Appleby Fair

tessybear said:
It's fine you don't have to own her nor would i expect everyone to love her, she is my horse ;)

And in regards to your above comment, Frankly i don't give two
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I wasn't criticising your horse I was merely pointing out her origins, and trust me I have NEVER lost sleep over anyone's opinion of me.
As I am sure you can see I am eloquent (although not always pleasant ;) ) and educated and I abhor the notion that my friends and relatives are being spoken about in this vitriolic manner.
Again I refer to my comment of previous about calling all muslims terrorists.
 
Baggybreeches said:
I wasn't criticising your horse I was merely pointing out her origins, and trust me I have NEVER lost sleep over anyone's opinion of me.
As I am sure you can see I am eloquent (although not always pleasant ;) ) and educated and I abhor the notion that my friends and relatives are being spoken about in this vitriolic manner.
Again I refer to my comment of previous about calling all muslims terrorists.
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I never said ALL were the same, some of the gypsies round here are fab, slow down out hacking always compliment tess, and say morning. Others have caused damage to local livery yards multiple times.

You get the good and bad wherever you look and respect that. Im not sure where you thought i had declared every gypsy was horrible :o but i apologise if that's how it came across.
 
Baggybreeches said:
I wasn't criticising your horse I was merely pointing out her origins, and trust me I have NEVER lost sleep over anyone's opinion of me.
As I am sure you can see I am eloquent (although not always pleasant ;) ) and educated and I abhor the notion that my friends and relatives are being spoken about in this vitriolic manner.
Again I refer to my comment of previous about calling all muslims terrorists.
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Please tell me, did you really find the man standing on the horses head to submerge it into the river acceptable?
 
justabob said:
I agree with you Bb, Animal Aid is not normally my friend and they have waited to get the unpleasant side of the chaos at Appleby. But you can not be under any illusion that it never happens, it is on film. I can assure you I am neither hypocritical or ignorant. I live here among it and you just visit.
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I didn't say it never happens, but I have seen equally cruel things in dressage/showing/show jumping yards (not to say it doesn't happen in other disciplines but this is MY FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE) and I would quite happily PM you a list of abusers who are/were feted by H&H amongst others. The video I have seen doing the rounds is from 2009. I am absolutely honoured that so many horses look so magnificent this year after the shocking summer and subsequent winter(baring in mind they mostly live out all year round), I know my sheep look bloody awful in comparison to previous years so each magnificent horse you see this week and next is due to damn good horsemanship care and effort!
 
As a local, as to whether I'm for or against the fair, the aspects that I could do with out are the thieving, the mess (honestly the litter left everywhere in the surrounding area is horrendous - what's the problem with using bins?) and the lack of respect for locals who are trying to go about their daily life - not by all, but by quite a few! Not to mention the Welfare issues that definitely are present at the fair.

On the positive side I like the tradition - where the fair came from and what it stands for - lots of locals do love it for the colour it brings to the area - equally though loads dread it.

I think it's naive to think that things could remain as an idyllic rural gypsy caravan gathering. Every aspect of society changes, not always for the good. I guess I'm trying to tactfully say that I don't like the more yobbish and unsavoury sides of the modern fair, but then I don't like that side of going out in Newcastle for an evening either! ( think I'm getting old!)

I also think it would be impossible, impractical and perhaps a shame to ban it - the travellers would just keep coming; rather than go on Fairhill, they would just congregate in the surrounding countryside as they do prior to the fair and potentially cause more problems. I agree totally that there are welfare issues everywhere behind closed doors - just in this case, they are on the roadside for all to see.
 
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So drowning a horse is ok by you then BB? Or are you going to deny that happened? Quite sickening I'm afraid. Roll out another excuse why don't you...
 
Hedgewitch13 said:
So drowning a horse is ok by you then BB? Or are you going to deny that happened? Quite sickening I'm afraid. Roll out another excuse why don't you...
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Sorry I didn't answer that earlier (blame the rose!).

No. Drowning a horse is not acceptable, EVER! I do believe the guy in question was dealt with (officially and unofficially) but that is one specific incident amongst hundreds of horses. I personally think that the livery yard mafioso are far more neglectful in their abundant over-rugging/over-feeding/under-working and general ignorance of their horses. I can not honestly put my hand on my heart and say I have never done something I later regretted with my horses/ponies over the years, but that's called learning the very hard way.
 
If you have a look at www.cumbriacrack.com the vehicle that crashed had failed to stop for police and then crashed into a bus causing injuries. There are no details of the driver made public yet. Another news story on the site is that there have already been 20 arrests made for conspiracy to cause GBH.
 
pootleperkin said:
As a local, as to whether I'm for or against the fair, the aspects that I could do with out are the thieving, the mess (honestly the litter left everywhere in the surrounding area is horrendous - what's the problem with using bins?) and the lack of respect for locals who are trying to go about their daily life - not by all, but by quite a few! Not to mention the Welfare issues that definitely are present at the fair.

On the positive side I like the tradition - where the fair came from and what it stands for - lots of locals do love it for the colour it brings to the area - equally though loads dread it.

I think it's naive to think that things could remain as an idyllic rural gypsy caravan gathering. Every aspect of society changes, not always for the good. I guess I'm trying to tactfully say that I don't like the more yobbish and unsavoury sides of the modern fair, but then I don't like that side of going out in Newcastle for an evening either! ( think I'm getting old!)

I also think it would be impossible, impractical and perhaps a shame to ban it - the travellers would just keep coming; rather than go on Fairhill, they would just congregate in the surrounding countryside as they do prior to the fair and potentially cause more problems. I agree totally that there are welfare issues everywhere behind closed doors - just in this case, they are on the roadside for all to see.
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I totally agree, and quite honestly having visited Liverpool Womens Hospital for a meeting earlier in the week, I can guarantee I am probably as much of a snob as anyone else, the dregs of society aren't all in your back yard (even if it seems like it!).
And before anyone jumps on me for being anti Liverpool I am definitely not ( I am Liverpool born and bred) I am just sad at what has become of my fabulous home city.
 
Yes nasty things go on behind closed doors towards horses on livery/competition yards but the stuff that goes on at appleby or at least went on last time i was there is in broad daylight out in public for all to see. If that sort of thing went on in a competition the person would be eliminated and sent home and possibly banned from that show ground yet at appleby no one is bothered by blatant brutality and cruelty.
 
Baggybreeches said:
Sorry I didn't answer that earlier (blame the rose!).

No. Drowning a horse is not acceptable, EVER! I do believe the guy in question was dealt with (officially and unofficially) but that is one specific incident amongst hundreds of horses. I personally think that the livery yard mafioso are far more neglectful in their abundant over-rugging/over-feeding/under-working and general ignorance of their horses. I can not honestly put my hand on my heart and say I have never done something I later regretted with my horses/ponies over the years, but that's called learning the very hard way.
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Good answer, what about the man trying to submerge his horses head under the water by standing on its neck? You have'nt answered that. I is in the video. Clearly it is not a one off situation as that is how the colt died in 2007.
 
justabob said:
Good answer, what about the man trying to submerge his horses head under the water by standing on its neck? You have'nt answered that. I is in the video. Clearly it is not a one off situation as that is how the colt died in 2007.
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I thought you were referring to the case were the horse drowned a couple of years ago, that's the answer I was giving? I repeat that it is not acceptable to do things like stand on a horse's neck to submerge them in water, but as we all know the are good and bad in every way of life involved with horses. I haven't seen the case you are talking about and to be honest, whatever I say won't change anything, but if you all feel so strongly about it, then stop whinging on an internet forum behind aliases, put your money where your mouth is, get off your arse, away from your computer and go and do something about it.

''All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing'' Edmund Burke

*Apologises now for being an illiterate, ignorant ***** who probably paid more PAYE tax than 50% of the posters on this thread, all while caring for her animals and meeting their 5 basic needs as defined by DEFRA*
 
Baggybreeches said:
I thought you were referring to the case were the horse drowned a couple of years ago, that's the answer I was giving? I repeat that it is not acceptable to do things like stand on a horse's neck to submerge them in water, but as we all know the are good and bad in every way of life involved with horses. I haven't seen the case you are talking about and to be honest, whatever I say won't change anything, but if you all feel so strongly about it, then stop whinging on an internet forum behind aliases, put your money where your mouth is, get off your arse, away from your computer and go and do something about it.

''All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing'' Edmund Burke

*Apologises now for being an illiterate, ignorant ***** who probably paid more PAYE tax than 50% of the posters on this thread, all while caring for her animals and meeting their 5 basic needs as defined by DEFRA*
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What do you suggest he/she does to stop it?
 
I cannot believe people are actually supportive of this event, just because there are some well looked after horses does not make up for the suffering and treatment of many others.
I buy and sell a bit so go to lots of sales so am used to seeing the not so nice side of things, I have to say I am not violent but going there gave me the urge to do some horrible things to several people.
The place is filthy and that includes loads of human excrement in certain places I mean you cannot let your dog crap anywhere in this country and not be fined if you do not pick up so why are we allowing grown adults to crap all over.

There were several fights we saw if you go up to where the caravans are there are cocks in cages all over the place wonder what they are being used for, we saw foals being ridden horses being kicked in the stomach punched in the face the rspca constantly having to warn people to stop racing the horses non stop on the flashing lane in boiling heat.
We saw a horse go over in a trap was down on its side and they started booting it in the side to get it up the list is endless, a vet with rspaca and police were going round having to break windows to pull out dogs that had been left in cars and vans they had pulled out more than one dead dog over the course of the day.
And every year there are injured and dead animals left at the site horses have been left alive with broken pelvis etc, if anyone can tell me of any equine event where this sort of behaviour goes on year after year I would love to know. It does not and would not be tolerated at any other kind of event so why in this day and age is it still allowed to continue.
 
Trinity Fox said:
there are injured and dead animals left at the site horses have been left alive with broken pelvis etc, if anyone can tell me of any equine event where this sort of behaviour goes on year after year I would love to know. It does not and would not be tolerated at any other kind of event so why in this day and age is it still allowed to continue.
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I believe you can find this EVERY DAY in Bridgend South Wales!!
That is not an excuse that is a fact!
 
Have to laugh at you I am afraid. I am 58 years old and have been in full employment all my life. I pay tax, unlike most of your chums on Fair Hill. You come across as a twit now.
 
Apologies BB I blame the Cab Sav for me being a bit rude to you! I just can't abide cruelty and I'm afraid there does seem to be a lot of that at Appleby. I feel so sorry for the people that live there and those poor horses that aren't looked after as they should be :(

I live near Wickham and hear about the horror stories that go on there and unfortunately it is the same 'type' of people. I have been abused and had stones thrown at me, and the horse I was riding, when hacking past a static gypsy camp in the area. I have also seen a poor youngster being abused by 3 'traveller' kids but couldn't do anything about it as I didn't want my car damaged. They were foul mouthed little *****s too.

Sadly I haven't met any nice members of this part of society so my views are rather negative.
 
You can see all this kind of behaviour on a smaller scale in many places I grant you but in most of these cases people are usually criticising and trying to stop it from happening.
And for some reason usually sensible sane minded horse people seem to be willing to overlook all this kind of behaviour for a day out I really do not get it.
 
justabob said:
Have to laugh at you I am afraid. I am 58 years old and have been in full employment all my life. I pay tax, unlike most of your chums on Fair Hill. You come across as a twit now.
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As have I, and I think you will find that MY pals on Fair Hill actually do pay tax, my sister has only just had a bankruptcy discharged recently which was brought about fighting a legal battle to save a SSI in which they lost at court and were faced with large legal bills.
DO NOT PATRONISE ME, I haven't been rude, aggressive or judgemental.
 
Trinity Fox said:
You can see all this kind of behaviour on a smaller scale in many places I grant you but in most of these cases people are usually criticising and trying to stop it from happening.
And for some reason usually sensible sane minded horse people seem to be willing to overlook all this kind of behaviour for a day out I really do not get it.
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Right, so showing producers 'slitting' ponies mouths with stanley knife blades to keep them behind the vertical isn't horrific enough? Not hearsay I might add have seen the aftermath with my own eyes! And that is just for starters!
 
Baggybreeches said:
As have I, and I think you will find that MY pals on Fair Hill actually do pay tax, my sister has only just had a bankruptcy discharged recently which was brought about fighting a legal battle to save a SSI in which they lost at court and were faced with large legal bills.
DO NOT PATRONISE ME, I haven't been rude, aggressive or judgemental.
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Information that is not relevant to this thread. I suggest you put the Rose down.
 
Baggybreeches said:
Right, so showing producers 'slitting' ponies mouths with stanley knife blades to keep them behind the vertical isn't horrific enough? Not hearsay I might add have seen the aftermath with my own eyes! And that is just for starters!
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So did you just watch and say nothing? What can someone on here do about a show pony with its mouth slit if we werent even there?
 
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