Anyone have to pay YO to have outside instructors on yard ?

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Just wondering if it is the 'norm' to HAVE to pay YO to hire the school if you want to have an outside instructor come in and teach?
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Currently we don't have to and everyone on our yard staggers their lessons not to clash and we all don't mind others riding while we are having a lesson, but rumours are flying round our yard that YO is bringing in a new rule that if you want to have a lesson we are going to have to private hire the school as well ! which means not only will it cost double the price but that we will really start to pee each other off if we want a lesson at a popular time when others want to ride !!!!
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I know YO can bring in what rules she wants but it sounds bit unreasonable to me and just wondered what kind of rules you guys have ???
 
i was at a yard where the YO was a qualified instructor and if you did not have lessons from him you used to be charged £5 half an hour for sole use of school.
 
Up until now no, but an outside instructor is coming in to do a clinic in July and we are being charged £5 each!!
 
Do you have a yard instructor then? And are they any good? I think thats what our YO is trying to do, force us to have her instructor / lady who works at yard but basically 90% of our yard think she is crap and will either leave or arrange to travel elsewhere for lessons !! No way they will have her teach as total waste of time and money! If she was any good people would mind .................
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I'm at livery with my trainer - if we want to bring in someone else we have to pay for the school (i think its £10 for the hour). I think its more because she is the instructor on site and she doesn' want to make it too easy for the competition.

Its fine with me, since i moved there to be with her anyway.
 
I charge my liveries if they wish to bring an outside instructor on the yard. Reason being is that we offer teaching on site so if they wish to use an outside instructor in my arena (which is their perogative at the end of the day) they have to pay a small fee.
At the end of the day the yard is my livelihood. The fairest way may be would be to pass the charge on to the visiting instructor as they are using your premises to earn a living, but this would be difficult to police. Therefore, that is why the hire charge is in place and my liveries accept this and are fine with it.
Remember - there are many yards up and down the country that do not even allow visiting instructors on the yard.
 
Yep, we had to pay for outside instructors to come in at my last yard. They had to have a special card an had to register once they got onto the premises by putting their little card into a reader etc....ridiculous! You didn't really need outside instructors anyway - we had 3 fantastic ones anyway!
Another rule we had was that anybody other than direct family had to pay £4 to come onto the yard - now that IS ridiculous....
 
If we want exclusive use of the sandschool then we have to pay. However I travel to both my dressage and SJ instrucotr as I find it is more of a challenge being away from home and better facilities
 
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I charge my liveries if they wish to bring an outside instructor on the yard. At the end of the day the yard is my livelihood.

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I appreciate that part but the rumour is we'd have to start paying to private hire the school - which is I think about £25 per hour, plus we'd then have to pay our instructor so basically non of us would be able to afford to pay that kind of money ! Plus if others couldn't ride at the same time its a surefire way to cause arguments on a yard where currently I think everyone gets along very well, and its a medium size yard of about 35 stables so I think we are lucky we all get on!

Thing is we have an indoor school so livery prices are already sky high as we pay a premium for the facilities! So people just don't have those kind of spare pennies !!!
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We have our own instructor come & we pay a small fee for private use of the menage/indoor arena or jump field. We try not to have the lesson at a prime time, but if we have to then so be it.
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I agree that £25 is a bit steep. Can you not speak with your yard owner and see what the cost would be if you were willing to "share" the school?
Fortunately at my yard no-one really minds sharing the school if they have a lesson as it is easily big enough!
 
Ladymagoo - nowhere near you !

Vix1978 - if you knew our YO 'speaking to' is impossible! We all currently happily share the school while we have lessons but we think she is going to say we can't and if we have a lesson we have to pay for sole use, which none of us want as we are all happy to have a lesson around other people riding. S'pose will have to wait and see what happens, rumour hasn't been verified yet but everyone seems to know about it before its been made official!
 
Agreed I don't know your YO, but in my experience chinese whispers can often make out the situation to be worse than it is.
I hope that you manage to get something sorted so you can still carry on your lessons
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TBH I would expect to pay small hire fee if I wanted to use the school with an outside instructor, when I was working in a riding school training for my stages, I wanted an I instructor the my boss was an Intermediate instructor, so I had to pay for the I and £10 for hire of school and that was in 1988
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Your just now allowed outside intructors at my yard which I think is fair enough, as I am in a RS livery yard. We have one brilliant AMAZING dressage intructor, then jumping instructor. Then a younger instructor who is also very good. If you book a lesson end of the school is booked you have to look at the white board and fir yourself in gaps.
 
I used to charge my liveries £5 to bring in an outside instructor, because like Vix, my yard was my livelyhood, and also I used my school to teach and people using the school for a lesson with someone else was losing me money as I could of been using it to teach someone if you get me!! It worked out well, basically, the outside instructor put her fee down so they weren't paying anymore. At the end of the day, I'm a freelance instructor, and I need to make money too!!!
 
I love the way you say that your liveries are fine with it...bet if an independent person asked them there might be a different response!
There's a bit of a danger to YO's feeling that they 'know' their customers are satisfied...a few years ago I did research asking the YO what were the good/bad things about their yard...then interviewing the customers....
No correlation at all. The YO's had no idea what customers hated (or really liked, either)!
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I think the practice of banning/charging for outside instructors to come in is a sign of a rotten instructor.
After all, if they were any good, the customers would choose them anyway.
I'm qualified, and I'd be mortified forcing people to have lessons with me..if I knew they'd rather be taught by someone else.
But some people have no shame, I guess!
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Thats the point - the yard instructor is cr*p, and I think she knows people don't like her and we are feeling she is forcing YOs hand to bring in this ruling as she is very very jealous. she goes to various lengths to get people to have her, ie, trying to tell people they are 'messing' up their horse by having other instructors, bad mouthing instructors, etc etc.

If she was good most of us would willing have her. I tried her whent first at yard..... did not get on, didn't get anywhere and horse went to sleep!

Lets just say one very very jealous lady !!!
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She sounds very unprofessional.
Can't do her ego much good if you'd all rather pay shedloads of money to get someone else
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I used to work in a big RS, with a YO who fancied herself as a dressage rider (couldn't ride though, REALLY couldn't ride, failed Stage 1 three times).
Whenever the 'better' clients (dressage competitors etc) booked lessons with me, she'd 'step in' to teach them with her advanced knowledge (she didn't even compete Unaff Prelim).
My flat was next to the school...I had to go out cos I couldn't bear to listen....and all for her ego!
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My liveries can all use my school free of charge - and I charge an outside instructor £5 an hour to use my school as they are using my facilities to earn their living. I have worked long and hard to afford my facilities, why should I let others earn their living from me. The instructor should not pass that on to the client but I have to say many instructors simply increase their price to cover the cost which to my way of thinking is wrong. The client ends up paying twice. but they need to challenge their instructor not me. Also I do ask that the instructor is respectful of my facilities. I do not want them smoking, sitting on the fence, slagging off the liveries, leaving jumps up or not picking poo out of the school and abusing horses. If I see them doing that then then will not be back on the yard again.

If someone wants to use the school who is not a livery they pay £10 an hour. But can only use it outside of the busy times.
 
i allow outside people if they need but must admit we dont really have that problem, funnily enough!!
The rule being that that instructor must be on the days that are in the diary as available.
Mostly the only person that comes to the yard is a jumping trainer and we all join in and have fun!!
 
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