Apparently I am cruel! Discuss

sussexbythesea said:
Glad I'm not your pet then! Why don't you designate them other homes with friends or relatives instead? My will leaves money in trust for my animals and my trusted relatives are charged to find them good homes or if necessary PTS. Its not a blanket PTS. After all I could die tomorrow and at the moment I have 1 basically healthy lovely horse and two healthy house-trained cats.

At the risk of been beaten over the head - some of you to be pretty quick off the mark having your pets put down for no other reason than you think you are the only person in the world that could offer a good home.

Many of you have taken on rescues from rescue homes I've had rescues and yet you wouldn't want your animals to be given the chance of a new and loving home? Being in a centre for a time isn't ideal but its not necessarily the end of the world.

If the animal is very old, sick or has problems that someone is unlikely to want to deal with then fair enough but blanket PTS is a bit harsh.
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Well said!
I provide my 4 horses and my dog and bunny with a good home, but I am not the only one in the world that can do this, and for me to think I can is more than slightly over inflating my own ego!
I would be incredibly selfish to expect my animals to lose their lives because I lost mine, the thought horrifies me. They mean the world to me, and to kill them for no reason other than I'm no longer there to care for them is morally abhorant in my view.
Much better to ensure you're closest family and relatives are aware of your wishes, to have explored the options prior to death, to have money set aside etc.

Having animals put into sales is another matter and I'm not sure what way I'd go with that.
But a rescue centre? Hell yeah, there are 4 ponies are my yard from world horse welfare, they have a wonderful home with 3 girls who absolutely adore them and dote on them day in day out - they sure as hell wouldn't have thanked you for killing them!! x
 
I'm in 2 minds about this. We have 5 rescue cats and have always found the rescue places we have been to have done a very good job of looking after them.

Last year when we were looking for a rescue cat, we spotted a 14 year old diabetic cat in poor condition. Being a bit soft we took her as well as the cat we went to see, thinking that we would give her a home for her last few weeks/months. A year and a half later she is still with us, very happy and in very good shape. At the time I thought it would have been far better if her owner had had her pts, but seeing how she is now, I'm glad they gave her a chance. We went to the home yesterday to pick up her insulin and had a look around. There were several other older cats with health problems and a couple of them had reserved tags so there are more mugs like us around!

I guess it depends on the animal and what special needs they have. I can't imagine parting with any of my cats, but if I had to I would probably have my old boy (17 with arthritis) pts and our incontinent cat as I'm not sure anyone would take him on. The others, I would want to give a chance of a home.
 
Rache said:
Im in a situation atm, where's my partner has left me and i cant afford the rent by myself. Now he's been good and been paying paying it for the last 2months. The rent is £950, i earn £750, as "pocket money" , so no way i can afford the rent myself, plus a horse. I had been with my ex for 9yrs. Now he's moved, cant take the cats. And i have taken on extra work, plus ex is going to pay current rent till i find some where but not long term. Now ive been looking since we spilt and so far havnt found anything that is suitable, in budget or the ones i have found the landlord has choosen someone else over me, at the end of the day why would you rent to a 23yr old, single partner with cats, when you could rent your house out to a married couple, no kids, no cats?
So here's the problem i have, my cats have a home for life with me, and id do what ever it takes to keep them feed, healthy and lovingly looked after. Atm it looks like i may "sudders" no offence to anyone what so ever, but i may have to go into council housing; this is not the plan as i feel that i can afford a house on my own but with no where to move to and a short fall in money on my current house it maybe the only option.
But this means that i "may" have to go in a b&b or however it all works out somewhere where for a temp amount of time, i may not be able to take my cats with me. So Do i give them away? Put them up in a cattery for a month or 2? give them to the cats protection?
Bloodly men, we were supposed to married and everything, thats my plans ruined. And yes before anyone starts horse, kid and cats have the best of everything, all insuranced, plus a i have a emergcy pot just in case.
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Im sorry to say but your comment on council housing does cause offence as some people who do need council housing can be on waiting lists for many years, and yet you say you feel you can afford other housing but council housing may be your only option at the moment.
It may be differant in your area but around here people have been known to have to wait ten years plus for council housing.
Sorry but I feel very strongly that people who really need council housing should get it above people who can afford other housing.
I also get angry when people seem to look down on people who live in council housing.
 
itsmylife said:
Im sorry to say but your comment on council housing does cause offence as some people who do need council housing can be on waiting lists for many years, and yet you say you feel you can afford other housing but council housing may be your only option at the moment.
It may be differant in your area but around here people have been known to have to wait ten years plus for council housing.
Sorry but I feel very strongly that people who really need council housing should get it above people who can afford other housing.
I also get angry when people seem to look down on people who live in council housing.
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Definitely. Sorry I may be mercinary but anyone who can afford to keep a horse should not get council housing. Horses are not a necessity but a luxury and taxpayers should not be subsidising any luxuries.
 
No your not cruel and I agree with you to a certain extent. However, if the animal that you are considering sending to a re-homing centre is elderly or has severe behavioural or health problems, you have to consider, will anyone actually want to re-home your animal when they could possibly have one without these problems? In this case I think, it may be kinder to put these animals to sleep.

Some elderly animals are often put into homes and people adopt them for them only to live for years afterwards though so careful consideration would need to be taken into account regarding these cases.

If possible though, I think rescue centres are often a better pot of call as opposed to selling, especially if the animal is elderly or is not able to be ridden anymore etc, as the centre makes frequent checks on all of their animals loaned out. My friend adopted a horse from the WHW as a companion for her competition horse once her parents moved to a house with stables and land and they come over frequently just to check up on her and make sure she is happy and healthy.
 
Sorry if I repeat what anyone has said, I skim read the posts (I've just woken up and it appears my brain has yet to be properly switched on)

I agree with you, but only if you think the animal would find it difficult to be re-homed. For example Ginny could get a loving home in next to no time, she's a chunky cob with a heart of gold. Same with my cats, Bailey and Casper. If someone saw them in a rescue centre they would pic them right away becuase they are Bengals are fairly 'wow' looking cats. I wouldn't put them to sleep, becuase I know they will find a loving, happy home to live in. If it were Vision though I think you would have to. I mean, who would want a 21/22 year old TB ex-racer, who can't be trusted with anything, won't keep weight on and can never be ridden or worked due to her fractured shoulder. I don't think you could give her away.... sorry girl :o

I think it is extremely un-selfish if anything.
 
Problem with resue centres, especially equine ones is that PTS in these circs is what they are advising as they are so full.

OP, I agree with you. I have 2 retired horses, if anything happens to me they will be PTS as will my 2 terriers who are both elderly. Not fair to try and rehome them IMHO. At the moment the rottie can be rehomed with friends but who's to say that that will still be the case in a few years as he ages.

My animals are my responsibility and if, for whatever reason I can't keep them properly then sometimes tough decisions have to be made for their benefit. Obviously other options not just PTS would be looked at but you have to be realistic especially when times are as tough as they are now.
 
itsmylife said:
Im sorry to say but your comment on council housing does cause offence as some people who do need council housing can be on waiting lists for many years, and yet you say you feel you can afford other housing but council housing may be your only option at the moment.
It may be differant in your area but around here people have been known to have to wait ten years plus for council housing.
Sorry but I feel very strongly that people who really need council housing should get it above people who can afford other housing.
I also get angry when people seem to look down on people who live in council housing.
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I think that's a bit harsh! I read the post as that Rache has a child which would automatically bring her up the housing list and by being unable to find private rentals might have to use the council system. That's actually what council housing is intended for! Plenty of people who live in council houses have horses and why shouldn't they?
 
I didnt say people who live in council properties should not have horses, that was not my point at all.
the comment was 'I may have to move in to council property shudders'
This comment makes me angry as it implies there is something wrong with people who live in council propery.
Also, she says she feels she can afford other accomadation. Due to the very long waiting list for council housing these days she should count herself lucky if she gets accomadation not 'Shudder' because she has to move in to it.
There are people who have to wait many many years to get a council property these days and It really annoys me that council house tenants get looked down on.
yes there are some anti social people in council accomadation as there are in private, I just cant stand such snobbish arrogant remarks.
 
itsmylife said:
Im sorry to say but your comment on council housing does cause offence as some people who do need council housing can be on waiting lists for many years, and yet you say you feel you can afford other housing but council housing may be your only option at the moment.
It may be differant in your area but around here people have been known to have to wait ten years plus for council housing.
Sorry but I feel very strongly that people who really need council housing should get it above people who can afford other housing.
I also get angry when people seem to look down on people who live in council housing.
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I do not look down at people in council housing at all, I personally feel that if i could find a house to rent, i could afford it, on my own no partner. The problem i have is that i cant find a house to rent, ive beening looking for ages for a priavte rent and they are like hot cakes around by me. Most of the houses are rented within a few hours of going on the market. When the local paper comes out i tend to ring around the ads around 8.30 am! and on more than one time the house has already been rented or had 15+ phone calls at 8.30 in the morning. When you get houses that have 40+ phone calls landlords can choose to be picky
so what am i to do, theres no private rents, cant afford to buy, council houses by me are quite rough, theres alot of drugs in my area and the houses just arent looked after. Ok so the council is trying to improve the housing situation by building new houses or doing some up they get resevered rightly so for current proven tentants. but then new tentants get the scaps.
Ive always worked and paid my own way, so sorry i feel a little let down by myself for not being able to provide my family and animals with a home, thats all that i was saying, maybe i didnt quite it in the right words.
And yes the council list is long, so im more than likely to stay in a b&b and not even get to the stage of having an council house. In my view council houses should be a temp measure until people can find other suitable houses, ive got friends that bring in £30,000 and £19,000 as a partnership and live in a council house because the rent is £380 per month, and they choose to spend there money on hoildays, clothes and cars. Ok they needed a council house at first but now i feel it's time for them to move on, so the council can offer someone else support. And btw my friends are in a new build in a ok-nice part of town have one child and have a 3bed. You cant tell me thats right
 
itsmylife said:
I didnt say people who live in council properties should not have horses, that was not my point at all.
the comment was 'I may have to move in to council property shudders'


Shuddering at the thought of living in a b&b, not having a roof over my head, up heaving a 5yr old aroud, putting cats somewhere. Not council housing people, shuddering at the system, which does not work. I need housing as a temp measure not as a long term one, and as soon as i get myself on my feet and can find somewhere private i will give up my b&b room so someone else will have somewhere to go. And not take anything that i feel im not entiled to!
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Happy Horse said:
Definitely. Sorry I may be mercinary but anyone who can afford to keep a horse should not get council housing. Horses are not a necessity but a luxury and taxpayers should not be subsidising any luxuries.
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Sorry me again, i now work 48 hours a week, not see much of my horse, child etc to try and keep my current roof over my head put still i dont have to pay the huge rent my ex has left me with. Ive got to move, its not fair that ive seen my son less than 2hrs a day, horse hasnt been riding all week, got my mum over doing horse, cats and kid, all i want is a little house around £500 a month and i would be fine, but you find me one and ill come and kiss your hand, but i think you would have a hard job.
Ohh and it doesnt help that i have bad credit (from being young and stupid) and cant rent though a agent
Good luck
 
Rache said:
itsmylife said:
I didnt say people who live in council properties should not have horses, that was not my point at all.
the comment was 'I may have to move in to council property shudders'


Shuddering at the thought of living in a b&b, not having a roof over my head, up heaving a 5yr old aroud, putting cats somewhere. Not council housing people, shuddering at the system, which does not work. I need housing as a temp measure not as a long term one, and as soon as i get myself on my feet and can find somewhere private i will give up my b&b room so someone else will have somewhere to go. And not take anything that i feel im not entiled to!
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My point was that it sounded as though you were shuddering at the thought of council housing. Im sorry if I misunderstood but it does make me angry when people look down on council housing.
you are quite right in saying that the system is wrong and I know people who are in council accomadation and could easily afford private. This is one reason there is such a long waiting list.
I have been in a position like yours and I know how hard it is, which is why I get angry when it sounds like people look down on council housing.

Have you thought of putting your own wanted ad in the paper? It may be a long shot but you never know.
Also you could try the CAB.Good luck.
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I have already alked to my OH that if anything happens to me and he can't cope with 2 labs, a cat and a pony he is to have them PTS. Obviously the cat would be no problem or the dogs come to that. He is not horsey and would have to rely heavily on my friends to do the right thing by my pony. That is all very well in theory but they have their own lives to lead. My boy is 19 and I wouldn't want him passed from pillar to post.
 
It's good if you have friends or relatives that will take them on, but what if you have relatives like mine non horsey or animal minded. Story in news several years ago about little JR left with trust fund, to keep her and what was left of trust fund when she died went to who was looking after her,they had her pts,saying she was stressed out and couldn't settle since losing her late owner,they collected £250,000. Even your will can be objected too.
 
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Completely agree with the OP. My old horse (29, retired, not a good companion, has to have indiv turnout, stabled over winter, lots of feed, special shoeing, etc) would definitely be PTS if I couldn't keep her. She would be very difficult, if not impossible, to re-home. I might consider a rescue centre, but in all honesty, with places so few and far between, I think these are better saved for more needy cases (neglected horses, or young ones who stand a chance of finding a permanent loan home through the centre).

My old cat would also be PTS - she needs daily medication and can be very aggressive (my mum still has the scars, 10 years on!). It wouldn't be fair to put her into a rescue centre where she would stand little chance of being re-homed.

Young cat and puppy would find homes easily enough, so I would try to find homes for them, or ask a rescue centre to take them on (as they have home checks in place already so could probably secure a better home than I could).

That said, I would discuss with friends and family before making any decisions, as someone may be able to offer a home to one or more of the animals (especially the "house" animals) - that would be the ideal! But I wouldn't expect it, so I have a backup plan in mind.
 
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