Anyone else smell a scam... ? Long story

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The way I see it is that J gets the horse, fattens it up, has it shod, etc, etc, and then the mysterious 'buyer' turns up to justify the totally unreasonable price tag. Imagine 8k but in POUNDS.

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I have to say i really see where you are coming from, hopefully he has the sence to have something written up that says the price will be honoured if he takes him on a months trial as other wise these scams have happened before and will happen again to him! Also agree that there is no harm in looking at other horses even if it just confirms the fact he likes this one. I would keep pushing him to look at others as you are only doing what a good friend should! He is pretty i agree but hat doesnt mean he can jump which is what he wanted in the first place.
 
I really like the horse. Id prob just pay the money and keep him. £1,300 isnt a lot of money.

It does sound as if there is something more suitable out there for less money but if hes in love then hes in love. I would be too and even if I could get cheaper for that money id prob still buy him..

He may turn out to be really nice anyway. With horses sometimes gut feeling his best and if this guy has a good gut feeling maybe he should go with it. I wouldnt blame the horse for his concussion ect.. he shouldnt have ridden him on his own without getting his teeth done and having him checked by the vet ect. He may be skinny because hes got some pysical probs that need sorting out first.

I think the horse is beautiful and I would prob pay the money just as he stands and take the risk.
 
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Nopes i wouldn't. And no one else will either.

I think if your friend won't be swayed away from him then he should at least get a very thorough vetting done as you say, and then he can go to the owner with the vet cert and say look what's wrong with it, no one will give you what you want but i'll give you XXX amount and that's about as good as you'l ever get. Plus bad reputations mean bad business for dealers... can never understand it.

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Well, he's promised to get the horse vetted (sooner rather than later) and have his teeth sorted out.
This isn't a true dealer though; just someone who keeps a few backstreet racehorses in his back garden (honest)
 
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I think your friend has bought himself a lot of expense as well as whole lot blood, sweat and tears, hope he’s get better soon, but by the sounds of it, I also think the horse needs a lot time and work putting in (a chance basically) before anyone can decide if it’s a nut job..so to speak, thing is your friend wasn’t after a long term project, he wants something to enjoy and jump and there is no way that’s going to happen any time soon with a horse like this and yes he paid way way too much.

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Well, J now says he doesn't mind not competing this year and is willing to put the work in. He's at least realised that.

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A lot race horses look tucked up and some are on the very very slim side but he doesn’t even have any muscle does he, when was his last race?

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No idea. Quite a while ago. I went to see him about 6 weeks ago, maybe longer, and he was already looking ropy. Apparently horse was just turned away for another month on scrub and came to us looking like a welfare case. He actually looks rather better in the photo.


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I think most sensible thing to do is to send the horse back, sounds like reciepe for disaster and he’s just had the first taste, I do hope the horse end up somewhere where he gets a fair chance, otherwise its kinder to have them shot, rather than being sold and passed about to the wrong people etc.

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Sadly I get the impression that the owner wants to make a buck or let him starve....
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I must admit though, there could be a nice horse there in time and I too would find it hard to send him back, but it will take longer than a month trial to find out that’s the thing, your right it’s a tuffy.

Hope it all works out for J and the horse.

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He IS a nice horse. Very easy to handle. It'll fall on me and YO/RI to try out horse (eek!
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I have to say i really see where you are coming from, hopefully he has the sence to have something written up that says the price will be honoured if he takes him on a months trial as other wise these scams have happened before and will happen again to him! Also agree that there is no harm in looking at other horses even if it just confirms the fact he likes this one. I would keep pushing him to look at others as you are only doing what a good friend should! He is pretty i agree but hat doesnt mean he can jump which is what he wanted in the first place.

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Well quite; what if price goes up, what if after all the expense of vetting, x-rays, worming, vitamins, vaccinations, shoeing etc the horse can't jump, or hasn't got the temperament to go in the ring...
I'll try and find something else for him to at least LOOK at.
 
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I really like the horse. Id prob just pay the money and keep him. £1,300 isnt a lot of money.

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£1300 is a HUGE amount of money in Argentina. The average salary (AVERAGE, not minimum), is £376. After a very quick google search, I've found that the average UK salary for a man is £2052. That would make this horse worth £7k in UK terms (I guesstimated £5k) Would you seriously pay that kind of money?



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He may turn out to be really nice anyway. With horses sometimes gut feeling his best and if this guy has a good gut feeling maybe he should go with it. I wouldnt blame the horse for his concussion ect.. he shouldnt have ridden him on his own without getting his teeth done and having him checked by the vet ect. He may be skinny because hes got some pysical probs that need sorting out first.

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No one is blaming the horse YET. If he's got physical problems beyond the worms (which have been treated) then he's worth even less. Yes, he might turn out great, but at what cost?

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I think the horse is beautiful and I would prob pay the money just as he stands and take the risk.

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Really?
 
I really hope it works out for him and the horse, you never know, it could be fate and a match made in heaven given time, think the main thing is getting the horse vetted and starting with a clean slate.

I'd love to see how the horse turns out though if all goes well, fingers crossed, so watch this space hopefully!
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I like this horse and for £1300 I would pay that and for that price I would expect a lot of hard work and blood sweat and tears. If you are looking at that horse, with the correct muscle and work etc you would be looking at a lot lot more money than that in the UK.
I don't understand the currency so I do apologise, I am only looking at it from a UK point of view. I also agree that this is possibly the wrong horse for J but on the otherhand it is also interesting that he really likes the horse. There must be something there.
He could be a little cracker.
 
Also are you sure you are working out the average UK salary correctly? I am presuming you mean, and you know that, £2052 would be for a month. Thats about right and horses over here can cost a lot more than a months salary.
 
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Also are you sure you are working out the average UK salary correctly? I am presuming you mean, and you know that, £2052 would be for a month. Thats about right and horses over here can cost a lot more than a months salary.

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Yes, I do know what that means. I'm also aware that some horses cost a lot more than a month's salary. SOME horses, including FIT, and HEALTHY off the track TBs, for instance, cost a lot less. PF was FREE.
Ok, look at it this way. £1300 in Argentina is the same (in purchasing power) as £7000. That's 7 thousand pounds for an entirely untrained,very poor, unshod and badly trimmed, thoroughbred gelding with rubbish teeth, just off the track.
Would you honestly spend £7k on the horse I've just described, even if he's pretty and has a sweet nature?
 
Well, with his budget he would've been able to buy a nice 3 yo bred to jump at a recent auction. AND he would've been allowed to pay in installments.
I've spoken to J. If the horse passes the vetting and x-rays, I've told him to offer HALF, cash in hand. More than I think the horse is worth, but he's going rather nicely now and shows promise in the jumping lane, so realistically once he's fit and well, if he doesn't suit J, he can probably sell him on and not lose money. I pointed out to him that in one month of having him on loan and putting horse right; shoeing, worming, vitamins and FEEDING he will already have spent ARG$1000. I don't think the owner stands a chance of getting 8K with the horse in the state he arrived and I don't see him continuing the care regime once he goes back.
We might yet have a happy ending (at least for the neddy!)
 
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