cellie
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As in above just wondered if anyone else is finding it all rather long and tedious.
What stage of treatment are you at.
What stage of treatment are you at.
anyone else having tendon treatment or on rehab programme
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Marchtime
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As you know yes, yes and yes!
We're at the 'healed' stage... or probably more accurately the 'as healed as it's ever going to be so give up now' stage!
Hopefully with summer on the way things will get easier.
We're at the 'healed' stage... or probably more accurately the 'as healed as it's ever going to be so give up now' stage!
Hopefully with summer on the way things will get easier.
mik
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we are a almost year into a ruptured tendon, (it happened twice, he was a showjumper and they gave him to me rather than shoot him), he is as sound as a bell and it still looks a bit better everytime i remember to look!
It was tedious starting up again, we were meticulous in our rehabilitation and were lucky as we had no real set backs. I kept a detailed diary which makes funny reading now but shows the fear, frustration and joy as we progressed and it seems like it was years ago, not just in June last summer when we went for our first 8 min ridden walk!
So I now have a sound 14yr old x-showjumper who is very first and raring to go (for a hack!)
all the best, its well worth every min, from the first days of stretching to the first canter!
best of luck.
It was tedious starting up again, we were meticulous in our rehabilitation and were lucky as we had no real set backs. I kept a detailed diary which makes funny reading now but shows the fear, frustration and joy as we progressed and it seems like it was years ago, not just in June last summer when we went for our first 8 min ridden walk!
So I now have a sound 14yr old x-showjumper who is very first and raring to go (for a hack!)
all the best, its well worth every min, from the first days of stretching to the first canter!
best of luck.
cellie
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Fingers crossed we can recover as well as you have .Just had phone call from vet he wants to see him on Monday.We are walking out for 20 to 30 mins per day at the moment.
mik
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good luck, keep patient!!!
cellie
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Lets hope so we could both do with some luck.Vet didnt think he had progressed to well last time he was seen so hes out on monday for check up and scans.
cellie
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Oh my you couldnt have seen his other posts over the last two years.
Hes done ligament tendon(mild) 2 splints deep bone bruising stood on 4 inch nail spavin op coffin joint soft tissue injury to name just a few .Its the one thing he has taught me lol.Vet has told me to write a book as he has covered just about every injury known.I think my middle name is patient or maybe its MUG
Hes done ligament tendon(mild) 2 splints deep bone bruising stood on 4 inch nail spavin op coffin joint soft tissue injury to name just a few .Its the one thing he has taught me lol.Vet has told me to write a book as he has covered just about every injury known.I think my middle name is patient or maybe its MUG
mik
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the scans tell all eh, keep hoping, ours was terrible and the 2nd time as they hadnt bothered to let it heal properly the first time and he is 14, well 15 this year, a top showjumper since a baby so the wear+ tear on him was bad anyway.
There was no tendon there except one tiny area of stringyness. So keep hoping, at least you are giving him a chance.
There was no tendon there except one tiny area of stringyness. So keep hoping, at least you are giving him a chance.
mik
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ah he is one of those!!!! poor you!
cellie
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What treatment did you go for we have had shock wave and adequan.I assume your horse did his sj and you dont jump him anymore.
Ollies was a 50 % tear .He was tied up for hosing his splint and the yo changed the twine to stronger rope.Unfortunately I didnt notice .The twine didnt release and his quick release lead rope didnt release either ,he pulled back and lump of timber came of stable block with ring,.He went charging up his field with plank of wood bashing round his legs.I have left yard as yo hadnt got a clue and kept interfering with safety items we put in place.
Do you intend to keep hm for hacking only or can you school now.
Ollies was a 50 % tear .He was tied up for hosing his splint and the yo changed the twine to stronger rope.Unfortunately I didnt notice .The twine didnt release and his quick release lead rope didnt release either ,he pulled back and lump of timber came of stable block with ring,.He went charging up his field with plank of wood bashing round his legs.I have left yard as yo hadnt got a clue and kept interfering with safety items we put in place.
Do you intend to keep hm for hacking only or can you school now.
hussar
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On rehab programme for a DDFT injury sustained in May last year. Tried electromagnetic therapy, cold laser therapy, box rest and field rest - none of it made much difference (only a 10% tear but clearly stubborn!) so now we're supposed to be walking out for an hour a day - only thanks to the weather we're managing about an hour a week. Back for a rescan in March to see if I can start slowly bringing him back into proper work.
Very very frustrating, especially as the horse looks the picture of health and soundness!
Very very frustrating, especially as the horse looks the picture of health and soundness!
shirley123
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oh yes !! know all about it as you know, not a fun time is it?
now don't want you to feel suicidal ---- but once you got them there, healed so to speak you then have to deal with all the compensation issues as in horse now not going straight from compensating, the sore muscles etc etc . but on a brighter note hang on in there and you will get there., summer is on the way lol and we will all be feeling better and if things go t*ts up we will chuck them out in the field !
now don't want you to feel suicidal ---- but once you got them there, healed so to speak you then have to deal with all the compensation issues as in horse now not going straight from compensating, the sore muscles etc etc . but on a brighter note hang on in there and you will get there., summer is on the way lol and we will all be feeling better and if things go t*ts up we will chuck them out in the field !
cellie
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Is electromagnetic therapy on recommendation from your vet or something you are trying.Yo is using bioflow boots on her horse for tendon sprain would this be the same or similiar treatment.Im open minded to any kind of treatment to improve tear.
It is hard but Im managing 30 mins 5 times a week perhaps the weather is better in our neck of the woods.
How lame is he ?
It is hard but Im managing 30 mins 5 times a week perhaps the weather is better in our neck of the woods.
How lame is he ?
cellie
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cellie
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oh yes !! know all about it as you know, not a fun time is it?
now don't want you to feel suicidal ---- but once you got them there, healed so to speak you then have to deal with all the compensation issues as in horse now not going straight from compensating, the sore muscles etc etc . but on a brighter note hang on in there and you will get there., summer is on the way lol and we will all be feeling better and if things go t*ts up we will chuck them out in the field !
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Someone lend me a field
this winter seems to be the longest and wettest in years
oh yes !! know all about it as you know, not a fun time is it?
now don't want you to feel suicidal ---- but once you got them there, healed so to speak you then have to deal with all the compensation issues as in horse now not going straight from compensating, the sore muscles etc etc . but on a brighter note hang on in there and you will get there., summer is on the way lol and we will all be feeling better and if things go t*ts up we will chuck them out in the field !
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Someone lend me a field
Doublethyme
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Yep, but kind of past tedious now as its been going on so long!!!
Mare went lame November 2007, diagnosed with a very enlarged and constricted annular ligament and also an impact injury to her SDFT next to the annular ligament, near the branches in the pastern area which caused a hole in the tendon and an area of calcification.
Prognosis guarded to fair for return to general riding club level activities/hacking/unaff. dressage.
Two months box rest, 9 months off completely on paddock rest, loads of scans and finally a course of shock wave therapy (which had a REALLY good effect on the area)
She's now had one month walking in hand and three month's riding (mainly straight lines/road work) and is up to 30 mins walk and 30 minutes trot.
She had her pre canter rescan on Friday and YIPEEE!!! the boredom, worry and stress have been worth it, as the scan showed no sign of the original injury and her annular ligament is completely back to normal!!!
So we have been signed off by the vet with instructions to keep gradually increasing her workload as I have been doing, ie 5-10 minutes every two weeks and down the time ridden when introducing a new pace, ie canter, until she is back to normal work levels.
Obviously the leg could go again at any future point, but I am back on board her, which is more than I ever thought possible - retirement was very probable at one point before the shockwave therapy.
Every day is a bonus as far as I am concerned and the tedium was well worth it!!!
Mare went lame November 2007, diagnosed with a very enlarged and constricted annular ligament and also an impact injury to her SDFT next to the annular ligament, near the branches in the pastern area which caused a hole in the tendon and an area of calcification.
Prognosis guarded to fair for return to general riding club level activities/hacking/unaff. dressage.
Two months box rest, 9 months off completely on paddock rest, loads of scans and finally a course of shock wave therapy (which had a REALLY good effect on the area)
She's now had one month walking in hand and three month's riding (mainly straight lines/road work) and is up to 30 mins walk and 30 minutes trot.
She had her pre canter rescan on Friday and YIPEEE!!! the boredom, worry and stress have been worth it, as the scan showed no sign of the original injury and her annular ligament is completely back to normal!!!
So we have been signed off by the vet with instructions to keep gradually increasing her workload as I have been doing, ie 5-10 minutes every two weeks and down the time ridden when introducing a new pace, ie canter, until she is back to normal work levels.
Obviously the leg could go again at any future point, but I am back on board her, which is more than I ever thought possible - retirement was very probable at one point before the shockwave therapy.
Every day is a bonus as far as I am concerned and the tedium was well worth it!!!
cellie
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I hope our shock wave works as well.Good to hear positive news on any treatment.
I wonder if anyone returns to jumping or schooling after this injury-with suitable time off obviously
I wonder if anyone returns to jumping or schooling after this injury-with suitable time off obviously
mik
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mine had no box rest he was out in tiny paddocks from word go. We kept him shod, I did stretching activities with him every day.
He used to dig a hole in the field that allowed him to rest his leg at a specific angle, but we allowed that, he laid down a lot.(we did have the odd piaffe). So I was lucky he was a perfect patient. He was support bandaged and we used a new thing here in Spain through a vet college, dont know if you can get it there? It was hard to get here and we had to go via official agricultural channels as its only used by Drs. It basically encourages the growth of elastic tendon. He had 3 injections in all and he isnt even unlevel. Its called TENDOTROPHIN.
The vet says he could jump if I wanted but Im retired (eventer) and so we are just playing about at present.
Yours sounds complicated sorry, I hope you are lucky with your treatment. I didnt use magnetic treatment or anything as the vet didnt think it was worth it, but it cant hurt!
He still wears fetlock support bandages when we work but apart from the bowed tendon he never has any swelling, even when stabled.
As I said before, best of luck!
He used to dig a hole in the field that allowed him to rest his leg at a specific angle, but we allowed that, he laid down a lot.(we did have the odd piaffe). So I was lucky he was a perfect patient. He was support bandaged and we used a new thing here in Spain through a vet college, dont know if you can get it there? It was hard to get here and we had to go via official agricultural channels as its only used by Drs. It basically encourages the growth of elastic tendon. He had 3 injections in all and he isnt even unlevel. Its called TENDOTROPHIN.
The vet says he could jump if I wanted but Im retired (eventer) and so we are just playing about at present.
Yours sounds complicated sorry, I hope you are lucky with your treatment. I didnt use magnetic treatment or anything as the vet didnt think it was worth it, but it cant hurt!
He still wears fetlock support bandages when we work but apart from the bowed tendon he never has any swelling, even when stabled.
As I said before, best of luck!
RachelB
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Is electromagnetic therapy on recommendation from your vet or something you are trying.Yo is using bioflow boots on her horse for tendon sprain would this be the same or similiar treatment.Im open minded to any kind of treatment to improve tear.
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Electromagnets/pulsed magnets have a proven effect on healing. Static magnets (Bioflow boots etc) don't. I did however find my Bioflow boots invaluable for keeping my horse's legs from filling when she was on box rest
It may have been a coincidence!
Is electromagnetic therapy on recommendation from your vet or something you are trying.Yo is using bioflow boots on her horse for tendon sprain would this be the same or similiar treatment.Im open minded to any kind of treatment to improve tear.
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Electromagnets/pulsed magnets have a proven effect on healing. Static magnets (Bioflow boots etc) don't. I did however find my Bioflow boots invaluable for keeping my horse's legs from filling when she was on box rest
cellie
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Hi have a look at the post for (time)15.56 re magnets I found a link which disputes electromagnets see what you think after you have read all the info.
hussar
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Is electromagnetic therapy on recommendation from your vet or something you are trying. How lame is he ?
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No, the electro-magnetic therapy was something I tried within the first two months - the vets were neutral about it but basically said it couldn't do any harm. It didn't do any good either.
He was lame only for the first three days after the injury and even that was max 2/10ths lame. It wasn't properly diagnosed for 3-4 weeks because he came sound so quickly. He was scanned only because there was a slight swelling that wouldn't go away. Thankfully I was a bit spooked by the swelling and had rested him completely, plus cold hosing and ice-booting - which luckily turned out to be the right thing to do.
Is electromagnetic therapy on recommendation from your vet or something you are trying. How lame is he ?
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No, the electro-magnetic therapy was something I tried within the first two months - the vets were neutral about it but basically said it couldn't do any harm. It didn't do any good either.
He was lame only for the first three days after the injury and even that was max 2/10ths lame. It wasn't properly diagnosed for 3-4 weeks because he came sound so quickly. He was scanned only because there was a slight swelling that wouldn't go away. Thankfully I was a bit spooked by the swelling and had rested him completely, plus cold hosing and ice-booting - which luckily turned out to be the right thing to do.
criso
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Just finished 3 months box rest for mild strain of DDFT and DSIL in the feet.
I've now got 8 weeks of walking to look forward to and then we reassess.
The worse is being in the feet it needed a MRI to diagnose and I can't afford another one so we won't know how much it's healed. All we can do is bring him back into work really slowly and see what he copes with.
Just to keep me on my toes he has in that time decided to be allergic we don't know what to.
So we're off to Horsepital on Weds for intradermal (SP?) skin tests.
I've now got 8 weeks of walking to look forward to and then we reassess.
The worse is being in the feet it needed a MRI to diagnose and I can't afford another one so we won't know how much it's healed. All we can do is bring him back into work really slowly and see what he copes with.
Just to keep me on my toes he has in that time decided to be allergic we don't know what to.
So we're off to Horsepital on Weds for intradermal (SP?) skin tests.
lucemoose
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Mine has been off since sep 2007..box rest, controlled exercise and field rest. He has been in now for a month as was finding the wet too much. Have started walking him out in hand and leading him ffrom the mare I bought to keep myself occupied. I can find every spot of heat, milimeter of swelling and tonite he was dripping after hooning around the field and has a few sinister legs. I wish he knew how much I need him to come back to be sound
cellie
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I cant afford mri nearly £9000 of insurance over last 3 years.The vet said whatever was shown on mri he would treat the same way so we had adequan and shock wave and will hope for the best.Same as you lots of slow walks out.Good luck with vet wed.
What is dsil in feet.
What is dsil in feet.
cellie
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Oh dont tell me its the chestnut thats lame and the new mare is the bay .Snap ,just bought a bay mare for my daughter to sj that I seem to be riding more than her.Guess what its a chestnut with white blaze thats lame.Your pics look just like my horses.
Butterbean
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We all need to form a support group. Cellie and I have been keeping each other entertained over the last year with tales of what our stupid horses have managed to do to themselves.
My horse was just diagnosed with a tear in his DDFT earlier this month. Don't know when he did it as he was lame anyway with a puncture wound to the sole on the same leg. Agreed with the vet that he could be on small paddock rest rather than box rest due to the horrific time he has had over the last six months, but I've kept him in anyway for the last 10 days as has yet more pus in the foot. He seems very down and I am considering just turning him away for a year or so. Though he is so accident prone that I worry about doing that too!
My horse was just diagnosed with a tear in his DDFT earlier this month. Don't know when he did it as he was lame anyway with a puncture wound to the sole on the same leg. Agreed with the vet that he could be on small paddock rest rather than box rest due to the horrific time he has had over the last six months, but I've kept him in anyway for the last 10 days as has yet more pus in the foot. He seems very down and I am considering just turning him away for a year or so. Though he is so accident prone that I worry about doing that too!
criso
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Distal sesamoidean impar ligament. Goes into the Pedal bone at the back together with the DDFT
The MRI helped in that it clarified that the damage was soft tissue and there was no significant damage to the bones in the foot so it did have a slight effect on the treatment. At that point the insurance would pay half but they won't again.
What is dsil in feet.
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Distal sesamoidean impar ligament. Goes into the Pedal bone at the back together with the DDFT
The MRI helped in that it clarified that the damage was soft tissue and there was no significant damage to the bones in the foot so it did have a slight effect on the treatment. At that point the insurance would pay half but they won't again.
cellie
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Hi m was going to email you for update -still more pus !!!!!!!!.That infection just doesnt seem to clear.
Ollies perked up a bits ince hes been going out for walks not so depressed but hes not walking out that well.Vets out this monday which is a week earlier and farrier has told me to keep back shoes off.Not sure if hes being a lazy boy or if hes tender he doesnt walk properly until you have a trot or canter obviously that not on the cards.Did wonder about giving him danilon for one day just to see if he is uncomfortable in walk and if it helps.I would rather wait longer than reinjure him.Not sure whats causing the problem the hoof or tendon.
Will Brooklyn go out with your other horse that you are resting he might be happier with company.Im sure hes run down bless him.
Ollies perked up a bits ince hes been going out for walks not so depressed but hes not walking out that well.Vets out this monday which is a week earlier and farrier has told me to keep back shoes off.Not sure if hes being a lazy boy or if hes tender he doesnt walk properly until you have a trot or canter obviously that not on the cards.Did wonder about giving him danilon for one day just to see if he is uncomfortable in walk and if it helps.I would rather wait longer than reinjure him.Not sure whats causing the problem the hoof or tendon.
Will Brooklyn go out with your other horse that you are resting he might be happier with company.Im sure hes run down bless him.
criso
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I'm the same at the moment.
No back shoes on farriers advice. Frogs aren't great as he poos then takes a step back and stands in it and has been doing for months but farrier said this would improve as I walk him.
So I don't know if Frankie's footy because his frogs are tender; because he a wimpy TB who can't cope without shoes under any circumstances; he's just stiff and weak after not even walking for 3 months or if he's now done something else to his back legs while on box rest.
Tried hoof boots at the back but he did this big exaggerated movement as they felt odd.
farrier has told me to keep back shoes off.Not sure if hes being a lazy boy or if hes tender
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I'm the same at the moment.
No back shoes on farriers advice. Frogs aren't great as he poos then takes a step back and stands in it and has been doing for months but farrier said this would improve as I walk him.
So I don't know if Frankie's footy because his frogs are tender; because he a wimpy TB who can't cope without shoes under any circumstances; he's just stiff and weak after not even walking for 3 months or if he's now done something else to his back legs while on box rest.
Tried hoof boots at the back but he did this big exaggerated movement as they felt odd.
cellie
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farrier has told me to keep back shoes off.Not sure if hes being a lazy boy or if hes tender
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I'm the same at the moment.
No back shoes on farriers advice. Frogs aren't great as he poos then takes a step back and stands in it and has been doing for months but farrier said this would improve as I walk him.
So I don't know if Frankie's footy because his frogs are tender; because he a wimpy TB who can't cope without shoes under any circumstances; he's just stiff and weak after not even walking for 3 months or if he's now done something else to his back legs while on box rest.
Tried hoof boots at the back but he did this big exaggerated movement as they felt odd.
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Oh no not another tb should have known, they should come with a health warning ,keep in box admire from a distance and do not ride,fragile
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farrier has told me to keep back shoes off.Not sure if hes being a lazy boy or if hes tender
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I'm the same at the moment.
No back shoes on farriers advice. Frogs aren't great as he poos then takes a step back and stands in it and has been doing for months but farrier said this would improve as I walk him.
So I don't know if Frankie's footy because his frogs are tender; because he a wimpy TB who can't cope without shoes under any circumstances; he's just stiff and weak after not even walking for 3 months or if he's now done something else to his back legs while on box rest.
Tried hoof boots at the back but he did this big exaggerated movement as they felt odd.
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Oh no not another tb should have known, they should come with a health warning ,keep in box admire from a distance and do not ride,fragile