Anyone have any ideas on this pony's odd episode?

WinniethePoo

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Hi,
Oli, 13.1 hh Appy 16 yrs old, hacked out regularly (bout 3-5 times a week). He has had a lot of work in his life, was a jumping machine, but got double barrelled a few years ago on his shoulder and broke it - so has been on hacking type work since he recovered.
He has been stumbling a little towards the end of a hack recently, and a bit footy since his back shoes were off - nothing major - just the odd ouch.
Found in the field yesterday, prone (which he doesn't do normally) legs straight out, tongue out, his mouth in what can only be described as an extended yawn, eventually (probably only a few seconds - but it's hard to judge) he got up and was disorientated, wobbly on back legs and unco-ordinated. He seemed to be fine a short while later and as the blacksmith was there anyway and he was going to have backs on, took his fronts off, in order to redo them first and he nearly fell over, so just left him with fronts off, put him in the stable and called the vet.She suspected lami (which he's never had before) or a neurological problem. She did some of the neurological tests and he couldn't cross his legs turning. Gave him bute and he stayed in overnight on a deep bed.
This morning he was bright and hassling for a treat and generally being himself - but he had been laying down which he never normally does in the stable - no digital pulse - and when he tried double barrelling his neighbour through the wall his back legs seemed to land all wrong and he nearly went down again.
Tonight, he's bright, and perkier
So sorry for the length of this post -cava and chocs on offer if you get this far! Just wondered if anyone has seen anything like it before
 
Our pony (not sure of age but we've had him 21 years) was in the field almost a year and a half ago when we were feeding, he was fine and looking for his share as normal. Then all the others shot sideways as if frightened and when I turned around he was flat out, I sat him up and he didn't seem able to hold his head up it would drop into the mud. I went in to get a headcollar and fix some help to get him in to the yard and when I got back he was on his feet but seemed disorientated. He seemed to be blind and would walk shakily but go to his knees on any uneven ground, when we got him in he was offered food which he started to eat (typical pony:D) and he walked around the pen slowly bumping into the walls as if trying to get his bearings. I knew what our vet would say if he came and as he didnt seem in pain, eating, passing dropings and temp and pulse ok, we decided to leave him overnight to see how it went. In the am he was brighter, although shakey walking and eyesight not the best, and he progressed slowly ( vet in yard regularly and it was discussed with him) after a month he was put out in a paddock on his own but he was not happy and so was let out with the others where he settled straight away. We think and vet agrees that he must have had some form of stroke but has made a full recovery and hasn't had any other episodes since. Hope your lad is the same.
 
Our pony (not sure of age but we've had him 21 years) was in the field almost a year and a half ago when we were feeding, he was fine and looking for his share as normal. Then all the others shot sideways as if frightened and when I turned around he was flat out, I sat him up and he didn't seem able to hold his head up it would drop into the mud. I went in to get a headcollar and fix some help to get him in to the yard and when I got back he was on his feet but seemed disorientated. He seemed to be blind and would walk shakily but go to his knees on any uneven ground, when we got him in he was offered food which he started to eat (typical pony:D) and he walked around the pen slowly bumping into the walls as if trying to get his bearings. I knew what our vet would say if he came and as he didnt seem in pain, eating, passing dropings and temp and pulse ok, we decided to leave him overnight to see how it went. In the am he was brighter, although shakey walking and eyesight not the best, and he progressed slowly ( vet in yard regularly and it was discussed with him) after a month he was put out in a paddock on his own but he was not happy and so was let out with the others where he settled straight away. We think and vet agrees that he must have had some form of stroke but has made a full recovery and hasn't had any other episodes since. Hope your lad is the same.
Thanks so much for that, we thought a stroke, and your story has made me feel much more optimistic:D
 
Hi WinniethePooh,


I think your appy has had a seizure of some sort - the open mouth and loss of spatial awareness regarding his legs sound rather familiar - my own mare is a confirmed epileptic. They are all different, some collapse, others don't, some recover in minutes, others are off for a day or so after. I would suggest that you keep everything nice and normal but err on the quiet side and be very watchful. Seizures aren't all that uncommon in horses at all, and most have just one and nothing ever again so don't panic unduly. Could he have been exposed to any toxins the day before? Sprayed crops nearby, that sort of thing? Has he been wormed very recently?

PM if you'd like to discuss.
 
Thank you, fatpiggy. He's much brighter today and passes all the neuro tests, but I do have one question - does it mean he has to retire from being ridden now? He's not really the sort to completely retire, although he's quite happy with his few hacks - it seems to do the trick. No, he hasn't been in contact with anything that the other 5 haven't, and they're all wormed to a programme, exactly the same and that wasn't done in the three weeks beforehand
 
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Did they take bloods? Is it possible he could just be suffering from dehydration and heat exhaustion?????

Hi Amymay, I did wonder, simply because the day before it happened was Monday, exceptionally hot and humid, but the episode happened the following morning when it wasn't quite as hot.
No, vet hasn't taken bloods, she seems to think it could be lami, but we're all sure it wasn't - there was no digital pulse, and he wasn't presenting with the usual symptoms, however, all she saw was a bit of wobbliness and footiness when she got there.
 
I had this kind of with one of mine - agree with fat piggy and this was the conclusion our vet came to after discounting liver/kidney/neuro probs after much testing :)

He didn't get retired and is as right as rain and totally normal 3 months later
 
Hi Amymay, I did wonder, simply because the day before it happened was Monday, exceptionally hot and humid, but the episode happened the following morning when it wasn't quite as hot.

I still wouldn't rule it out. Heat exhaustion is a gradual thing, not brought on suddenly, so a morning collapse could be possible.

I'd urge for bloods to be taken - although possibly too late now. Stable during hot days and ensure electoryltes are fed. At least then, you can rule out one thing.

And nope, I wouldn't be riding the horse until you knew exactly what was going on - for your own safety more than anything else....
 
Thanks Leflynn, that's good to hear that yours has recovered so well, I think it's a case of see how it goes, and try to keep life generally calm for him (just wish I could tell him that - he is clever, quite bouncy, and sometimes very opinionated chap!)
 
I still wouldn't rule it out. Heat exhaustion is a gradual thing, not brought on suddenly, so a morning collapse could be possible.

I'd urge for bloods to be taken - although possibly too late now. Stable during hot days and ensure electoryltes are fed. At least then, you can rule out one thing.

And nope, I wouldn't be riding the horse until you knew exactly what was going on - for your own safety more than anything else....
Thanks Amymay, we'll see how we get on, looking at the weather forecast it seems like it's going to be a bit cooler for a while, thankfully
 
Good luck with him - really hope it was just a one off.
Thank You:) This is Oli on one of his better behaved days
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Hope he gets well soon. I've never seen a stroke in horses but comparing to humans I would say it sounds exactly like it. Keep in touch with the vet. Keep him on a deep litter and see how he goes after a couple of days. If vet still thinks it's lami, get a second opinion off another vet.
 
Hope he gets well soon. I've never seen a stroke in horses but comparing to humans I would say it sounds exactly like it. Keep in touch with the vet. Keep him on a deep litter and see how he goes after a couple of days. If vet still thinks it's lami, get a second opinion off another vet.
Thank you, he's started being naughty again, so I think he's on the mend;)
 
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