Anyone willing to assess these hooves please?

[Marigold4]

4 year old, lightly backed is lame on front left. As yet undiagnosed. Vet booked for full investigation. Trimmer has tried hoof testers and no reaction. Would anyone be prepared to assess these hooves and their trim please just to double check its not hoof angle. When its your own horse sometimes it's easy to miss something that's under your nose. He's due for a trim next week. He has long pasterns which may cause him issues.

Left front first, then right, then left hind then right hind.

 

[ester]

they aren't at the right angle for assessment of angles, the camera needs to be flat on the floor and exactly perpendicular to the hoof. There's nothing glaring that would cause a lameness though.

 

[Marigold4]

they aren't at the right angle for assessment of angles, the camera needs to be flat on the floor and exactly perpendicular to the hoof. There's nothing glaring that would cause a lameness though.

Ok thanks for the tip. I will take more and re-post!

 

[stormox]

Look ok to me. I cant see anything to cause lameness. Im assuming he isnt footsore?

 

[Marigold4]

Not footsore. Hoof testers were negative this week. Takes a shorter stride on front left. You can see it most in trot on inside of a lunge circle. It's like he can't swing that leg forward. I'm told most things are in the foot, so I'm starting there but I'm wondering if it's his elbow? Is there such a thing as elbow lameness??

 

[Gloi]

Hard to tell from the photos but are the front hooves a matching pair? One looks longer/more sloping than the other in though may just be an illusion.

 

[HappyHollyDays]

Lovely set of heel bulbs and frogs on those feet.

 

[Marigold4]

Ok so here's hopefully a better set of photos, following Ester's suggestion and an extra of his front legs. He's weighting himself slightly to the right.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Long toes.

Barefoot trimmer?

 

[Marigold4]

Yes, I did think long toes too but wondered what others thought. The weird thing is he doesn't leave long toes on my other horses and vet has complimented his trim on those others.

 

[ycbm]

Is he landing heel first? .

 

[Tiddlypom]

My now sacked barefoot trimmer trimmed one mare fine, the IDx, but make a real mess of the other two with Tb type feet.

 

[Marigold4]

Maybe they just can't cope with that type of foot, although his mum is one of my others and she is a Primitive Rising mare so lots of TB too. Am I right in thinking that because he has long sloping pasterns, long toe will not help him at all?

He is landing flat. I have taken film of him trotting up on the road and slowed it down to check.

 

[Marigold4]

Lovely set of heel bulbs and frogs on those feet.

Thank you! They look great from underneath, don't they?

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

His toes look long to me too, especially on the front feet

 

[Marigold4]

Thank you. That's really helpful.

Rather dreading having a conversation with with trimmer though. Difficult to question a professional's judgement.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Am I right in thinking that because he has long sloping pasterns, long toe will not help him at all?

Your are right. Your trimmer should have been well aware of that, too. I remember from your earlier posts that you use an EPA trimmer, so did I .

Not a great recommendation for that qualification.

 

[Marigold4]

Anyone know how to fix this? Would it take a number of trims? What sort of time scale?

 

[ihatework]

They look like fundamentally good feet. I’d want the front toes noticeably shorter personally .

Toe length could easily be a red herring for current lameness. Worth getting the vet still

 

[ester]

Much better photos well done! and it shows as you really don't see those toes in the first set.

Landing videos are best taken at the walk, they are more inclined to be heelfirst the faster they are going so if he's only flat at trot that would concern me a bit, because on the basis of the back of his hooves he should be fine to land heel first.

Trimming wise I wouldn't think it would take much to bring them back but I have only ever trimmed my own. I'd be concerned if I had a trimmer that wasn't discussing that with me.

 

[Marigold4]

They look like fundamentally good feet. I’d want the front toes noticeably shorter personally .

Toe length could easily be a red herring for current lameness. Worth getting the vet still

Thank you for your input. That's useful to know you agree. Vet still coming, physio booked and contact made with Tom Beech. I don't think his feet are right, but the lameness is higher up I think.

 

[ycbm]

Maybe they just can't cope with that type of foot, although his mum is one of my others and she is a Primitive Rising mare so lots of TB too. Am I right in thinking that because he has long sloping pasterns, long toe will not help him at all?

He is landing flat. I have taken film of him trotting up on the road and slowed it down to check.

I would want to see it in walk, where flat is not really good enough in a horse which has never been shod, he really should be heel first.
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[Marigold4]

Much better photos well done! and it shows as you really don't see those toes in the first set.

Landing videos are best taken at the walk, they are more inclined to be heelfirst the faster they are going so if he's only flat at trot that would concern me a bit, because on the basis of the back of his hooves he should be fine to land heel first.

Trimming wise I wouldn't think it would take much to bring them back but I have only ever trimmed my own. I'd be concerned if I had a trimmer that wasn't discussing that with me.

Well, I'm probably not the best at judging hoof landing.can I PM you a video of walk?

 

[Marigold4]

I would want to see it in walk, where flat is not really good enough in a horse which has never been shod, he really should be heel first.
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Can I PM you a video in walk?

 

[Polos Mum]

I'm no expert but take a google of barefoot short toes. They do look really short when you aren't used to seeing them look like that.

 

[ester]

yup crack on, from low down again

 

[ycbm]

Can I PM you a video in walk?

Absolutely. Camera down in the dirt, please and walk the horse past it.

 

[Marigold4]

I'm no expert but take a google of barefoot short toes. They do look really short when you aren't used to seeing them look like that.

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[Marigold4]

Thanks, that's really useful. He's the middle one, isn't he.

I need to have an awkward convo with trimmer. I did mention it last trim, but he dismissed the idea.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

I'm no expert but take a google of barefoot short toes. They do look really short when you aren't used to seeing them look like that.

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And there is an unbroken line down the pastern and the hoof to the toe, which there isn't in your photos, OP.