LittleBlackMule
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Hill work.. that's an idea, thanks.
Anyone here with Standardbreds?
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rosie fronfelen
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Rosie are you after a 2nd Doonbeg with the Sable Matters foal?
OP - as others have said they will happily trot and canter it's a case of slowing them down and being patient. Mags in my siggy below is still in training but will happily trot round the roads and spent yesterday playing on the gallops alongside one of our TB's happily keeping up while pacing then changing to a gallop once we started jumping ditches and puddles
We're currently arguing over what to do with her when she finishes racing - Dad definitely wants to breed from her, but I want to try and do some ridden work with her as she has gorgeous paces
2nd Doonbeg?is that a standard bred-sorry for my ignorance??hopefully we'll just have the one in spring from our mare or else hubby will have a coronary!!!
Lanky Loll
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Have a look at the 2nd piece on the front page - reading the piece properly I should probably have said Fool Around though...
http://www.bhrc.org.uk/
rosie fronfelen
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funny that- i looked up the same article, so Doonbeg was hell of a horse!all being well, whatever our mare has,Sables owner will be interested in buying it, if not he has many contacts.are you by any chance going to Tregaron this weekend or dont you follow them?
Lanky Loll
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Hi Rosie, we're not going to Tregaron this year unfortunately - the horses haven't been quite right and it's a long trek for us. We'll be at Amman Valley on the Monday all being well. If you're at Tregaron Doonbeg's entered for the Electric Mile on the Thursday - should be a fantastic race.
rosie fronfelen
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i'll be watching it on the box,what are your horses names?how many do you have at Amman valley- dont worry, im not a spy, just someone with interest in the breedings!!!
rosie fronfelen
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wilts/glos border- Ciren way??
Lanky Loll
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Indeed - have PM'd you
gypsy cob
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livingsky
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I have an ex harness racer, Making the cut aka Will. Trainer was going send him to the meat man but I offered to work a few days for free if he gave him to me. Had him just over two years now. First 6 months I turned him away he was so stressed out from training, then we moved to our acreage and I brought him home and just did ground work for the next six months.
Last year he got started under saddle and just took it gently with him. His work on the lunge is very good listens to the voice commands really well and is balanced. One thing I found out and this was from watching them at the track, is that they are hobbled to keep them from breaking into canter and keep the false pace. When they come off the track after the race they jog back to the barn and they evade these hobbles by doing a very short striding wooden jog. This is what Will does when he starts trotting instead of going off in a natural stride, it is really hard to correct.
Will trots great when I can push him forward, but as soon as I ask him to slow down he goes all wooden and does his 'evasive jog'. It's getting better and the canter work is lovely very rocking horse. So my instructor has told me to practice the trot after dropping down from canter instead of walk to trot as that's when we loose it.
I've only loose jumped him as I want him more balanced before we try it under saddle. He has a lot of work ahead of him and unfortunately it won't be me as I have to find a new home for him.
Here's my boy
and if anyone is interested this is his first attempt at jumping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k81V9vo0YLg
Last year he got started under saddle and just took it gently with him. His work on the lunge is very good listens to the voice commands really well and is balanced. One thing I found out and this was from watching them at the track, is that they are hobbled to keep them from breaking into canter and keep the false pace. When they come off the track after the race they jog back to the barn and they evade these hobbles by doing a very short striding wooden jog. This is what Will does when he starts trotting instead of going off in a natural stride, it is really hard to correct.
Will trots great when I can push him forward, but as soon as I ask him to slow down he goes all wooden and does his 'evasive jog'. It's getting better and the canter work is lovely very rocking horse. So my instructor has told me to practice the trot after dropping down from canter instead of walk to trot as that's when we loose it.
I've only loose jumped him as I want him more balanced before we try it under saddle. He has a lot of work ahead of him and unfortunately it won't be me as I have to find a new home for him.
Here's my boy
and if anyone is interested this is his first attempt at jumping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k81V9vo0YLg
Sugarplum Furry
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Livingsky....what a very handsome horse!
A question...I bought a filly from the Dragon driving site a few weeks ago, I've found out that she's out of a standardbred mare by a coloured stallion, bred in Radnor by a Mr Edwards at Kinnerton. Mr Edwards has since passed away, but I'd love to find out more details of her breeding, name of dam and sire etc. She's got the Radnor prefix and was born in June last year. Any ideas how I can delve deeper?
A question...I bought a filly from the Dragon driving site a few weeks ago, I've found out that she's out of a standardbred mare by a coloured stallion, bred in Radnor by a Mr Edwards at Kinnerton. Mr Edwards has since passed away, but I'd love to find out more details of her breeding, name of dam and sire etc. She's got the Radnor prefix and was born in June last year. Any ideas how I can delve deeper?
livingsky
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Do you have anymore details? You can PM me if you like. I like a good mystery and will try and help if I can
LittleBlackMule
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Livinsky - this is just the problem I get with Merlin; if allowed to go his own speed he's not too bad, just a bit flat and heavy in front.
But when asked to slow down it's like he gets wooden legs, it's HORRIBLE to ride! He also gets extremely uneven, especially behind.
When I trot him up for the vet at endurance events, they all think he is unsound. He isn't, I've had him checked out and it's just his way of going, but he really needs to stop it because we're going to be turned away from rides at this rate
But when asked to slow down it's like he gets wooden legs, it's HORRIBLE to ride! He also gets extremely uneven, especially behind.
When I trot him up for the vet at endurance events, they all think he is unsound. He isn't, I've had him checked out and it's just his way of going, but he really needs to stop it because we're going to be turned away from rides at this rate
Mahoganybay
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Livingsky your Standardbred is very similar to mine:
I have managed to trace my mare's breeding via her freezemark, she was born in Denmark out of a Danish mare and her sire was American, her grand sire was the famous Speedy Crown who won the Hambletonian in 1971:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDXYWAtlmzo
I have found out my mare has not raced, but she has definatly been trained to race, not sure why she did not race though.
Another picture, just because i think she is gorgeous:
I have managed to trace my mare's breeding via her freezemark, she was born in Denmark out of a Danish mare and her sire was American, her grand sire was the famous Speedy Crown who won the Hambletonian in 1971:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDXYWAtlmzo
I have found out my mare has not raced, but she has definatly been trained to race, not sure why she did not race though.
Another picture, just because i think she is gorgeous:
livingsky
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Livinsky - this is just the problem I get with Merlin; if allowed to go his own speed he's not too bad, just a bit flat and heavy in front.
But when asked to slow down it's like he gets wooden legs, it's HORRIBLE to ride! He also gets extremely uneven, especially behind.
When I trot him up for the vet at endurance events, they all think he is unsound. He isn't, I've had him checked out and it's just his way of going, but he really needs to stop it because we're going to be turned away from rides at this rate
Did Merlin race? I found lunging really helped with Will, do lots of transitions up and down get him listening to your voice, then try and slow the trot down on the lunge keeping the tempo regular. I click my tongue slowly and then use the voice commands to change the transition, helped loads.
You could practice leading in hand and find a tempo in trot he is comfortable with, probably a bit more forward than normal. I don't know if any of this will help. A lot of it is trial and error with me and I'm still trying to figure it out.
Anyway have to go to bed it's 1.30am here and I've just finished watching the first two episodes of Being Human because Canada is way behind in TV
But if I can be of anymore help then feel free to ask
livingsky
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Livingsky your Standardbred is very similar to mine:
I have managed to trace my mare's breeding via her freezemark, she was born in Denmark out of a Danish mare and her sire was American, her grand sire was the famous Speedy Crown who won the Hambletonian in 1971:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDXYWAtlmzo
I have found out my mare has not raced, but she has definatly been trained to race, not sure why she did not race though.
Another picture, just because i think she is gorgeous:
Very nice!! Don't you just love them.
This is Wills breeding, I managed to get his papers so could trace his breeding right back.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/making+the+cut
Apparently he's well bred but didn't get him anywhere. Although he will try his heart out for you just doesn't have the stamina.
Lanky Loll
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Hi Livingsky
Your horse looks great and good to see you making progress with him.
I will just object to this quote though. The pace isn't false it is a natural gait for the standardbred, they can still canter with hopples on (not hobbles which tie the hind legs together
) the hopples encourage the pace and aid them with balance. But if you've ever watched a standardbred foal in the field you'll see it pacing without ever being handled, and having raced a TB up the gallop on Sunday while riding Mags (below in my siggy) with her quite happily pacing with no hopples on and easily keeping up I don't think you can claim it to be false. Sorry. Hope you have a great future with your horse.
livingsky
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Hi Livingsky
Your horse looks great and good to see you making progress with him.
I will just object to this quote though. The pace isn't false it is a natural gait for the standardbred, they can still canter with hopples on (not hobbles which tie the hind legs together
Hope you have a great future with your horse.
See you learn something new, in Canada they call then hobbles, well actually maybe it is hopples but with their accent it sounds like hobbles. Who knows (who cares!) anyway I don't get involved with the racing anymore. Have nothing against the actual racing, it's afterwards. I'm sure the UK is much different and once the horses racing careers come to an end they bring them down slowly and re-train them and/or find good homes.
Here they most likely get sent to Ontario to be Amish horses and a life of hell. Many end up at the slaughterhouse or left to rot the lucky few make it to nice homes and there are some super charities doing some good work.
Anyway I better go tell Will and all the others I've found homes for that they are doing it wrong that's not there natural pace at all! Mind you he can do a great natural diagonal pace that out runs the others.
Thank you for your insight, oh and I have seen a Standardbred foal he didn't pace when I saw him racing round the paddock, but he could of been having a off day.
rosie fronfelen
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hi Livingsky. they are hobbles, and not all trotters pace, some do trot diagonally.how are your plans going for your big move?
livingsky
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Thanks, the move is going slow, lots to do and plan so probably next May/June we can go.
Lanky Loll
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See we call em hopples with hobbles being for hind legs only - I see Rosie calls them hobbles - each to their own etc.
Some over here don't have a happy ending I'm sure, we try to make sure that ours go to good homes once they finished racing - we know where most of our former horses are and those that we don't, it's because the owners have moved away or have sold on beyond our control.
I don't understand what you meant by this though:
"Anyway I better go tell Will and all the others I've found homes for that they are doing it wrong that's not there natural pace at all! Mind you he can do a great natural diagonal pace that out runs the others."
The pace is an additional gait not instead of - ours all walk, trot, canter, pace, gallop.... and the standardbred isn't the only 5 gaited breed - look at the mustang with it's lope and the icelandic horses which also pace and do something else called the tolt.
I wish we had some video of ours when they were foals but we're not breeding at the moment.
Take care and enjoy your horse.
livingsky
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You seem to be passionate about Standardbreds which I applaud you for, so perhaps we could agree to disagree. There probably is no right or wrong answer to this and I prefer to think I'm a person with an open mind so thank you for telling me to enjoy my horses I hope you enjoy yours too and we shall leave it at that shall we
rosie fronfelen
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sorry Mags, i am twp regarding trotters tack- i just thought hobbles were hobbles- im not into the finer tuning of trotting!!only going by what the locals call---
Lanky Loll
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I think it's just a case of what you're used to on that one Rosie - I've heard them called both, but to me hobbles are where you tie the hind legs together to limit a horses movement / stop it kicking.
I think Livingsky and I are just as she said going to have to agree to disagree about the pace being a natural gait - oh well.
rosie fronfelen
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well, you should know better than me being in the game!!
Lanky Loll
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Well as I said Ive heard them called either (although BHRC says hopples on their site too).
http://www.bhrc.org.uk/about.php
"Why do Pacers wear straps on their legs?
Pacers wear hopples which guide them to their optimum stride length at speed, and help to prevent them breaking."
I'm also often wrong - one of the reasons why I try and check things before I type and back it up as well!!
http://www.bhrc.org.uk/about.php
"Why do Pacers wear straps on their legs?
Pacers wear hopples which guide them to their optimum stride length at speed, and help to prevent them breaking."
I'm also often wrong - one of the reasons why I try and check things before I type and back it up as well!!
JaneyP
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My coloured in my sig is a 3/4 standie !! He has just turned one so still a baby, he was in poor condiiton when i got him but he is the friendliest little man now x
rosie fronfelen
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what a smart standie-they all seem to have friendly attributes. what are your plans for him?
JaneyP
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Hopefully turn him into a nice riding horse, though after watching Horse power the other night i need to teach him some tricks!! Have been practising with Sid the goat who can now shake a paw/foot lol