This is basically what happened- this is an copy and paste from Ben and Jerry's post; ( which would have more info!)
Okay (all theoretically of course) ...
If you had a horse in your care that you wanted to put on loan to a very specific home and advertised it on a 'horses for sale website'
You put up a picture and make it very clear that the horse competed at a major equestrian event the previous year
A user on an internet forum see's this advert and starts a thread to find out who the horse is
A few forum members start trying to find out who the horse is
(I didn't see the thread but am led to believe nothing defamatory was written about the horse or the person who was loaning it)
The thread then disappears
A new thread might possibly be started asking where the disappeared thread was. This new thread was pretty tame and had pretty much fizzled out ....
Loaner of horse then comes on and has a bit of a hissy fit saying that people had absolutely no right to research the horse, try and find out who the horse was and were completely irresponsible
A few people then pointed out that if the horses identity was so sacred then why on earth was it on the internet, with a picture and reference to it's previous competitive CV ....
That thread also disappears
(PS, said horse was still on said website last I looked)
by the poster who was i believe the sanctury. We are apparently all giggly little school girls! Was in the middle of replying when second thread disappeared.
I won't start my rant to them again on this thread as I suspect it will disappear but basically I consider them very naive if they thought posting an ad on multi websites saying a ex 4* horse was now 'rescued' would not draw attention to the ad from far and wide!
They did though mention they have found a loan home for the horse which is suitable for his future career which I'm sure we all agree can only be a good thing.
and i can tell you that i mentioned it to several of the enormous amount of eventers at olympia tonight and they were all really surprised. think if people not want these things discussed should not use the web in the first place.
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and i can tell you that i mentioned it to several of the enormous amount of eventers at olympia tonight and they were all really surprised. think if people not want these things discussed should not use the web in the first place.
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completely agree! The internet afterall is a very dangerous thing!
Now you see I've just been searching around to try to find what all this is about - and I've found it!!
Hurrah!
Is it really Mr Smiffy? It does look a bit like him.......I'd like him on loan. I might phone tomorrow morning to find out..........but then someone above has said they've found him a home. Well there we go.
I think you all miss the point on the harm caused by the original post.
When we take a high profile horse in we do so without the owner ever being named,without the horse being named aprt from to anyone that NEEDS to know and then the loaner has privacy.
Frostytheteapot
Your pointless game has meant a witch hunt.
Do you really think people want thier private business splattered accross the internet ?
We saved the horse from being PTS.
Next time do you think any owner is going to want to risk your posts ?
sorry i don't believe you........................... and IMO pretty inflamtory statement to make aswell
I'm sorry...........
The world doesn't work like this............. you can't stop folks chatting in real life and on internet thing can seem to get magnified............ but this is the nature of the the WWW
I personnel hope the sitution is resolved with the best resolution for animal involved
It's all well and good blaming everyone around you AM, perhaps you should take some responsibilty. There would have been a lot of other ways of rehoming that horse without his name getting splashed across the internet. Instead you put a photo and a description of it on the internet for the world to see ....
Thats how we advertise our horses so we can find the right person. Never before has anyone been so idiotic as to start a thread trying to track it down,
Lots of people phoned for him and other horses and if they were suitable then we discussed particular horses further.
Why should we have to curtail the chance of homing a horse to a good future just in case someone has nothing better to do.
The internet is available to all not just a few people.
We have had top racehorses,Royal welsh winners, quite wonderful animals never before have we had this problem because people generally are just interested in homing a horse for genuine reasons not digging up a name.
echo the above, had you not have said 'been round badminton' and instead just said ex advanced eventer no one would have cared and the threads would never existed. But you did and thats why!
I sugegst you think more carefully about what you post in your adverts the next time you are given such a horse to rehome....
It was important that he attracted the right sort of person.
And what does it matter what was put. No one had any right to invade anyones privacy just because they wanted to.
From the basis of your advert you have said you have a completely sound horse, competed badminton last year, still capable of 3 daying to a high level and needs a pro ....
That most certainly is not the horse that should be open to all...
If he had been with me for rehoming I would have contacted BE and asked them to send a mailshot around and aimed to find him a Junior/YR
If he is indeed not capable of such pursuits anymore (which I suspect but which did not come across in the advert as such) then there was absolutely no need whatsoever to mention Badminton.
I'm afraid I strongly think the buck lies with you on this one.
Agreed. If you state in an advert that a horse has been round Badminton people will naturally be curious as to how the horse ended up on a site like project horses. The advert is still there and the Badminton reference is still in it along with the photo. If the situation is as delicate as you say on here then perhaps it would be best to amend the advert.
the people who are truly at fault are the (former?) owners of the horse, who let him get into such a situation, and whoever decided to have him shot, imho.
all credit to you for saving him, obviously, but saying something as specific as you did in the advertisment (re: Badminton 06) was always going to get people wondering, as it narrowed it down so much. perhaps you could have said "recent 4 star experience", which would have been far vaguer, but honest enough to weed out the kind of people who would not be able to cope with such a horse.
i have no desire to pour petrol on the fire here, i am just attempting to explain why the speculation started, as you seem to believe it was all meant nastily, when in fact i think it was horror and disbelief that such a horse could end up in such a situation, so rapidly. forgive my naivety.
i have done my very best to ensure that he has not been named again on the forum.
i did not name him myself, as i was still unsure as to which horse it was - as you may recall, i did not even ask his name when i spoke to you, as it was not important to me. i was not timewasting, i was genuinely interested in possibly having the horse, as i have the experience, time, patience and facilities to cope with him.
anyway, i hope you find a wonderful permanent home for him, for he deserves it.
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And what does it matter what was put. No one had any right to invade anyones privacy just because they wanted to.
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How is it invading privacy? You put the advert in the public domain. You don't know all of the people on here - what if the thread had been started by someone genuinely interested (and suitable) who wanted to find out a bit more about a horse they had seen advertised - it's hardly an uncommon scenario.
How can you talk about privacy when it's an advert for goodness sake?
Any of us on here might have been interested in having the horse on loan, but would naturally ask why it has ended up being advertised on Project Horses; that would seem to be a sensible way of finding out if it had any issues we might not want to be saddled with.
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No one had any right to invade anyones privacy just because they wanted to.
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i agree they don't
BUT IF YOU posted advert stating something, it's your responsilblty for that information???????
I would expect any decent rider to go and do there search on any horse which has competition record and the higher the competition the more interested people, will be, natually