buy her. The fact that her sire is coloured is a bit of an aside for me. A good horse is never a bad colour as the saying goes! I'm more interested in the temperament and scope of his offspring before taking the plunge! So far it seems a bit of a mixed review but mostly positive! :-)
 
I had a horse whose grandsire was Samber. Bought him as a weanling and he was an absolute stunner. Unfortunately his sire had a suspect temperament and was gelded after standig as a stallion for one season only and the mare he was out of (failed racehorse) was a psycho! Unfortunately we only found this out after the event - oh the beauty of hindsight! He was a completely stunning looking horse and moved like a dream. Very successfully shown in hand in coloured classes at County standard but he was always very sharp - I should have known better as a foal he would strike out at you in the field - & he wasnt playing!

To cut a long story short despite all our best efforts we decided to sell him as a 6 year old as he was just too sharp for me to ride. He had all the ability but was just too much for an amateur. He was sold to a professional event rider who despite promises to let me know how he went after a season we heard nothing and despite my best efforts to find out the trail went cold. She had problems with him I know but I would have loved closure.

Samber's coloured offspring all seem to have the same "look" about them - I can nearly always spot them.
 
As said several times, we need the mares breeding as she will be more of an influence than the stallion. Ask the seller for the dam line breeding. My friend breeds and she says its about 70/30 the mare being 70% the stallion 30%
 
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