Anyone ever had a horse shod on hinds only and bare in front? Pictures

[McGrools]

Hi, just pondering. I have a tb mare who i want to event. She was dropping front shoes at an alarming rate last autumn so i removed her shoes and boot as required. But it is her hinds that seem to be not coping. I think there is a bit of npa going on and she is just walking on the frog and bulbs and has no heel. I dont want to use boots for jumping so it looks like i’m going to have to shoe behind. However i am scared of shoeing in front due to them falling off all the time again. And me having to harrass a farrier to death again which i absolutely hate doing.
Have you ever come across a horse with just hinds on?

 

[splashgirl45]

Could you feed a supplement to help with hoof growth, I used formula4feet on my cushings mare and it really helped to stop the cracking of the hooves by the nail holes and also hardened her hood so it didn’t chip when I took her hinds off

 

[ycbm]

Who is trimming for you? They don't look properly balanced to me, with too much wall at the toe. Photos can be deceptive though.


I would be very reluctant to raise the hind end by half an inch as it will shift more weight onto the front feet, and I certainly wouldn't do it before getting the balance of the feet right.
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[McGrools]

Who is trimming for you? They don't look properly balanced to me, with too much wall at the toe. Photos can be deceptive though.


I would be very reluctant to raise the hind end by half an inch as it will shift more weight onto the front feet, and I certainly wouldn't do it before getting the balance of the feet right.
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Thanks i trim myself, the toes were very long and i have got them a lot shorter over the last 4 months but the heels just dont seem to be developing. I have more photos but they are too large to let me upload. Any ideas on how to shrink them?

 

[McGrools]

Could you feed a supplement to help with hoof growth, I used formula4feet on my cushings mare and it really helped to stop the cracking of the hooves by the nail holes and also hardened her hood so it didn’t chip when I took her hinds off

I have had her on progressive earth pro foot for the last year but ran out a couple of months ago and not yet replaced. Will do soon
I think the extreme recent grass growth hasnt helped

 

[expanding_horizon]

The equine Documentalist said he shoes some horses just on hinds for NPA correction.

 

[McGrools]

Who is trimming for you? They don't look properly balanced to me, with too much wall at the toe. Photos can be deceptive though.


I would be very reluctant to raise the hind end by half an inch as it will shift more weight onto the front feet, and I certainly wouldn't do it before getting the balance of the feet right.
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More photos YCBM. Do these still look off to you? I an aware her heels are very underrun xx

 

[ycbm]

I'll repeat that photos can be deceptive, but yes, it looks to me as if you have to much height in the hoof wall at ten to two and ten past two. If so, that will be tilting the weight back into the heels and causing a negative hoof pastern axis to be more likely. It might also be crushing the heels and stopping them developing. Nothing beats being there is person to feel the actual shape though. I might be reading the photos completely wrong.
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[McGrools]

I'll repeat that photos can be deceptive, but yes, it looks to me as if you have to much height in the hoof wall at ten to two and ten past two. If so, that will be tilting the weight back into the heels and causing a negative hoof pastern axis to be more likely. It might also be crushing the heels and stopping them developing. Nothing beats being there is person to feel the actual shape though. I might be reading the photos completely wrong.
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Interesting thankyou. That makes sense. There does seem to be a good depth of sole at the toe and yes she does tip back on her heel bulbs. Is it a case of taking some of the sole off at the 10-2 area?

 

[HorsesRule2009]

Take a look here she seems to have had a lot of success with her trimming method

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[ycbm]

Interesting thankyou. That makes sense. There does seem to be a good depth of sole at the toe and yes she does tip back on her heel bulbs. Is it a case of taking some of the sole off at the 10-2 area?

Not the sole, probably, unless it's false sole and I can't see obvious signs of it. (And even then it could be there for a reason and might cause sensitivity if removed. ) But definitely all the hoof wall right down to the sole level.

 

[McGrools]

Not the sole, probably, unless it's false sole and I can't see obvious signs of it. (And even then it could be there for a reason and might cause sensitivity if removed. ) But definitely all the hoof wall right down to the sole level.

Thankyou i will have a look to see what i can conservatively trim

 

[McGrools]

Thankyou i will have a look to see what i can conservatively trim

Ycbm. I have nippered some toe wall at 10-2 and then rasped. Do you think it looks better? She seems to have plenty hard hoof material there to go at. Makes perfect sense to me to lower the angle at the toe thankyou so much for your input. Very much appreciated xx

 

[TPO]

Have a look at The Hoof Guided Method by Maureen Tierney. I think it's about £15 from amazon, but you'll find it other places.

That'll help, and does a great job of explaining, with toes and heels.

Are you treating for thrush?

 

[McGrools]

Have a look at The Hoof Guided Method by Maureen Tierney. I think it's about £15 from amazon, but you'll find it other places.

That'll help, and does a great job of explaining, with toes and heels.

Are you treating for thrush?

Thankyou, i will look out for that book.
Yes re thrush, i clean with red horse sole cleanse and spray with purple foot rot spray now and then.

 

[ycbm]

Ycbm. I have nippered some toe wall at 10-2 and then rasped. Do you think it looks better? She seems to have plenty hard hoof material there to go at. Makes perfect sense to me to lower the angle at the toe thankyou so much for your input. Very much appreciated xx

Much better. I think you can take a bit more with a rasp without taking sole now you've taken off the projecting wall, by the look of it.

I would hope that this will unload the heels a bit and allow them to start building up.
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[Tiddlypom]

Have a look at The Hoof Guided Method by Maureen Tierney. I think it's about £15 from amazon, but you'll find it other places.

That'll help, and does a great job of explaining, with toes and heels.

A really good and helpful book. I think that I bought my copy after you recommended it .

 

[McGrools]

Much better. I think you can take a bit more with a rasp without taking sole now you've taken off the projecting wall, by the look of it.

I would hope that this will unload the heels a bit and allow them to start building up.
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Thankyou so much! I’m excited to see what changes may now happen

 

[FitzyFitz]

Mine has shoes behind only and is booted in front to ride.

Unusual, but it's the best solution for him. Tried barefoot all round but he has a twist to his hind feet and wears them very unevenly if left bare.
He has issues with his front feet that require as little concussion as possible so it's bare and booted on the front!


No problems in the paddock with bare fronts, so wouldn't expect yours to have any issues and if front feet are good may not need booting for minor things

 

[ITPersonnage]

FF, Out of interest, was this your farrier's suggestion or vets? I ask because it might suit my horse but farrier reluctant because of the additional weight on front feet argument, which I understand. But if you boot in front to compensate that might be a good compromise.

 

[FitzyFitz]

FF, Out of interest, was this your farrier's suggestion or vets? I ask because it might suit my horse but farrier reluctant because of the additional weight on front feet argument, which I understand. But if you boot in front to compensate that might be a good compromise.

Haha well to be honest it was a last resort after following advice did him no good.

Initially used bar shoes on vets advice which made him far worse, vets theory was that the increased frog pressure upset the navicular issues so went back to standard shoes. Told to stay on good ground and reduce concussion as much as possible.

Stayed okay for a few months, we moved house and new hacking was all road or rough stony tracks. He was OK on the road but very tottery on any uneven track that made his hooves land on an angle.

Spoke to new farrier and there wasn't much he could do to reduce concussion but agreed barefoot was worth a try, he'd nip back and reshoe if it proved problematic.

Very footy for a week or two but was soon paddock sound. I got padded boots for him for riding and although he seemed a bit weird about his new attire at first he soon had a spring in his step and was far far better over rough ground. I think the flexibility of the boot, pad and bare hoof results in less twisting pressure on the joints further up when he stands on a stone or something.

Now he trots up the stone walkway to the yard with his mates with no boots on (I've never booted for turnout) and was so enthusiastic on a hack the other day he cantered down the road when I asked him to trot...

I always boot and pad to hack but don't bother if I'm just in the arena. We do very little arena work and all slow stuff though.

He's basically retired so seems very silly having hind shoes on but given several vets and farriers advice and the experience of disregarding their advice and taking them off anyway, I'm pretty reluctant to change those!

 

[McGrools]

Update, i had an EP come out to take a look, and she thinks the hinds are actually good but she is standing a bit camped under to try to relieve the fronts which have thin soles . There is some give under thumb pressure in the front soles. So i am booting up the fronts more and we are thinking of booting and padding for most of the time i order to give her the support to hopefully regenerate a more solid sole.

 

[McGrools]

Have a look at The Hoof Guided Method by Maureen Tierney. I think it's about £15 from amazon, but you'll find it other places.

That'll help, and does a great job of explaining, with toes and heels.

Are you treating for thrush?

Love the book! Thankyou for recommending. My thoughts entirely. Most of the horses/ponies i have had have been self trimming and i have been able to just hack hack hack and leave well alone.
Its just this tb with teeny weeny feet thats throwing a few curve balls at me.
Xx

 

[TPO]

Glad it's helping

I'd read a lot of books prior to buying it and it definitely made a light bulb go on!

 

[McGrools]

Glad it's helping

I'd read a lot of books prior to buying it and it definitely made a light bulb go on!

Love her analogy of the shoe being similar to a cast on a broken bone. Hard hitting xx