Anyone heard of yard owner wanting sharer to pay for use of facilities

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As title please. If you had 2 horses at a yard and you found a sharer would you expect the yard owner to expect the sharer to pay a weekly fee to use the yard facilities ie. school?

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no, imho your arrangement is with the YO, you pay to be allowed to use everything with your 2 horses (unless you only pay for use of stable and field, of course.). if you ask the sharer for any contribution, that's a totally different arrangement.
 
That is a bit confusing! Do you mean that A is the yrd owner, B is the horse owner and C is the potential sharer. A expects C to pay for use of facilities as well as whatever contribution C may be making to B for the share of the horses?

Never heard of that but if A hires out their school on an hourly basis i can see that they may want extra recompense for the extra use
 
Unless the sharer was needing their own storage space, then no I wouldn't expect a YO to charge.

The livery fee is on a per horses basis, not per person. Although the YO may feel that the school would be used more if a sharer meant that the horse was being ridden more often, it still wouldn't be an excessive amount - at most the horse will be ridden 7 times a week between sharer and owner, whereas just the owner could theoretically ride 7 times a week so I don't see what the issue is?

I would think it was perfectly reasonable of the YO to run through the terms of a livery agreement though, so that the sharer knew the rules and procedures etc.
 
In a word NO!!! If it was a case of charging per person then I wouldn't be paying any livery for the second horse if I were you!!!! After all if it's per person you can only ride one horse at once!! lol!!!
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No, my sharer rode my horse twice a week and used the facilities as she wished. I paid the livery fees so if she hadn't have been riding I would have been doing so anyway!
When I was a sharer I paid the horses owner not the YO, and I've shared at several yard and they all had the same rule. YOs didn't tend to be that nice to me tho, as I wasn't paying them anything
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The owner of the horses pays livery for both horses including unlimited use of the facilities for both horses. Because the sharer will be an 'extra' person on the yard the yard owner thinks that they should pay for using the facilities
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In a word NO!!! If it was a case of charging per person then I wouldn't be paying any livery for the second horse if I were you!!!! After all if it's per person you can only ride one horse at once!! lol!!!
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that is exactly the point though. If there is a sharer both horses could be ridden simultaneously thereby potentially doubling the usage of facilities. Added to this the fact that many yards offer a discount on the second horse partly based on less storage being needed but also on less wear and tear of facilities because you can only ride one at a time
 
I must add though that because the owner has 2 horses the livery is slightly cheaper. I was led to believe that was because of storage space, paddock (turn out together) etc.
 
My old yard owner has got a bee in her bonnet about this at the moment ! Rants along the lines of THIS IS NOT A RIDING SCHOOL ! Think I picked up the brunt of it the other day when exercising my best mates horse for her whilst she was working late. Further rants re insurance paying liveries not being able to get in and use the facilaties etc

I think if you pay your livery bill it doesn't make a diff if its you riding or someone else is, you pay per horse ! Times are hard atm and I think in my ex YO eyes if someone does your jobs in turn for rides its less ££ in her pockets from extra services - she was always very nice when I was paying to be there and I only left as I didn't want my preggers mare in with a herd of 15 other mares which was explained with plenty of notice - but now I don't even get a hello when I pop down to borrow a bit etc from a friend

In the word of the wise money talks !
 
Maybe point out to the YO that an owner with a sharer and two horses will be making no more use of the facilities than two separate owners each with one horse. In fact, they'll possibly use less storage space.
 
Ditto both of Megan2006's comments.

I have three neds - i don't get a discount! In fact at one point I was expected to take up less space in the feed room because some of them should be having the same feed! Needless to say, that did not go down too well lol. If we had a sharer then I'd be somewhat annoyed if the YM/YO expected the sharer to pay anything to them, unless it was for an extra facility that we all paid extra for.
 
I think Mote End Farm charges for sharers (i'm sure its them). I know some yards will charge the livery / sharer if the sharer needs an extra transponder for electric gates, etc, but that seems fair enough.
 
From a totally different angle here, have you considered this may be from an Insurance point of view. ie: When something goes wrong the livery often will rely on the Yo's insurance, therefore the third party is an extra risk for absolutely no recompense whatsoever. Sad, but often true!
 
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I think Mote End Farm charges for sharers (i'm sure its them). I know some yards will charge the livery / sharer if the sharer needs an extra transponder for electric gates, etc, but that seems fair enough.

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It does - I know people there.
£4 (or is it 5) every time someone rides your horse.

People have variously been told that it is to
Stop people trying to run a riding school from the premises
Health and Safety
Insurance
Because other liveries complained the sharers were using the school when they wanted to use it.

There is no more use of the school and facilities if a sharer rides your horse or if you do, you can't ride at the same time.

And if it were me I would be happy to show the yard my insurance policy that covers other people to ride and handle my horse.

Yes if they need an extra pass for the gate then the yard could reasonably ask for something as a one off for every key though assuming they get handed back when you leave, then a deposit would make more sense.

Mind this is the same establishment that charged a car parking fee to someone who rode before work and left their car there intending to pick it up after work.
 
Talk about wanting your cake and eating it. So your YO gets paid the livery from you and then wants to charge your sharer for using those facilities which you pay for?

I think that that is bang out of order.
 
Something I found out the other day is that a yard I used to be at (there is a reason I'm not there any more
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) the very greedy YO has introduced a fee for any horse that has a sharer of + £25 a month !!!!
 
If I were the sharer I would walk away and not look back - I have never heard of this but have always paid the horse owner directly.

I think this is terrible, personally!
 
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Do you think?

I'm not a yard owner so I have no axe to grind on this subject. A good YO, in my opinion, will balance the clientele on their yard according to the facilities available and hope that those customers she has met and discussed terms with will get on with everybody else.

if you throw a sharer into the mix, somebody who doesn't liaise with the YO directly, who may not have been 'vetted' as to suitability, who may not have a contract with the YO, who wants to park another vehicle and avail themselves of the facilities - I can understand the YO being a bit huffy about it and looking for financial compensation.
 
So if the horses owner isn't there, what extra space is being taken up in the car park, if parkings an issue get the sharer to park elswhere, only one person can ride the horse at a time, so the menageri isn't getting extra use either, if the horse is insured for any rider whats the problem, unless the yard owners PL insurance is limited to a set "named" number of individuals it's not an insurance issue either, it's just sheer bloody greed as far as I can see.
 
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No.

You pay the horses livery, who rides him is inconsequential.

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Ditto.
Does YO also think they should get more money if someone ride horse without a contribution,same thing really re using facilities etc
 
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So if the horses owner isn't there, what extra space is being taken up in the car park, if parkings an issue get the sharer to park elswhere, only one person can ride the horse at a time, so the menageri isn't getting extra use either, if the horse is insured for any rider whats the problem, unless the yard owners PL insurance is limited to a set "named" number of individuals it's not an insurance issue either, it's just sheer bloody greed as far as I can see.

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Bang on Pedant. My sharer takes my place a few days a week. Jesus would this YO ask my mum to pay if she rode my horse once a week?? Ridiculous. What about mother and daughter shares - do they have to pay extra too? Utter tripe.

You pay the livery for the horse, per horse, not per human that goes with it.
 
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