magic104
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we don't want our stallions damaging by aggressive mares = Not just mares, stallions who do not know their job are not the best for maiden mares & cause their own problems.
AP & HG's big day out to the Equine Fertility Unit...
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ouzebeck
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My mare may have been agressive round the stallion but she is not at any other time and as i have no intentions of ever selling her foal i will not need to have her covered again.
AndyPandy
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It really is incredible what science is unravelling and undertsand your passion for being part of the research. I do also understand however why so much controversy is raised though, the arguement I guess would be well if it its infertile it can't and wont ever do any harm or propogate to an extent that it will. I guess thats whats meant by natural selection.
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I can see this point, of course. But it takes two to tango, and helping a subfertile animal to breed will not necessarily produce offspring with the same fertility traits. Things like this need to be monitored, but the more we learn about it the better we are able to deal with subfertility and infertility.
The main purpose of AI is not to allow infertile animals to breed, anyway; it's for safety, disease control, ease of breeding (esp over distance) etc. Helping "infertile" animals to breed is the purpose of ICSI and related technologies, which should (and can, due to the cost which is preventative in most cases) be used only in exceptional circumstances.
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What advantages do you feel there are knowing this? I guess colts could be gelded at a much earlier age, avoiding owners the costs incurred of producing a stallion, any others? TIA
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Well, the main advantages of knowing which genes are related to which phyical characteristic are: Detection, Prevention & Treatment.
Infertility and subfertility-causing genes can be screened for in animals of any age to see if those genes are being carried, and/or are causing fertility problems (detection). If these genes are found, then you can potentially remove the animal from the gene pool by not breeding it, or make sure you only breed it to animals that have "better" genes (prevention). Understanding the physiology and mechanics of infertility and subfertility allow us to create drug treatments that can improve fertility in animals carrying "infertile" genes (treatment).
It really is incredible what science is unravelling and undertsand your passion for being part of the research. I do also understand however why so much controversy is raised though, the arguement I guess would be well if it its infertile it can't and wont ever do any harm or propogate to an extent that it will. I guess thats whats meant by natural selection.
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I can see this point, of course. But it takes two to tango, and helping a subfertile animal to breed will not necessarily produce offspring with the same fertility traits. Things like this need to be monitored, but the more we learn about it the better we are able to deal with subfertility and infertility.
The main purpose of AI is not to allow infertile animals to breed, anyway; it's for safety, disease control, ease of breeding (esp over distance) etc. Helping "infertile" animals to breed is the purpose of ICSI and related technologies, which should (and can, due to the cost which is preventative in most cases) be used only in exceptional circumstances.
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What advantages do you feel there are knowing this? I guess colts could be gelded at a much earlier age, avoiding owners the costs incurred of producing a stallion, any others? TIA
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Well, the main advantages of knowing which genes are related to which phyical characteristic are: Detection, Prevention & Treatment.
Infertility and subfertility-causing genes can be screened for in animals of any age to see if those genes are being carried, and/or are causing fertility problems (detection). If these genes are found, then you can potentially remove the animal from the gene pool by not breeding it, or make sure you only breed it to animals that have "better" genes (prevention). Understanding the physiology and mechanics of infertility and subfertility allow us to create drug treatments that can improve fertility in animals carrying "infertile" genes (treatment).
AndyPandy
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Hi.interesting topic...but english please?? not everyone has the benefits of degrees in double dutch.or am I too to be ridiculed now???
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When you say "english please??", just let us know what terms you're not familiar with and I'm sure someone will give you a clearer answer/definition
Hi.interesting topic...but english please?? not everyone has the benefits of degrees in double dutch.or am I too to be ridiculed now???
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When you say "english please??", just let us know what terms you're not familiar with and I'm sure someone will give you a clearer answer/definition
genie
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Familiar with a lot of terms but always found it rude when in mixed company for some people to deliberately use words that many people don't understand. This is supposed to be a learning forum is it not??.seems to me that its just full of bitchy"experts"
also makes me wonder what sort of person feels the need to show off terms learned and then come with some new found knowledge and try and impress a lot of the kids who also come here to learn..think Esther Ranzsten had a good term for this.called people who did this jobsworths.
I came here for information. Didn't find anything like what I was looking for..seems the place is full of over sized egos..........it is supposed to be a breeding forum, is it not??
the best teachers are those who evaluate their students and put information in a way that can be easily and best understood.....found your posts too complicated and didn' t make much sense..and I am not a kid and have a fairly good knowledge of breeding horses....so maybe you are not a teacher then?.also found your post to me patronising.mine to you was a simple request.
also makes me wonder what sort of person feels the need to show off terms learned and then come with some new found knowledge and try and impress a lot of the kids who also come here to learn..think Esther Ranzsten had a good term for this.called people who did this jobsworths.
I came here for information. Didn't find anything like what I was looking for..seems the place is full of over sized egos..........it is supposed to be a breeding forum, is it not??
the best teachers are those who evaluate their students and put information in a way that can be easily and best understood.....found your posts too complicated and didn' t make much sense..and I am not a kid and have a fairly good knowledge of breeding horses....so maybe you are not a teacher then?.also found your post to me patronising.mine to you was a simple request.
AndyPandy
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Familiar with a lot of terms but always found it rude when in mixed company for some people to deliberately use words that many people don't understand. This is supposed to be a learning forum is it not??.seems to me that its just full of bitchy"experts"
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Well, it is a discussion forum. And part of the point of discussion is learning. But learning requires that you gain new knowledge... so if there is a term that you don't understand, make it clear, and then it can be explained - it's part of the learning process. No-one is here to lecture or teach others, we're here to discuss, and if people wish to learn from the discussions or join in then that is an additional beneficial outcome.
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also makes me wonder what sort of person feels the need to show off terms learned and then come with some new found knowledge and try and impress a lot of the kids who also come here to learn...
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Using words isn't really showing off... I think perhaps some people are just more vocabularate than others.
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I came here for information. Didn't find anything like what I was looking for..seems the place is full of over sized egos..........it is supposed to be a breeding forum, is it not??
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Again, it's a discussion forum, not an encyclopedia. We are lucky enough to have a number of knowledgeable people who can help to answer questions or make suggestions. Ask a question, and see where you get to.
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the best teachers are those who evaluate their students and put information in a way that can be easily and best understood.....found your posts too complicated and didn' t make much sense..and I am not a kid and have a fairly good knowledge of breeding horses....so maybe you are not a teacher then?.also found your post to me patronising.mine to you was a simple request.
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I take care to make sure my posts do make sense. Sorry you're not happy with the way they're written, but perhaps you could just ask for clarification, as opposed to taking offense and launching into a personal attack?
Familiar with a lot of terms but always found it rude when in mixed company for some people to deliberately use words that many people don't understand. This is supposed to be a learning forum is it not??.seems to me that its just full of bitchy"experts"
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Well, it is a discussion forum. And part of the point of discussion is learning. But learning requires that you gain new knowledge... so if there is a term that you don't understand, make it clear, and then it can be explained - it's part of the learning process. No-one is here to lecture or teach others, we're here to discuss, and if people wish to learn from the discussions or join in then that is an additional beneficial outcome.
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also makes me wonder what sort of person feels the need to show off terms learned and then come with some new found knowledge and try and impress a lot of the kids who also come here to learn...
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Using words isn't really showing off... I think perhaps some people are just more vocabularate than others.
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I came here for information. Didn't find anything like what I was looking for..seems the place is full of over sized egos..........it is supposed to be a breeding forum, is it not??
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Again, it's a discussion forum, not an encyclopedia. We are lucky enough to have a number of knowledgeable people who can help to answer questions or make suggestions. Ask a question, and see where you get to.
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the best teachers are those who evaluate their students and put information in a way that can be easily and best understood.....found your posts too complicated and didn' t make much sense..and I am not a kid and have a fairly good knowledge of breeding horses....so maybe you are not a teacher then?.also found your post to me patronising.mine to you was a simple request.
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I take care to make sure my posts do make sense. Sorry you're not happy with the way they're written, but perhaps you could just ask for clarification, as opposed to taking offense and launching into a personal attack?
Wishful
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The difficulty is that when discussing science with fellow experts, you HAVE to use the exact term - there is nothing less technical that will do instead - and it can lead to misunderstandings. Better to use the exact term and explain later IMO - less risk of confusion between experts.
AndyPandy is a reseach scientist - his day to day vocab will be very different from mine (lawyer). He might have some commonality with my OH (vet) who often loses me. I lose him (Admittedly to snoring!) I've tried (and failed) to understand lots of words in his professional journals - I'm nosy, and vet stuff is interesting - but you can usually get the gist - also means I've got more chance when he and colleagues talk shop down the pub!
In conversations, that is easy - you can see the blank look and explain the relevant concept, on line, you don't know which term of art/technical term is causing the problem.
AndyPandy is a reseach scientist - his day to day vocab will be very different from mine (lawyer). He might have some commonality with my OH (vet) who often loses me. I lose him (Admittedly to snoring!) I've tried (and failed) to understand lots of words in his professional journals - I'm nosy, and vet stuff is interesting - but you can usually get the gist - also means I've got more chance when he and colleagues talk shop down the pub!
In conversations, that is easy - you can see the blank look and explain the relevant concept, on line, you don't know which term of art/technical term is causing the problem.
pocomoto
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I have had to deal with scientific and different professional terminologies regularly for many years and have to summarise and draw inferences from their written and verbal conversations. I am not a trained scientist but whingeing and taking it all personally would not get me very far! I have learnt to gather context around words, phrases and abbreviations I am unfamiliar with and if all else fails I google it! Or try http://www.wikipedia.org/, you will learn more looking it up and researching it yourself than getting angry with everyone else because they dont write in the most simplistic fashion.
Id hate to put anyone off posting more complex theories here as how am I going to learn any more if its written over simply because some chose not to try and follow the thread or ask politely for it to be put differently.
Id hate to put anyone off posting more complex theories here as how am I going to learn any more if its written over simply because some chose not to try and follow the thread or ask politely for it to be put differently.
MissMay
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I know this is an old thread I did a forum search for AI tech. Just out of curiosity how did APs mobile lab turn out?
Great idea and hope it was a success
Great idea and hope it was a success